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[StrawHatMoose]

Oh no the weapon is making te games go faster and kill minor/common enemies quickly. Must have a nerf. No choice; must use weapon. No other weapons exist. Waaaaaaaaaah.

[molecularman]

The one thing wrong in this video is that you are using it on a krogan vanguard. No other class can really use it as well because range is a serious limitation for them unlike for krogans. You will probably score better using a claymore on anything that isn't a krogan. So the gun is pretty class and situation dependant even if it's a straight buff for kroguards.

Not to say it couldn't use a damage nerf

[RNG God]

 Alot of the balance problems seem to be damage caused VS ease of use. My solution? Make it harder to use. Add some upwards recoil and tighten the beam hitbox. Requiring precision and kick compensation would turn it into an enhanced hurricane for shields, fairly balanced IMO.

[DHKany]

Make it as heavy as the Javelin? lol this nerf idea is horrible because then the ONLY viable class you can use it on without having to worry about weight would be infiltrators, and god knows how many more of them we need.

[nicethugbert]

newman982 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Only 100.000? With a KV and Reegar? That's not a lot.

I was playing with very good players, everyone was using the Reegar. I also got instant killed so sat out a wave. And this not about the score if you actually listed to my argument. It is about point, don't aim, die.

You were 3 manning Gold and didn't score more than any skilled player could score with a BW or Valiant or Claymore. And even the time wasn't that fast. This gun doesn't require alot of practice to use, but you need skill to survive up close and not be killed or insta-killed. 

Straw man time!  You really beat the crap out of the fallacy you constructed to defuse, now try again and actually address the points he made.

People play the game for fun, not to show off their skills.  For many people the reeger is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.  Now, why should it bother you that someone is having fun?  What difference does it make to you if someone is running around using the reeger or otherwise behaving without skill?  It does not stop you from playing the way you want to play.  You are free to be as skillful as you please.  So, if the sight or thought of someone without skill bothers you, that is your imagination getting in your way, not the other player.  As a matter of fact, the reeger works to your advantage because now that unskilled player is not such a burden to you.  You can spend your time being skillful instead of reviving him all the time, or kicking people from lobbies.  You might meet some otherwise great people.  Being able to dominate this game is not a reliable test of character.

[lpconfig]

molecularman wrote...

The one thing wrong in this video is that you are using it on a krogan vanguard. No other class can really use it as well because range is a serious limitation for them unlike for krogans. You will probably score better using a claymore on anything that isn't a krogan. So the gun is pretty class and situation dependant even if it's a straight buff for kroguards.

Not to say it couldn't use a damage nerf

Yeah, batarian soldiers cant use it very well....
 And no, I cant gib 3 mooks with one clip from a claymore, unless they all stand in a perfect line.  Even then, im not sure you can.

[Killahead]

laurencium wrote...


Why not question motivation? Feel free to dispute any point I made, but just to say "let's not question motivation" is hardly reasonable.

 

Because good discussions tend to get personal, dumbed down and Abram smashed once motivations are questioned and because you couldn't possibly know what Stardusk's motivations are.

laurencium wrote... 
-The gun is 'OP', therefore my teammates have become stronger, thereby benefiting me since this is a co-op game.

You say this with the goal of credits and xp in my mind, but remember that the challenge and fun this game offers need to rely on something else than the prospect of unlocking new stuff and leveling up. If I play with three infiltrators using the Reegar, then I can assure you that I won't benefit from it if actually playing the game for the sake of playing the game rather than unlocking stuff is what makes the game fun for me. Which is the case.

Modifié par Killahead, 02 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[SinerAthin]

The weapon good, but not great.


Maybe you haven't noticed but its shorter range than a banshee's teleport.

Try using it against a Banshee...

*ZOOM*
*STAB*

Terrible range, terrible ammunition capacity, terrible clip capacy does more than well to compensate for the good damage it deals.

Most 'normal' players who don't know how the AI thinks also get killed while using it... a LOT.

[Tangster]

SinerAthin wrote...

The weapon good, but not great.


Maybe you haven't noticed but its shorter range than a banshee's teleport.

Try using it against a Banshee...

*ZOOM*
*STAB*

Terrible range, terrible ammunition capacity, terrible clip capacy does more than well to compensate for the good damage it deals.

Most 'normal' players who don't know how the AI thinks also get killed while using it... a LOT.

It's actually very effective vs Banshees(with an shredder/AP ammo). Does enough damage fast enough that if 2+ people focus fire, she gets staggered every time she tried to instakill a person.

[Someone With Mass]

tallinn wrote...

You obviously did not read what I said about this. Then, please, don't quote it.

Sorry, I usually ignore such melodrama for my own personal health.

I do find it funny that people are whining because of the lack of challenge and when there's one, (trying to outscore the guys with the Reegar) people are whining anyway.

People complained about the Krysae the same way. "Oh, it's overpowered when it's played with this specific class and buffers!"

Yeah, because having four different buffers on any weapon wouldn't make them overpowered at all.

Also, I have seen plenty of people just ignore the Reegar, because it simply doesn't fit their taste and I feel the same way. If I don't like something, I'm not going to subject myself to it, regardless of how powerful it is. That's why I'm not using the geth plasma shotgun or the Widow. Because I think they're boring to use. I know, however, that there are other people who just loves to use those things. Do I have a problem with that? Not really. Minor annoyance at worst.

I'm not going to cry about a nerf simply because I think a gun is boring to use.

[TeamLexana]

Stardusk wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Proposal? Besides killing the Batman.

I already stated in the video.

Make it AT LEAST as heavy as the Javelin and make shredder and AP ammo unusable on  it.

Uh... how bout no?  All that would do is make it only viable on infiltrators like the geth. As is, its FUN to use on the Krogan Battlemaster. I have a blast using it and I won't apologize for it.

As for the video, I have yet to see a group of randoms ever play that well together on even bronze on the xbox much less gold or silver. Maybe that's your problem, you're bored with the game now that you and your freinds have mastered it.

[SinerAthin]

Tangster wrote...

It's actually very effective vs Banshees(with an shredder/AP ammo). Does enough damage fast enough that if 2+ people focus fire, she gets staggered every time she tried to instakill a person.

Yeah, that requires that you have 3 people using the same weapon and standing close to each other. Unlikely in a PUG, even on Gold.

(brutes, banshees, marauders and ravagers descending on your position at the same time are also likely to make it harder to focus fire the banshee)

It's actually easier to go with a biotic bomb squad.


Its short range actually kills more people as well, because to be effective, it forces you out of cover, or makes you wait for the enemy, either situations being a lot harder than just sitting back in cover and popping heads with a sniper rifle.

It's what I call a high risk, high reward weapon.

It's powerful, but the chances of failure are also high (higher than a safe weapon such as the Claymore or a Sniper Rifle)

Modifié par SinerAthin, 02 juin 2012 - 10:57 .

[nicethugbert]

newman982 wrote...

laurencium wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The Disciple occupies the other end of the broken spectrum. It is brokenly horrible. Why would you use it?

Because guns like Graal and Claymore are OP. Too many things get one-shotted. You only have to aim once, very little skill required. With the Disciple, you have to headshot many times just to kill a mob. Its damage also drops tremendously at long range. Takes real skills to use this gun. Graal and Claymore, not so much. Just like the GPS, for newbies only. Oh yea, and it doesn't take a lot of skills to use Graal and Claymore.

Many straw men have breathed their last in this thread.

You really should stop calling every disagreement a straw man.  The fact is that Graal and Claymore are a lot easier to use than Disciple.  Why should Graal and Claymore be the standard and not Disciple?

[lpconfig]

I didnt realize that you took more damage when you are closer to an enemy. Oh wait, you dont..... unless you get grabbed / stabbed.

[Hackett out]

Stardusk wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

You should really stick to making guides for people who don't know how to play the game, and quit crying for nerfs all the damn time.

Did you watch the video? I say I don't call for the nerf. Good job listening (which I am sure you did not).

You (and your friends) took the time to make a video just for the sake of saying that the gun is broke, then you say that you dont want it nerfed and make a thread advertising that fact.

I don't think England has a word for how backward you are, my god.

[GroverA125]

I could write a long, time-consuming post on the matter... Or I could just say "Hush, little Stardusk" and tell you to deal with it.

You honestly think we need an entire gold match as evidence that it is more powerful than it's alternatives? You could probably find out how OP it is from a 10 second video.

Personally, I'd prefer them to actually just up the power of all other weapons to that of the newly released ones. Then we will see escalation, which I find to be a lot more fun. Look at Trading card games. Something that was awesome and rare 2 years ago is now common and beaten by the newer released things. Makes it more fun.

Modifié par GroverA125, 02 juin 2012 - 11:00 .

[molecularman]

Have fun time running around the map for kills, newman. The time it takes to get to your target often cancels most of the increased power. That's why I said it's situational and thus not quite as bad as some of you make it to be

[Aifell_Ellion]

Now, whe the rebellion pack is out, bioware has to change smthn in ME2:
"Now, it is all Joker's fault, what a tool he was! I have to spent my whole day, whiping out nemesis and atlases with that stupid reegar! because he plugged in the overlord!"

Modifié par Aifell_Ellion, 02 juin 2012 - 11:01 .

[tallinn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

tallinn wrote...

You obviously did not read what I said about this. Then, please, don't quote it.

Sorry, I usually ignore such melodrama for my own personal health.

Sure, ignorance has its merits. But participating in a discussion while ignoring the statements of others? Seems pointless to me.

[GGW KillerTiger]

 It isn't broken because the distance it can hit the enemies is hit or miss. Sometimes I can hit enemies up to 5m away other times I have to be giving the enemy a reach around to hurt them the slightist with a full clip ..... So it is broken but not over powered broken just regular broken.

[lpconfig]

nicethugbert wrote...

newman982 wrote...

laurencium wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The Disciple occupies the other end of the broken spectrum. It is brokenly horrible. Why would you use it?

Because guns like Graal and Claymore are OP. Too many things get one-shotted. You only have to aim once, very little skill required. With the Disciple, you have to headshot many times just to kill a mob. Its damage also drops tremendously at long range. Takes real skills to use this gun. Graal and Claymore, not so much. Just like the GPS, for newbies only. Oh yea, and it doesn't take a lot of skills to use Graal and Claymore.

Many straw men have breathed their last in this thread.

You really should stop calling every disagreement a straw man.  The fact is that Graal and Claymore are a lot easier to use than Disciple.  Why should Graal and Claymore be the standard and not Disciple?

I would like to use a different label for some of their divergent opinions, but straw man was the most accurate way to describe them.  (A straw man is when you take the other person's argument, introduce a weakness that was not present (fallacy), and attack their argument using the weakness that you injected.

[Aifell_Ellion]

Yea, as well as you do, newman.

Modifié par Aifell_Ellion, 02 juin 2012 - 11:03 .

[nicethugbert]

Killahead wrote...

laurencium wrote...


Why not question motivation? Feel free to dispute any point I made, but just to say "let's not question motivation" is hardly reasonable.

 

Because good discussions tend to get personal, dumbed down and Abram smashed once motivations are questioned and because you couldn't possibly know what Stardusk's motivations are.

laurencium wrote... 
-The gun is 'OP', therefore my teammates have become stronger, thereby benefiting me since this is a co-op game.

You say this with the goal of credits and xp in my mind, but remember that the challenge and fun this game offers need to rely on something else than the prospect of unlocking new stuff and leveling up. If I play with three infiltrators using the Reegar, then I can assure you that I won't benefit from it if actually playing the game for the sake of playing the game rather than unlocking stuff is what makes the game fun for me. Which is the case.

Playing the game for credits and unlocks is just as valid as not playing it for credits and unlocks.  Who are you to monopolise the entire game for the likes of yourself?  You can play with people of like mind or host your own game.