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[Gwinever]

i tried the reegar on a human sentinel and it's absolutely nut's
it melts anything in mere seconds or makes it unable to move as long as your spraying it at the target (except for the atlas) target's unable to move include hunters, primes, phantoms, brutes (unless they charge) and banshees
pyro's usually don't even come close enough to begin with.

edit:
the thing is even light enough to keep spamming powers for long range 190% CD bonus with max capacity upgrades for evo 4 and evo 6

Modifié par Gwinever, 02 juin 2012 - 11:05 .

[-Morbid-]

I think you can actually learn something and improve while using it. I think it can teach someone a bit about closing in on enemies and falling back (assuming the gun is at a low enough level and they aren't using any amps/ammo so that everything doesn't just melt before them).

Modifié par -Morbid-, 02 juin 2012 - 11:05 .

[Nissun]

What I don't understand is why are people comparing it to the Claymore.

With the Claymore not only you have to get close to the objective: you also have to aim it. Try killing a Nemesis with it while she's running around from cover to cover, she dodges crazily fast. Either you get close with tactical cloak, or wait till she stops and have really good aim.

Now try doing the same with the Reegar. No need to aim, she'll just die!

Also, get into a group of three geth hunters or pyros with the Claymore. NEWSFLASH: you can only shoot once, reload, and then shoot again. You can't cripple the three of them with a single shot, which is what the Reegar does.

That weapon is nothing like a Claymore. I'm glad that such an awesome character got a good weapon named after him, but this is just ridiculous.

Modifié par Nissun, 02 juin 2012 - 11:05 .

[llandwynwyn]

That's why I refuse to use it. I'm not one to call for a nerf but...nerf that thing.

[Someone With Mass]

tallinn wrote...

Sure, ignorance has its merits. But participating in a discussion while ignoring the statements of others? Seems pointless to me.

Ironic.

[laurencium]

Hackett out wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Did you watch the video? I say I don't call for the nerf. Good job listening (which I am sure you did not).

You (and your friends) took the time to make a video just for the sake of saying that the gun is broke, then you say that you dont want it nerfed and make a thread advertising that fact.

I don't think England has a word for how backward you are, my god.

Not calling for a nerf:

Stardusk wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Proposal? Besides killing the Batman.

I already stated in the video.

Make it AT LEAST as heavy as the Javelin and make shredder and AP ammo unusable on  it.

 

Modifié par laurencium, 02 juin 2012 - 11:09 .

[nicethugbert]

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

newman982 wrote...

laurencium wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The Disciple occupies the other end of the broken spectrum. It is brokenly horrible. Why would you use it?

Because guns like Graal and Claymore are OP. Too many things get one-shotted. You only have to aim once, very little skill required. With the Disciple, you have to headshot many times just to kill a mob. Its damage also drops tremendously at long range. Takes real skills to use this gun. Graal and Claymore, not so much. Just like the GPS, for newbies only. Oh yea, and it doesn't take a lot of skills to use Graal and Claymore.

Many straw men have breathed their last in this thread.

You really should stop calling every disagreement a straw man.  The fact is that Graal and Claymore are a lot easier to use than Disciple.  Why should Graal and Claymore be the standard and not Disciple?

I would like to use a different label for some of their divergent opinions, but straw man was the most accurate way to describe them.  (A straw man is when you take the other person's argument, introduce a weakness that was not present (fallacy), and attack their argument using the weakness that you injected.

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 02 juin 2012 - 11:13 .

[TimonPumba]

Hackett out wrote...

I don't think England has a word for how backward you are, my god.

Why do you insult him just because he wants a broken weapon to be fixed? Think about it.

And lol at anyone who claims he does that because he wants attention. Really?

It's the same thing with smudboy. A lot people disagree with him and claim he hates the Mass Effect franchise when in fact he loves it and thats the reason he makes his analysis.

Stardusk wants the game to be fun. He wants you to have fun. But it's not fun if everyone uses this weapon and the game loses its challange.
If you want that, play bronze.

[Aifell_Ellion]

nicethugbert wrote...

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

newman982 wrote...

laurencium wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The Disciple occupies the other end of the broken spectrum. It is brokenly horrible. Why would you use it?

Because guns like Graal and Claymore are OP. Too many things get one-shotted. You only have to aim once, very little skill required. With the Disciple, you have to headshot many times just to kill a mob. Its damage also drops tremendously at long range. Takes real skills to use this gun. Graal and Claymore, not so much. Just like the GPS, for newbies only. Oh yea, and it doesn't take a lot of skills to use Graal and Claymore.

Many straw men have breathed their last in this thread.

You really should stop calling every disagreement a straw man.  The fact is that Graal and Claymore are a lot easier to use than Disciple.  Why should Graal and Claymore be the standard and not Disciple?

I would like to use a different label for some of their divergent opinions, but straw man was the most accurate way to describe them.  (A straw man is when you take the other person's argument, introduce a weakness that was not present (fallacy), and attack their argument using the weakness that you injected.

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymour nerfed.

But they dont, because it's their favorite weapons. So they should be OP, because its STARDUSK AND FRIENDS FAVOURITE WEAPONS!! NERF ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE CLAYMORE AND GRAAL, SO THEY CAN FA{}P ON ME3MP!!!

[GroverA125]

Nissun wrote...

What I don't understand is why are people comparing it to the Claymore.

With the Claymore not only you have to get close to the objective: you also have to aim it. Try killing a Nemesis with it while she's running around from cover to cover, she dodges crazily fast. Either you get close with tactical cloak, or wait till she stops and have really good aim.

Now try doing the same with the Reegar. No need to aim, she'll just die!

Also, get into a group of three geth hunters or pyros with the Claymore. NEWSFLASH: you can only shoot once, reload, and then shoot again. You can't cripple the three of them with a single shot, which is what the Reegar does.

That weapon is nothing like a Claymore. I'm glad that such an awesome character got a good weapon named after him, but this is just ridiculous.

You don't need to get close. I have seen people (and managed myself) using a claymore fire from one side of the central area of FB Reactor and take out turrets, phantoms and even atlas mechs in the opening on the other side of it. The effective range is damn near 3x that of a Reegar if you know what you're doing and have it appriopriately modded. For the record, that's about the effective range of a Mattock.

[DSRoy]

There's a fix for both Reegar and Claymore: fix the reload cancel exploit.

[Aifell_Ellion]

TimonPumba wrote...

Hackett out wrote...

I don't think England has a word for how backward you are, my god.

Why do you insult him just because he wants a broken weapon to be fixed? Think about it.

And lol at anyone who claims he does that because he wants attention. Really?

It's the same thing with smudboy. A lot people disagree with him and claim he hates the Mass Effect franchise when in fact he loves it and thats the reason he makes his analysis.

Stardusk wants the game to be fun. He wants you to have fun. But it's not fun if everyone uses this weapon and the game loses its challange.
If you want that, play bronze.

If you cant play for fun on gold, yea, play on bronze. So, it turns out, that thoose, who want reegar nerfed should play bronze, doesnt it?

[nicethugbert]

TimonPumba wrote...
Stardusk wants the game to be fun. He wants you to have fun. But it's not fun if everyone uses this weapon and the game loses its challange.
If you want that, play bronze.

But you are missing the fact that people are having fun with reeger just the way it is.  The people who are not having fun with it can not use it.

If it bothers you to see someone else use it then you can't say you want people to have fun.  You just don't want them to ruin your fun.

[Candidate 88766]

By broken, do you mean overpowered or that it is game-breakingly glitchy?

Edit: just watched the vid. Wow.

It looks fun to use, mowing down enemies even on gold, so to compensate the weight ought to be massively ramped up and it shouldn't use ammo mods (its a beam of electricity, not conventional ammo).

Not sure I want to see it nerfed just yet because I want to unlock it and try it out for myself before they do.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 02 juin 2012 - 11:20 .

[Morrowcet]

Nissun wrote...

What I don't understand is why are people comparing it to the Claymore.

With the Claymore not only you have to get close to the objective: you also have to aim it. Try killing a Nemesis with it while she's running around from cover to cover, she dodges crazily fast. Either you get close with tactical cloak, or wait till she stops and have really good aim.

Now try doing the same with the Reegar. No need to aim, she'll just die!

Also, get into a group of three geth hunters or pyros with the Claymore. NEWSFLASH: you can only shoot once, reload, and then shoot again. You can't cripple the three of them with a single shot, which is what the Reegar does.

That weapon is nothing like a Claymore. I'm glad that such an awesome character got a good weapon named after him, but this is just ridiculous.

The Reegar's ammo goes fast. Unless you exhibit serious trigger discipline (which a lot of people don't do), it's easy to empty the entire clip on one or two standard enemies. That, the pitiful amount of ammo it starts with, the low range and the movement speed malus when firing are why I always use it with the extra clips weapon mod, as a Batarian Soldier with points in Enforcer to make the most of the gun's strengths.

Hey, I just listed off all the disadvantages of the gun and how to offset them with the right class and gear! Which is, haha, what people do with just about every gun! Ha!

[L. Han]

It looks equal to biotic explosion spam honestly.

[lpconfig]

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

[huntrrz]

<sigh> It is not broken. It does EXACTLY what it was designed to do - entice people into paying CASH for packs so they can get one.

"I'm surprised I have to explain this" - Joe Bob Briggs

[Nissun]

GroverA125 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

What I don't understand is why are people comparing it to the Claymore.

With the Claymore not only you have to get close to the objective: you also have to aim it. Try killing a Nemesis with it while she's running around from cover to cover, she dodges crazily fast. Either you get close with tactical cloak, or wait till she stops and have really good aim.

Now try doing the same with the Reegar. No need to aim, she'll just die!

Also, get into a group of three geth hunters or pyros with the Claymore. NEWSFLASH: you can only shoot once, reload, and then shoot again. You can't cripple the three of them with a single shot, which is what the Reegar does.

That weapon is nothing like a Claymore. I'm glad that such an awesome character got a good weapon named after him, but this is just ridiculous.

You don't need to get close. I have seen people (and managed myself) using a claymore fire from one side of the central area of FB Reactor and take out turrets, phantoms and even atlas mechs in the opening on the other side of it. The effective range is damn near 3x that of a Reegar if you know what you're doing and have it appriopriately modded. For the record, that's about the effective range of a Mattock.

Even if you can fire it at that range, you do a lot less damage. It's not like you can oneshot enemies at that distance. It's much less effective, but yeah, it can help you get rid of one stray turret without having to expose yourself to it.

But if you think you can snipe with it just because of that, you're in for an unpleasant surprise! 

[kmmd60]

newman982 wrote...

molecularman wrote...

The one thing wrong in this video is that you are using it on a krogan vanguard. No other class can really use it as well because range is a serious limitation for them unlike for krogans. You will probably score better using a claymore on anything that isn't a krogan. So the gun is pretty class and situation dependant even if it's a straight buff for kroguards.

Not to say it couldn't use a damage nerf

Yeah, batarian soldiers cant use it very well....
 And no, I cant gib 3 mooks with one clip from a claymore, unless they all stand in a perfect line.  Even then, im not sure you can.

Vorchas can use the gun very effectively. Health regen from bloodlust allow them to close the gap and finish the job. Seriously all Vanguards are godly with this gun. Batarians got no power to close the gap without dying, they're not suitable for Reegar CQC range.

However, Reegar is Broken. Its ease of use is simply idiotic. Point and shoot, things melt - no aiming, no skill required, NO CHALLENGE.

Gameplay without a challenge is ..... boring. It kills the game pretty fast.

I do love MP and want to see it blossom into something more. Reegar makes the game too easy, even on Gold. When things got boring, players abondon it to find something else to play. Thus the game's life is cut shorter.

Don't want that to happen.

[lpconfig]

Aifell_Ellion wrote...

But they dont, because it's their favorite weapons. So they should be OP, because its STARDUSK AND FRIENDS FAVOURITE WEAPONS!! NERF ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE CLAYMORE AND GRAAL, SO THEY CAN FA{}P ON ME3MP!!!

Actually, I like the wraith, talon, and saber, and am starting to like the harrier too.

[Aifell_Ellion]

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

If you dont want it nerfed, than for god's sake what is this thread for? Just to cry out? To whine about it? For what?

[Frost Spectre]

nicethugbert wrote...
But you are missing the fact that people are having fun with reeger just the way it is.  The people who are not having fun with it can not use it.

If it bothers you to see someone else use it then you can't say you want people to have fun.  You just don't want them to ruin your fun.

I'm not having fun with it and I can use it... Odd.

Tho I have more fun when there's a good team. Even if the whole team just uses uses only Common rarity lvl X weapons.

It's not fun when you trust someone to have your back, just to get killed because that fellow had weapon that can melt things faster than using Cobra missiles, but that fellow has to storm away without a word...