I heard I can be the king-consort by persuading anora to marry me but when I try to talk to her she tells me I can be the prince-consort I said I would rather be the king and she didn't accept it.How am I going to be the king-consort at Landsmeet?
How can I be the king-consort?
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yaselvuz
, juin 02 2012 08:37
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Posté 02 juin 2012 - 08:45
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I'm pretty sure you're stuck at Prince-Consort. So, it's like being the King-Consort, but the Warden doesn't quite reach that level of power.
Edit- I just checked my second HN's story page, and would like to retract that. I think the two titles are interchangable. Either that, or Bioware just got lazy with the Codex page, which is always a possibility.
Edit- I just checked my second HN's story page, and would like to retract that. I think the two titles are interchangable. Either that, or Bioware just got lazy with the Codex page, which is always a possibility.
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Posté 02 juin 2012 - 10:33
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I read the wiki page and it said queen anora announces that the warden is the king-consort at the landsmeet twice.I'm concerned about her acknowledging my warden as a prince-consort.
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Posté 02 juin 2012 - 12:44
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She calls you prince when you propose to her, king-consort when she announces the marriage at the Landsmeet (which is also what the codex says), king at her coronation and then the epilogue is back to prince-consort. She also says "And that is why you are a prince of Ferelden." in Awakening.
So yeah, the game can't quite decide what you actually are.
So yeah, the game can't quite decide what you actually are.
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Posté 03 juin 2012 - 08:29
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If my knowledge of royal titles is correct, king-consort and prince-consort are technically the same thing, just different wording. For whatever reason, a lot of noble titles can have multiple wordings even though they amount to the same position.
In the case of the male Warden, his position is the same regardless of the title: a man who gained his royal position through marriage to the (future) reigning queen instead of his own inheritence or merit. Since the Landsmeet will only elect Anora (or Alistair) and the Warden can only become a royal by marrying her (or him), the "consort" title is accurate, though the word prince or king really is interchangable. (It's too bad the game really does use them interchangably to confuse the audience, but whatever.)
Interestingly, the game also flip-flops back and forth between queen-consort and princess-consort when they marry Alistair too, but people don't seem to find as much offense with that.
In the case of the male Warden, his position is the same regardless of the title: a man who gained his royal position through marriage to the (future) reigning queen instead of his own inheritence or merit. Since the Landsmeet will only elect Anora (or Alistair) and the Warden can only become a royal by marrying her (or him), the "consort" title is accurate, though the word prince or king really is interchangable. (It's too bad the game really does use them interchangably to confuse the audience, but whatever.)
Interestingly, the game also flip-flops back and forth between queen-consort and princess-consort when they marry Alistair too, but people don't seem to find as much offense with that.
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Posté 04 juin 2012 - 12:36
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IMO it's not a matter of the game not being able to decide what you are, but Anora promising you one thing then getting concerned about the political power your Warden will have. Prince-consort makes you politically weaker compared to her, and it fits with the epilogue slides of people wondering if your Warden and Anora will clash over the matter.
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Posté 04 juin 2012 - 01:39
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But her going back on her word after publicly announcing you as King-Consort (and even King at her coronation!) seems like something that would be bad PR. Especially since she says you'd make good Prince when you negotiate the marriage, so there's no reason for her to change it to King-Consort in the first place.
I always took the epilogue as being deliberately vague so you can imagine what you want, depending on your warden's personality. My two guys who married her certainly wouldn't fight with her (especially Shea -- worst she has to worry about is not getting any sleep because he's having nightmares again).
Though, even if interchangeable (admittedly, I'm no expert on these things), King-Consort seems like the more advantageous title, if only because people would shorten it to King instead of Prince, which seems like it could end up being useful...
I always took the epilogue as being deliberately vague so you can imagine what you want, depending on your warden's personality. My two guys who married her certainly wouldn't fight with her (especially Shea -- worst she has to worry about is not getting any sleep because he's having nightmares again).
Though, even if interchangeable (admittedly, I'm no expert on these things), King-Consort seems like the more advantageous title, if only because people would shorten it to King instead of Prince, which seems like it could end up being useful...
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Posté 04 juin 2012 - 02:03
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I doubt Anora cares about bad PR as much as she does being usurped. Your Warden's a war hero by the end of the Blight, and she already lost power to Loghain in the past because he was a war hero -- and he wasn't even royalty! She's always been in the shadows of men. Can't blame her for wanting to be recognised, even if it means going back on her word.
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Posté 04 juin 2012 - 02:57
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The Bannorn could always start another civil war/use the Landsmeet to get rid of her if they believe she's unfit to rule though, so good PR would be useful.
But the thing that actually bothers me there is that the agreement isn't to become a King-Consort, but to become Prince-Consort, I'm pretty sure of that. She therefore has no reason to announce you as anything else and the Warden can't complain, he agreed to Prince-Consort himself, after all. The only thing she ends up doing is making herself look bad and possibly making that war hero she could reasonably be worried about angry because he might decide she's trying to cheat him out of what she promised to him.
And it's especially weird that she'd give you a *teyrnir* considering she's worried about your influence -- she could make you a minor Bann, or even an Arl (be it of Denerim or Amaranthine), but instead she makes you teyrn. When your brother is already one, giving the Couslands control of both teyrnirs. But then again, she also praises the Wardens and gives them Amaranthine for no good reason I can think of (certainly, my characters didn't ask her to -- if the game would let you freak out when she announces what'll happen to Amaranthine, my Wardens would. And they certainly weren't happy with her battle speech mentioning the Wardens so much. We're Fereldans, damn it!)
But the thing that actually bothers me there is that the agreement isn't to become a King-Consort, but to become Prince-Consort, I'm pretty sure of that. She therefore has no reason to announce you as anything else and the Warden can't complain, he agreed to Prince-Consort himself, after all. The only thing she ends up doing is making herself look bad and possibly making that war hero she could reasonably be worried about angry because he might decide she's trying to cheat him out of what she promised to him.
And it's especially weird that she'd give you a *teyrnir* considering she's worried about your influence -- she could make you a minor Bann, or even an Arl (be it of Denerim or Amaranthine), but instead she makes you teyrn. When your brother is already one, giving the Couslands control of both teyrnirs. But then again, she also praises the Wardens and gives them Amaranthine for no good reason I can think of (certainly, my characters didn't ask her to -- if the game would let you freak out when she announces what'll happen to Amaranthine, my Wardens would. And they certainly weren't happy with her battle speech mentioning the Wardens so much. We're Fereldans, damn it!)
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Posté 04 juin 2012 - 05:42
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I doubt they would, since Anora has been established as an experienced, competent and popular ruler. The nobles may grumble over someone of common blood ruling over them, but ultimately most of them like her or respect her enough not to do anything. Anyway, it took the Bannorn over a year to officially get together to depose Loghain despite all the travesties they knew he committed for months, so I doubt Anora could or would screw up badly enough to make them want to officially vote her off the throne.
Again, king-consort and prince-consort are the same thing. They both connotate the same position, just different wording. Though I'll admit one word sounds more impressive than the other, which is probably why Anora wants him to go by the latter. (For reasons Shadow of the Light has mentioned.)
I still don't think it makes quite as much sense for her to use the terms so interchangably between her husband and her people, but then I didn't write the game.
Again, king-consort and prince-consort are the same thing. They both connotate the same position, just different wording. Though I'll admit one word sounds more impressive than the other, which is probably why Anora wants him to go by the latter. (For reasons Shadow of the Light has mentioned.)
I still don't think it makes quite as much sense for her to use the terms so interchangably between her husband and her people, but then I didn't write the game.
