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[frylock23]

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

But we can't disregard the words of a billion of years old super-intelligence simply because we haven't seen it happen. It obviously is more knowledgeable than us.

Actually, we can, since he has ALWAYS prevented the actual execution of a singularity before it's come to fruition, with every piece of evidence either disproving his argument, or playing down his argument to a non-issue. He literally has NOTHING to support his case other than his word. Never mind that a singularity is much more likely to be beneficial rather than a negative, but whatever. Bioware must really clamor for the unnecessarily fatalistic mindset when constructing their stories.

This is a non argument. A nuclear war hasn't happened yet, nonetheless it's a good idea to do everything to prevent one from happening. That it hasn't happened yet is no argument.

The singularity is a premise. You can't argue with a premise. If a billion-year-old super-intelligent AI tells you that it will likely happen - well, it *may* be wrong, but you'd be well advised to think hard and long before rejecting it. Because the least it means, given the presentation, is that is this fictional universe, it has some validity. The only reason to reject it would be if it was internally inconsistent. But it isn't.

Besides, I already outlined scenario where a singularity had been contained and resulted in the destruction of both sides, in an answer to you of all things, which you conveniently ignore:

So, if we were to prevent nuclear war the same way that Star Brat prevents the sigularity, we would have killed every citizen of every nation ever to develop nuclear capability.

Is that an acceptable prevention of nuclear war by any means necessary to you?

These are countries with nuclear power capability:




Country
Megawatt capacity
Nuclear share of
electricity production

http://rpmedia.ask.c...gentina.svg.png Argentina
935
5.0%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Armenia.svg.png Armenia
375
33.2%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...(civil).svg.png Belgium
5,927
54.0%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Brazil.svg.png Brazil
1,884
3.2%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...ulgaria.svg.png Bulgaria
1,906
32.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Canada.svg.png Canada
12,604
15.3%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...f_China.svg.png China
11,816
1.9%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...epublic.svg.png Czech Republic
3,766
33.0%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Finland.svg.png Finland
2,736
31.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._France.svg.png France
63,130
77.1%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Germany.svg.png Germany
12,068
17.8%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Hungary.svg.png Hungary
1,889
43.3%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...f_India.svg.png India
4,780
3.7%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...of_Iran.svg.png Iran
915
<0.1%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...f_Japan.svg.png Japan
44,215
18.1%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...h_Korea.svg.png Korea, South (ROK)
20,671
34.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Mexico.svg.png Mexico
1,300
3.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...erlands.svg.png Netherlands
482
3.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...akistan.svg.png Pakistan
725
3.8%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Romania.svg.png Romania
1,300
19.0%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Russia.svg.png Russia
23,643
17.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...lovakia.svg.png Slovakia
1,816
54.0%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...lovenia.svg.png Slovenia
688
41.7%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Africa.svg.png South Africa
1,830
5.2%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...f_Spain.svg.png Spain
7,567
19.5%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._Sweden.svg.png Sweden
9,326
39.6%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...zerland.svg.png Switzerland
3,263
40.9%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...f_China.svg.png Taiwan
4,927
20.7%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Ukraine.svg.png Ukraine
13,107
47.2%

http://rpmedia.ask.c...Kingdom.svg.png United Kingdom
9,703
15.7%

http://rpmedia.ask.c..._States.svg.png United States
101,409
19.3%
It's but a short step from here to making your own weapons. Here:





United States
2,150 / 8,000[2]
1945 ("Trinity")
Signatory

Russia (former Soviet Union)
1,800 / 10,000[2]
1949 ("RDS-1")
Ratifier

United Kingdom
160 / 225[2]
1952 ("Hurricane")
Ratifier

France
290 / 300[2]
1960 ("Gerboise Bleue")
Ratifier

China
n.a. / 240[2]
1964 ("596")
Signatory

Non-NPT nuclear powers

India
n.a. / 80–100[2]
1974 ("Smiling Buddha")
Non-signatory

Pakistan
n.a. / 90–110[2]
1998 ("Chagai-I")
Non-signatory

North Korea
n.a. / <10[2]
2006 (2006 test)
Non-signatory

Undeclared nuclear powers

Israel
n.a. / 80–200[2][5]
possibly 1979 (See Vela Incident)
Signatory
Of course, both the US and the USSR shared there warheads all over the place, so there are other countries who did not develop nukes who possess/possessed them. Where would they fall under your policy of ending the threat of nuclear war by any means?

Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey and South Africa, Belarus, Kazakhstan and the Ukraine. Oh, and let's not forget Cuba who very shortly played host to a few ICBMs during that infamous missile crisis.

 Do we wipe them out, too?

At what point do you begin to look ridiculous trying to put the genie back in the bottle?

At what point do we admit that Star Brat looks ridiculous?

[scott1118]

I like your theory on the geth i've never actually heard that one before, but i guess in truth they are still synthetic as they are not made from organic material and still work on code and logic etc they may "feel" but it may not be the same as human emotion, even EDI being an unshackled AI explains what she means when she "feels"

[Oldbones2]

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

But we can't disregard the words of a billion of years old super-intelligence simply because we haven't seen it happen. It obviously is more knowledgeable than us.

Actually, we can, since he has ALWAYS prevented the actual execution of a singularity before it's come to fruition, with every piece of evidence either disproving his argument, or playing down his argument to a non-issue. He literally has NOTHING to support his case other than his word. Never mind that a singularity is much more likely to be beneficial rather than a negative, but whatever. Bioware must really clamor for the unnecessarily fatalistic mindset when constructing their stories.

This is a non argument. A nuclear war hasn't happened yet, nonetheless it's a good idea to do everything to prevent one from happening. That it hasn't happened yet is no argument.

The singularity is a premise. You can't argue with a premise. If a billion-year-old super-intelligent AI tells you that it will likely happen - well, it *may* be wrong, but you'd be well advised to think hard and long before rejecting it. Because the least it means, given the presentation, is that is this fictional universe, it has some validity. The only reason to reject it would be if it was internally inconsistent. But it isn't.

Besides, I already outlined scenario where a singularity had been contained and resulted in the destruction of both sides, in an answer to you of all things, which you conveniently ignore:

For instance, imagine it had been built by an organic species at war with post-singularity synthetics. This organic species was every advanced in other areas before it ever started to build synthetics, and it could hold its own for a while while it built the Catalyst, which is not a seed AI and cannot self-improve, so it doesn't fall under the same category of synthetics which will eventually destroy organics. Eventually, the Catalyst was finished, and shortly thereafter the post-singularity synthetics and the organic species that build them destroyed each other. The Catalyst was left with a lot of data about the behaviour of both parts.

So yeah, it can be a valid premise. People must really be desperate to invalidate the ending they don't like. I've never seen such a determination....even desperation....to be negative.  

Really because I don't count a logical dispute of your 'facts' ieldra to sound desperate.  You know what sounds desperate.... attacking the people behind the argument, instead of the argument itself.


But on to other things.

If the solution to preventing future genocides is a repeated cycle of genocide and forced hybridization, then it hardly seems like the solution is better than the orginal problem.

And I can absolutely argue with an age old premise, I have new relevant data that seems to disprove his 'theory'.  And he has no evidence backing his theory anyway.  Only supposition and guesswork.

[KingZayd]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Not killing the Reapers is only side effect of other benefits. Like, saving lifes of the innocents or allowing humanity to evolve.

Oh, you've got to be kidding me! "Letting humanity evolve"? Instant synthesis via green space magic is the  antithesis of that!

Here, let Mordin Solus explain it to you:

"Disrupts socio-technological balance! All scientological advances due to intelligence overcoming, compensating for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations: no limitations, no advancement. No advancement - culture stagnates. Works other way, too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous!"

Maybe a synthesis between organics and synthetics would be a viable solution in the face of an actual technological singularity, dissolving a potential conflict by finding a middle way.
But the galaxy is not faced with that situation right then and there, and it does not have the technological capability to actually achieve synthesis on their own.
So, even if we disregard the "space magic" factor, or the fact that every single life form is involuntarily turned into something else without knowing what's happening - at the end of the day, it's still a million times worse than having your culture shaped by the relays. It's like handing a gun to a caveman that hasn't even invented a spear.

Oh, and that nonsense about the "final step in evolution"?
There is no such step. Evolution is a continuous process of adapting to environments. It has no end point, no goal, no ultimate destination. No "higher" or "lower" steps.

actually there can be a final step.... it's the step before extinction

[Motherlander]

KingZayd wrote...

actually there can be a final step.... it's the step before extinction

That's right. It is the evolutionary cul-de-sac.

I have thought about Synthesis.

Like many, I am not overly happy that it seems to be presented as the as the "optimal" ending in ME3. However, it is there and I would like to make it work if Bioware actually get their finger out and explain it.

I can personally come up with a decription of how Synethesis could work that would suit me personally and would be acceptable. That is not my problem. However, i a not going to talk about that here. I am more concerned with the unawered questions relating to the conseqences and effect of Synthesis.

The problem I have is why it solves the problem that the Catayst presented.

Synthesis is supposed to stop the cycle. But thiking about it, I don't see how it actually has that effect. Here are some thoughts:

1) FUTURE SYNTHETICS
Synthesis only affects synthetics that currently exist. But what about new sythetics developed in the future.

As aothers have suggested, surely any of the current or new post-synthesis species could develop pure synthetics again who then could wipe out the organic-synthetic hybrids.

What stops this from happening? To me it is not obvious to me.

2) SYNTHESIS MAY ACTUALLY ACCELERATES THE DESTRUCTION OF ORGANICS
If organics have some synthetic attributes and are more "compatible" with synthetic upgrades, then this may only speed up the process of effectively turning organics into synthetics.

This of course depends on the effects synthesis has, which of course we don't know.

3) WHY SHOULD SYNTHESIS STOP THE CYCLE ANYWAY?
How does giving organics and synthetics actually stop the threat of sythetics destroying organics.

Even with the changes, the result could still be the same.

It may, for some as yet unexplained reason ,stop the Reaper threat. But there is no reason to think that sythesis would prevent an eventual synthetic domination of the galaxy and destruction of life.

If that is true then Synthesis, like all the other solutions two colutions, is just a temporary solution to the Reaper issue. But the problem may still occur in the longer and perhaps even faster (see my point 2).

4) WHY DOES IT STOP THE REAPERS?
There is no explanation for this.

The Reapers leave, but we don't really know where or why. This actually makes it less satisfactory than the control ending. Because we can assume that Shepard orders them to fly into the nearest sun or, if suicide is not possible, forces them to remain indefintely in Dark Space.

The only thing i can come up with is that the Reapers no longer recognise the organics as organics and thus leave. In other words, organics are no longer digestible for the repaers due to the changes.

Another possibility is that the changes make organics immune from Reaper indoctrination.

However, the problem with what I have said above, is that none of the above is suggested in the game from why I know.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ieldra2 wrote...

(2) The scenario solves the problem the Catalyst posits

According to the reapers all is well and they are not the problem. It is those nasty synthetics who are the problem. But don't be alarmed. Your kind will be killed to take care of them. So they say.

That's a bit puzzling, you know. As you may have noticed that your #2 statement is the core of my problem with all 3 options that Star Child offered me once. Maybe the kid offered these to you too? None of them can be a solution because the problem does not exists. In the only two cycles I have info from it looks like the organics have dealt with synthetics one way or another. In Javik's cycle the protheans exterminated all the synthetics during in the Metacom war. Bold move. But, hey, the protheans seem to like it. You know the geth? The ones created by the quarians? You must have seen those AIs before. Nice chaps. In Shepard's cycle the geth needed some help when the quarians attacked them several times and the reapers faked the geth's evilness by infecting some of them with the Pentium's FDIV bug. A nerdy joke, but still. These were later called heretics. I wish I really knew whether the synthetics pose a real threat, though. But it is hard to prove synthetics are the real problem when the reapers exterminate advanced civilizations and try to hide the traces of the event. As far as I can tell it never happened. To take their word for it is not something I am likely to do. I don't trust them. That's because several things make me very uneasy:

One would expect that the reapers would post clear warnings for those races instead. But, no... It seems that they rather make sure advanced civilizations come to fruition every 50,000 years or so and then harvest their organics and technology. It may be coincidence, but they use that to create new reapers. Funny, right? That's not all, I have seen it at work. They smashed living humans to pulp and pumped that through tubes to create a giant humanoid reaper. It was a bit silly, though. Even though all powerful reapers can fly they forgot to give this one wings. Luckily I was able to blow up it easily. I just went for the eyes. That worked.

It's like they do not have any other means of reproduction. It wouldn't surprise me when they stay on top of the food chain that way, though. It seems effective. Well, except for that one giant humanoid reaper, of course. That one must have been a booboo on their part. I've encountered one reaper who said that they are doing that for nearly forever. Phew. If that's true then it would explain why these creeps are so hard to kill. The non-humanoid ones, I mean.

What also so surprises me is that they use scare tactics during the genocide. It's like they are dreaming up the most efficient ways to horrify their victims. One very popular method is to turn members of a population into zombie-like husks. It's like they think humans have never seen "Plan 9 from Outer Space". If it wasn't real, it would be funny.

I can imagine that if synthetics were the real problem that these saviors of humanity would help fight synthetics when they become too strong. The contrary seems to be true. The case of the earlier mentioned heretics speaks for itself. That doesn't make me very comfortable with those reapers. Above all, it appears very counterproductive to me.

Another disadvantage of those genocides is that the victims are the ones the reapers are supposed to protect. I am not confident that this is a good idea when I hear that. Sounds like a reaper dreamed that up on an off-day. They also leave us organics little choice. It's not like they say: "Hello guys, we are the reapers. You have a problem. And we can help. Care if we sit down and talk about it?" Instead they are a bit pushy, you known. I think we better solve our own problems.

Given all the above, it seems a bit far fetched to me that everything is for our own good. But I am strange that way.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 03 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[Pride Demon]

The Angry One wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Synthesis is presented as the best option by the Catalyst, but what the hell it is, he fails to explain. What's stopping people from creating 100% synthetics again? The EC need a lot of Catalyst dialogue to explain the choices Shepard is taking, especially Synthesis and Control.

Synthesis only works in universe if you assume that the Catalyst is basically lying about the synthetics and the real motivation behind the cycle is in fact synthesis itself, i.e. turning organics into Reapers.
Synthesis does this on a larger scale permanently. Thus it ends the cycle.

It would be like turning the entire population of Earth into the **** ideal of Aryans. You haven't solved any potential conflict, but to the ignorant racists who believe this, everything is fixed.

And no, it's not Godwin's Law if the analogy is relevant.

Which it is not... Sorry Angry One, I respect you points of view and I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but no, just no...

The "Aryan ideal" and those who supported it didn't want to "synthetize" anything, they didn't want to fuse Aryan and not Aryan in some better uber creature... They wanted the TOTAL UTTER  ERADICATION of the other side... The end...

[frylock23]

Pride Demon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Synthesis is presented as the best option by the Catalyst, but what the hell it is, he fails to explain. What's stopping people from creating 100% synthetics again? The EC need a lot of Catalyst dialogue to explain the choices Shepard is taking, especially Synthesis and Control.

Synthesis only works in universe if you assume that the Catalyst is basically lying about the synthetics and the real motivation behind the cycle is in fact synthesis itself, i.e. turning organics into Reapers.
Synthesis does this on a larger scale permanently. Thus it ends the cycle.

It would be like turning the entire population of Earth into the **** ideal of Aryans. You haven't solved any potential conflict, but to the ignorant racists who believe this, everything is fixed.

And no, it's not Godwin's Law if the analogy is relevant.

Which it is not... Sorry Angry One, I respect you points of view and I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but no, just no...

The "Aryan ideal" and those who supported it didn't want to "synthetize" anything, they didn't want to fuse Aryan and not Aryan in some better uber creature... They wanted the TOTAL UTTER  ERADICATION of the other side... The end...

And what happens? The Star Brat's Final Solution turns all life into one Master Race - Bio-Synthetic Hybrids - by utterly eradicating the other two forms of life in a massive genocide.

So, yes, both organic and synthetic life are eradicated.

[Pride Demon]

frylock23 wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Synthesis is presented as the best option by the Catalyst, but what the hell it is, he fails to explain. What's stopping people from creating 100% synthetics again? The EC need a lot of Catalyst dialogue to explain the choices Shepard is taking, especially Synthesis and Control.

Synthesis only works in universe if you assume that the Catalyst is basically lying about the synthetics and the real motivation behind the cycle is in fact synthesis itself, i.e. turning organics into Reapers.
Synthesis does this on a larger scale permanently. Thus it ends the cycle.

It would be like turning the entire population of Earth into the **** ideal of Aryans. You haven't solved any potential conflict, but to the ignorant racists who believe this, everything is fixed.

And no, it's not Godwin's Law if the analogy is relevant.

Which it is not... Sorry Angry One, I respect you points of view and I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but no, just no...

The "Aryan ideal" and those who supported it didn't want to "synthetize" anything, they didn't want to fuse Aryan and not Aryan in some better uber creature... They wanted the TOTAL UTTER  ERADICATION of the other side... The end...

And what happens? The Star Brat's Final Solution turns all life into one Master Race - Bio-Synthetic Hybrids - by utterly eradicating the other two forms of life in a massive genocide.

So, yes, both organic and synthetic life are eradicated.

It still doesn't work... Those who supported the "Aryan ideal" didn't plan to eradicate themselves too, just others...
In fact, if the Cathalyst is not lying, I'd say that's what happens in Destroy (Eradication of all synthetics)...

Whether it actually applies or not to Destroy (I myself won't properly apply it as there are hundreds of possible different explanations: Cathalyst lies, not all synthetics are destroyed, etc...) is up to you...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 03 juin 2012 - 02:04 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Well, flylock 23, I'm using that nuclear power/weapons analogy whenever the issue is brought up again. It fits so perfectly words cannot describe.

[The Angry One]

Pride Demon wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Synthesis is presented as the best option by the Catalyst, but what the hell it is, he fails to explain. What's stopping people from creating 100% synthetics again? The EC need a lot of Catalyst dialogue to explain the choices Shepard is taking, especially Synthesis and Control.

Synthesis only works in universe if you assume that the Catalyst is basically lying about the synthetics and the real motivation behind the cycle is in fact synthesis itself, i.e. turning organics into Reapers.
Synthesis does this on a larger scale permanently. Thus it ends the cycle.

It would be like turning the entire population of Earth into the **** ideal of Aryans. You haven't solved any potential conflict, but to the ignorant racists who believe this, everything is fixed.

And no, it's not Godwin's Law if the analogy is relevant.

Which it is not... Sorry Angry One, I respect you points of view and I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but no, just no...

The "Aryan ideal" and those who supported it didn't want to "synthetize" anything, they didn't want to fuse Aryan and not Aryan in some better uber creature... They wanted the TOTAL UTTER  ERADICATION of the other side... The end...

And what happens? The Star Brat's Final Solution turns all life into one Master Race - Bio-Synthetic Hybrids - by utterly eradicating the other two forms of life in a massive genocide.

So, yes, both organic and synthetic life are eradicated.

It still doesn't work... Those who supported the "Aryan ideal" didn't plan to eradicate themselves too, just others...
In fact, if the Cathalyst is not lying, I'd say that's what happens in Destroy (Eradication of all synthetics)...

Whether it actually applies or not to Destroy (I myself won't properly apply it as there are hundreds of possible different explanations: Cathalyst lies, not all synthetics are destroyed, etc...) is up to you...

I'm talking about synthesis, not destroy. That's where the analogy is. In synthesis, all organic and synthetic life is terminated, replaced with the Reaper ideal.
If the ****s had the magic power to simply replace all humans with their ideal, you think they wouldn't have done it? Of course they would.
The underlying implication of racism and racial ideal is there whether you like it or not.

[nightcobra]

 let's have a little thought exercise:

synthesis is claimed to be what brings about the final stage of evolution of life, the pinnacle of evolution as it were. let's assume that this is true.

what Is the pinnacle of evolution? you've seen what happens in the game ending of this choice.


now let's ask this question to another character, let's say...the one who proposed this solution, the catalyst.

remember if you will his speech:

"i know you thought about destroying us"

"i control the reapers"

"We harvest advanced civilizations"

according to this we can conclude that the catalyst and the reapers are of the same faction with the same objective.

this makes the question "what is the pinnacle of evolution?" to the catalyst, the same as asking "what is the pinnacle of evolution?"...to a reaper.

remember back to ME1

"Sovereign/nazara: We are eternal. The pinnacle of Evolution and Existence."

and with that we have our answer

the pinnacle of evolution of life to a reaper IS a reaper. 

[Vigilant111]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 let's have a little thought exercise:

synthesis is claimed to be what brings about the final stage of evolution of life, the pinnacle of evolution as it were. let's assume that this is true.

what Is the pinnacle of evolution? you've seen what happens in the game ending of this choice.


now let's ask this question to another character, let's say...the one who proposed this solution, the catalyst.

remember if you will his speech:

"i know you thought about destroying us"

"i control the reapers"

"We harvest advanced civilizations"

according to this we can conclude that the catalyst and the reapers are of the same faction with the same objective.

this makes the question "what is the pinnacle of evolution?" to the catalyst, the same as asking "what is the pinnacle of evolution?"...to a reaper.

remember back to ME1

"Sovereign/nazara: We are eternal. The pinnacle of Evolution and Existence."

and with that we have our answer

the pinnacle of evolution of life to a reaper IS a reaper. 

Even so, they still think it is a good thing because somehow they become eternal and invincible, I mean I would be horrified of becoming one of those, unless I am indoctrinated

[Vigilant111]

Pride Demon wrote...

It still doesn't work... Those who supported the "Aryan ideal" didn't plan to eradicate themselves too, just others...
In fact, if the Cathalyst is not lying, I'd say that's what happens in Destroy (Eradication of all synthetics)...

Whether it actually applies or not to Destroy (I myself won't properly apply it as there are hundreds of possible different explanations: Cathalyst lies, not all synthetics are destroyed, etc...) is up to you...

You see, my view is that if u killed all synthetics u are still sacrificing part of yourself because it was u who created the synthetics, I am not sure if that applies to synthetic's POV and how to justify synthetics' sacrifice

[The Angry One]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Even so, they still think it is a good thing because somehow they become eternal and invincible, I mean I would be horrified of becoming one of those, unless I am indoctrinated

Because they want to headcanon all these wonderful benefits while ignoring that, even if true, nobody has the right to impose this change on every living thing.
Hell doing it to the population of Earth alone would be wrong, and even the freaking Deus Ex games recognise the impact of making sociological and physical choices for billions of people.

I wouldn't mind so much that Walters copied the endings to Deus Ex if he actually understood them.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

MisterJB...

the most commonly used form of genocide; that is the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group; has never been practiced by the Reapers as far as we know.

Remember Javik? The last prothean? *walks to Javik and kills him* There you have your genocide.

Needless to say, your other arguments relating to "domination of synthetics over organics" now fall apart. Thanks.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 03 juin 2012 - 02:23 .

[Joe Del Toro]

How are people still defending the benevolent equivalent of 'Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies' as an ending? "Green Laser, Everyone's Happy".

[The Night Mammoth]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

How are people still defending the benevolent equivalent of 'Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies' as an ending? "Green Laser, Everyone's Happy".

With Grand Canyon leaps of logic and Everest sized assumptions. 

[StrawberryJam]

I think every ending is pretty indefensible, or rather, the premises on which they are based are, as has been laid out pretty shrewdly by AngryFrozenWater.

[The Angry One]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

MisterJB...

the most commonly used form of genocide; that is the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group; has never been practiced by the Reapers as far as we know.

Remember Javik? The last prothean? *walks to Javik and kills him* There you have your genocide.

Needless to say, your other arguments relating to "domination of synthetics over organics" now fall apart. Thanks.

Also the Quarians would like a word with anyone who claims that the Reapers were not engaging in the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group.

[Peranor]

I don't always choose Synthesis. But when I do I always imagine my Shepard singing 'Biggest & The Best' by Clawfinger when running towards the beam.


Nobody Is Perfect But I'M Pretty Fu*king Close
And I'm Here To Give You All A Heavy Heavenly Dose
I Think You'd Better Listen 'Cos I Know Who You Are
And I Think That You Should Treat Me Like A Superstar

Because I'm More Than Just A Human I'm A Gift To All Of You
And I'm Here To Make Sure That My Message Gets Through
I Wonder If You're Really All As Dumb As You Look
Or Are You Smart Enough To Learn The Rules In My Book

I Hope You Understand That The Knowledge I Bring
Puts Me In The Position Of A God Or A King
'Cos I'M Blessed With The Gift Of The Magic Touch
And I Wouldn't Say That I'm Asking For To Much

All You Have To Do Is Get Down On Your Knees And Pray
And I Promise You The Remedy Is On Its Way
But You Can Never Be Like Me So Don't Waste Your Time
Because I Reign Supreme And My Position Is Divine

What's Wrong With Being Self Possessed?
Nobody'S Satisfied With Being Second Best
I've Got The Gift And I Know That I'm Blessed
And I've Got To Get It Off My Chest

I'm The Biggest The Best Better Than The Rest, Better Than The Rest

I'm Not Afraid Of Competition 'Cos I Know That I'm The Best
And You Haven't Got A Chance To Even Pass My Little Test
Even If You Wanted To You Couldn't Pay The Price
There Ain't No Room For Losers In My Perfect Paradise

'Cos Life Is Always Based Upon The Weight Of Your Success
So I'll Make Sure That I Get The Most And Nothing Less
If I Love Myself Then Everyone Will Love Me To
And There'S Nothing You Can Do For Me That I Can't Do

So Welcome To My Kingdom And Enjoy Your Little Stay
Even If You Can't Afford It I'll Still Make You Pay
So You'd Better Come And Get It And Enjoy It While You Can
Don't Tell Me That You're Dumb Enough To Think I Give A Damn

I Couldn't Care Less About What You Achieve
And There's Only One Thing That You Have To Believe
The Only Thing Important That You Have To Understand
Is That No Matter What You Say It's Still A God I Really Am

I'm The Biggest The Best Better Than The Rest, Better Than The Rest

Modifié par anorling, 03 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[Vigilant111]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

MisterJB...

the most commonly used form of genocide; that is the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group; has never been practiced by the Reapers as far as we know.

Remember Javik? The last prothean? *walks to Javik and kills him* There you have your genocide.

Needless to say, your other arguments relating to "domination of synthetics over organics" now fall apart. Thanks.

Don't kill Javik... please

[goofyomnivore]

OT: Does anyone else find it awesome, that India's first nuclear bomb test was code name "Smiling Buddha"?

Modifié par strive, 03 juin 2012 - 02:42 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Vigilant111 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

MisterJB...

the most commonly used form of genocide; that is the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group; has never been practiced by the Reapers as far as we know.

Remember Javik? The last prothean? *walks to Javik and kills him* There you have your genocide.

Needless to say, your other arguments relating to "domination of synthetics over organics" now fall apart. Thanks.

Don't kill Javik... please

Sorry. I forgot that Javik was eager to kill himself. :P

[Vigilant111]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

MisterJB...

the most commonly used form of genocide; that is the slaughter of the entire population of a certain group; has never been practiced by the Reapers as far as we know.

Remember Javik? The last prothean? *walks to Javik and kills him* There you have your genocide.

Needless to say, your other arguments relating to "domination of synthetics over organics" now fall apart. Thanks.

Don't kill Javik... please

Sorry. I forgot that Javik was eager to kill himself. :P

Well, not much point in him being alive if the gamer chooses synthesis I think...

Modifié par Vigilant111, 03 juin 2012 - 02:45 .