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[Aifell_Ellion]

newman982 wrote...

Aifell_Ellion wrote...

But they dont, because it's their favorite weapons. So they should be OP, because its STARDUSK AND FRIENDS FAVOURITE WEAPONS!! NERF ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE CLAYMORE AND GRAAL, SO THEY CAN FA{}P ON ME3MP!!!

Actually, I like the wraith, talon, and saber, and am starting to like the harrier too.

Sure you do, everyone loves ultra-rare weapons.

[Morrowcet]

newman982 wrote...
He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

Actually, it is, and I don't think you would be sorry to see it happen to the Reegar. That "Over-" part in "overpowered"? It means 'excessive' or 'too much'. And the logical step from that is to reduce that power. Especially when there's an overreaction from people who believe that a certain weapon is overpowered.

But I'm not suggesting you should cut back, calm down and stop trying to run yet another weapon into the ground by whinging loud enough, oh no.  Saying that you're overreacting is not the same as saying you should shut up.:innocent:

Modifié par Morrowcet, 02 juin 2012 - 11:24 .

[Shepard Wins]

Meh, before I'll have it on level X it's gonna take ages since I DON'T play 24/7 like some people apparently do (The DLC came out like what, 4 days ago, and you have Reegar at X already?). I don't even have any of DLC items or characters yet. And on level I it probably isn't that much overpowered.

[horangi88]

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

[Nissun]

Air Quotes wrote...

With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That weapon sure sounds fun!

But what about the Claymore?

PS: You have to get close to the Ravager if you want to kill it. Maybe not step into its personal space, but then again, you can't oneshot it from the other side of the map.

[Someone With Mass]

A turian Soldier with Marksman at 6, a Tempest with increased ammo capacity, the stabilizer evolutions and the appropriate damage boosting and armor negating equipment can produce almost the same result. Without having to go to the ammo box all the time.

Does this make the Tempest overpowered? No, not really.

[lpconfig]

Aifell_Ellion wrote...

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

If you dont want it nerfed, than for god's sake what is this thread for? Just to cry out? To whine about it? For what?

The point of the thread is to likely demonstrate that a weapon is imba.  If  you wish to interpret "is imba" as "ZOMG NERF NOW", than that is entirely up to you.

[Nissun]

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

[Gwinever]

Air Quotes wrote...

If you make the Reegar heavier - only Infiltrators will use it. If you nerf it's damage - no one will use it.

soldiers could use it

as it stands now it gives you a wooping 190% CD on a Human Sentinel speced for it wich is redicoulus for the dmg it does, especially to armour

think it will be a fine shotgun if they adjusted the weight accordingly to the other shotguns or remove the abilty to be affected by armour penetration

[laurencium]

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

Incorrect. In all measures of DPS, the order is in fact

Claymore > Reegar > Disciple.

Check Grimy's Weapon Sheet.



Also, anyone who still says Stardusk isn't calling for a nerf:

Stardusk wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Proposal? Besides killing the Batman.

I already stated in the video.

Make it AT LEAST as heavy as the Javelin and make shredder and AP ammo unusable on  it.

 

Although his actions clearly speaks even louder than these words.

[Morrowcet]

newman982 wrote...
The point of the thread is to likely demonstrate that a weapon is imba.  If  you wish to interpret "is imba" as "ZOMG NERF NOW", than that is entirely up to you.

It's supposedly 'imbalanced' to the effect of being 'too powerful' (which is bunko, as so many people have pointed out). On paper, the only reasonable solution to that imbalance is to make it less poweful. Or make all of the other guns more powerful, a solution which hasn't exactly been made the stronger in this thread.

In practice, it means that if anyone listens to you or any of the other rubbish suggestions (make it weigh as much as a javelin1!!!), the gun is going to be rendered functionally useless (i.e. nerfed) so we can all go back to using nothing but Claymores. Which I highly doubt we'll hear any complaining about from your camp.

Modifié par Morrowcet, 02 juin 2012 - 11:34 .

[Aifell_Ellion]

Shepard Wins wrote...

Meh, before I'll have it on level X it's gonna take ages since I DON'T play 24/7 like some people apparently do (The DLC came out like what, 4 days ago, and you have Reegar at X already?). I don't even have any of DLC items or characters yet. And on level I it probably isn't that much overpowered.

Yea, i suggest that the unlocks system should be eased significantly. So you would be able to get a rare weapon, char and item for full ext. on silver, and ultra-rare weapon for at least 3 succesful matches on gold. it would still take approximately 300 gold matches to unlock ultra-rares, but its better than 1000 like it is right now.

[Shepard Wins]

Oh and one more thing - you think the gun is OP and don't like it due to that - don't use it.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 02 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[nicethugbert]

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

Power gap is irrelevant.  The fact remains that Disciple requires more skill therefore if maximal skill is your concern then Disciple is preferable over Graal and Claymore.  If unprefered weapons must be nerfed then so must Graal and Claymore.

[horangi88]

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

But the same kill hogging can happen with a sniper, claymore, BE, Nade Spam etc. I don't see you point. 

[Aifell_Ellion]

newman982 wrote...

Aifell_Ellion wrote...

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

If you dont want it nerfed, than for god's sake what is this thread for? Just to cry out? To whine about it? For what?

The point of the thread is to likely demonstrate that a weapon is imba.  If  you wish to interpret "is imba" as "ZOMG NERF NOW", than that is entirely up to you.

demonstrate? for what? to cry about it? everyone know it allready, and those who dont will find out by themselves sooner or later. there's just no point in this this demonstration, isnt that obvious? so the first idea that comes to me about reason of this thread, is about to cry out loud about it, and be mentioned. couldnt see any other sense in it.

Modifié par Aifell_Ellion, 02 juin 2012 - 11:36 .

[lpconfig]

Morrowcet wrote...

It's supposedly 'imbalanced' to the effect of being 'too powerful' (which is bunko, as so many people have pointed out). On paper, the only reasonable solution to that imbalance is to make it less poweful.

You are the one suggesting that some kind of corrective action should be taken for a state of imbalance.  I personally dont think so, as I realize that this is a  PVE game.  You mention a "reasonable solution" whereas I do not think a solution is required at all.

Modifié par newman982, 02 juin 2012 - 11:35 .

[Kronner]

nicethugbert wrote...

The fact remains that Disciple requires more skill therefore if maximal skill is your concern then Disciple is preferable over Graal and Claymore.  If unprefered weapons must be nerfed then so must Graal and Claymore.

No. Actually Disciple has the largest clip, each miss is not as costly as a Graal missed shot, not to mention single shot Claymore. Graal and Claymore are higher risk, higher reward, because if you can aim well, you will kill faster. If you miss, you are penalized more severely.

Disciple is also much lighter than both Graal and Claymore, which implies that you want to mainly use powers to kill if you are rolling with the Disciple.

Anyway, I have no issue with Reegar. I do not enjoy that, so I am not using it. Simple as that for me. 

Modifié par Kronner, 02 juin 2012 - 11:36 .

[laurencium]

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

So you don't like other people killing things faster than you, I see.

1.) This game is co-op.
2.) You are not forced to play with Reegar users.

[Shepard Wins]

This is awesome! :

Reegar Mass Effect Ghostbusters

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 02 juin 2012 - 11:35 .

[TimonPumba]

Air Quotes wrote...


With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That's not true. The Claymore is good, but not that good. If you find me a video to proof your statement I'll apologize, but the Claymore I is not capable of one shooting a Ravager. Even my Claymore V can't do this.

[Gwinever]

horangi88 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

But the same kill hogging can happen with a sniper, claymore, BE, Nade Spam etc. I don't see you point.

except most of those take time and a bit of luck (except nades but you gotta refill those) reegar has a quick reload and can kill 3 mooks with 1 clip in 1.5 seconds

Modifié par Gwinever, 02 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[SlimJim0725]

There are many players that can not survive close encounters or manage to kill 3-4 low tier enemies the way some of the "skilled" players do, simple as that. Some are not great at aiming, some don't know when to retreat to recover. Also saying the Claymore is not OP, but this is? Maybe you didn't see the 12:11 speed run that I did, but I saw 3 Claymore users, not Reegar.

Quit worrying about "making it fun for everyone", because you honestly are not. If you don't want to ise it or play with people that do, stick to private matches with friends. If I feel I want to have fun goofing off melting stuff let me. I know for a fact I am not good enough to face every enemy with this weapon and not die constantly (learned that against Geth on Condor).

[Shepard Wins]

TimonPumba wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...


With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That's not true. The Claymore is good, but not that good. If you find me a video to proof your statement I'll apologize, but the Claymore I is not capable of one shooting a Ravager. Even my Claymore V can't do this.

My Claymore is at IV and it's definitely possible to 1-shot a Ravager with it. I have been using SI though, so that's probably due to the Cloak bonus.

Ravagers also seem to take more damage if they are shot from the side.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 02 juin 2012 - 11:40 .