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[KingZayd]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Come to think of it the Reapers fit that niche.

Jesus.

Sovereign resented the fact that the heretic geth worshipped him though.

[Jadebaby]

"why synthesis makes sense" ha - that's a good one.

[Taboo]

You are not vindicated of your choice because it supposedly betters the galaxy.

What makes it even worse is that Shepard dies to do it.

No one will have ANY idea what has happened. People are not going to suddenly enjoy this or know what to do with it.

[Pride Demon]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Did you honestly just look at the Wikipedia page or are you a Doctor?

Because a "God Complex" is something that is not a medical term but is used as a form of narcissim.

That grandiose sense of self worth and the feeling of entitlement and bad boundaries? That feeds into a "God Complex".

I look at the wiki of course... As, probably, did you since your quotation is verbatim from there...

[Ieldra]

@Taboo:
Debate? Ridiculing the opposition with sweeping generalizations isn't debate. Implying the opposition is mentally defective isn't debate, it's insulting. Congratulations, you've successfully derailed this thread.

Actually, I don't know why *I'm* still here, putting up with all this sh*t. Must be a mental defect. Seriously, I've been here on BSN for 2 1/2 years and a few more on the old forums, and I've never seen this level of incoherent antagonism and sheer bloody malice, driven by 90% invention, aimed at me - or anyone - for making an unpopular decision in a game.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 juin 2012 - 08:18 .

[Taboo]

Pride Demon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Did you honestly just look at the Wikipedia page or are you a Doctor?

Because a "God Complex" is something that is not a medical term but is used as a form of narcissim.

That grandiose sense of self worth and the feeling of entitlement and bad boundaries? That feeds into a "God Complex".

I look at the wiki of course... As, probably, did you since your quotation is verbatim from there...

I did, I will never deny it. I'm not going to dig out the Manual however.

It falls under the Manual under Narcissim.

You cannot diagnose the God Comples because it is subjective, but a far share of characteritics found IN THE MANUAL feed into the God Complex. But it will most certainly be used in a legal sense.

That's were the "Insanity" defense comes from.

[Joe Del Toro]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, I don't know why *I'm* still here, putting up with all this sh*t. Must be a mental defect. Seriously, I've been here on BSN for 2 1/2 years and a few more on the old forums, and I've never seen this level of incoherent antagonism and sheer bloody malice, driven by 90% invention, aimed at me - or anyone - for making an unpopular decision in a game.

And here's me thinking we were getting along swimmingly. Great going, Tabs<_<

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Taboo:
Debate? Ridiculing the opposition with sweeping generalizations isn't debate. Implying the opposition is mentally defective isn't debate, it's insulting. Congratulations, you've successfully derailed this thread.

Actually, I don't know why *I'm* still here, putting up with all this sh*t. Must be a mental defect. Seriously, I've been here on BSN for 2 1/2 years and a few more on the old forums, and I've never seen this level of incoherent antagonism and sheer bloody malice, driven by 90% invention, aimed at me - or anyone - for making an unpopular decision in a game.

I never said that you were defective. You have assigned that meaning to the posts not I.

You do however, on the other hand continue to dismiss my defense of your opinions in other threads. I hate Synthesis but I couldn't care less about your choice because nothing I can do or say will change it. But don't you can't honestly believe that I'm not going to tell you why I think it's wrong? The hapax legomena that is Synthesis can only be talked about in BROAD sweeping terms because no one has any idea what the hell is going on. The attacks and defense will become more streamlined once it is clarified.

THIS is why the endings are a failure. No one person can reach much of anything.

[Ieldra]

@Joe:
This wasn't primarily aimed at Taboo, though he certainly didn't help.

@Taboo:
The classic defense of the demagogue. "I didn't say anything, you made the associations."
Yes, you told me your reasons. I appreciate it. But that doesn't make this better.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, I don't know why *I'm* still here, putting up with all this sh*t. Must be a mental defect. Seriously, I've been here on BSN for 2 1/2 years and a few more on the old forums, and I've never seen this level of incoherent antagonism and sheer bloody malice, driven by 90% invention, aimed at me - or anyone - for making an unpopular decision in a game.

And here's me thinking we were getting along swimmingly. Great going, Tabs<_<

I would be happy to direct anyone here to a film discussion. You think THIS is bad?

You haven't lived until you've seen one of those.

[Joe Del Toro]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Joe:
This wasn't primarily aimed at Taboo, though he certainly didn't help.

Yeah I know, I'm just trying to lighten the mood here.

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, I don't know why *I'm* still here, putting up with all this sh*t. Must be a mental defect. Seriously, I've been here on BSN for 2 1/2 years and a few more on the old forums, and I've never seen this level of incoherent antagonism and sheer bloody malice, driven by 90% invention, aimed at me - or anyone - for making an unpopular decision in a game.

And here's me thinking we were getting along swimmingly. Great going, Tabs<_<

I would be happy to direct anyone here to a film discussion. You think THIS is bad?

You haven't lived until you've seen one of those.

Among my many career paths, teaching film studies at college level is among them. I know what a film discussion looks like, man.

[Taboo]

When you go to Cannes for instance, they shout things like "MERDE", "MERDE" right at the screen.

I shouldn't even be here. I WAS going to work on Game of Thrones but I didn't. I chose to remain here. My mistake.

Nothing here compares to the horrors that someone who obsesses over Quentin Tarantino can unfurl. Dear God.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 05 juin 2012 - 08:30 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

@Ieldra2:

Do not take this too personal. The whole ending is insulting. The writers have no idea what they did. Genocide for them is something you read about. And that's it. That doesn't make it right. I know.

[The Night Mammoth]

Taboo-XX wrote...

When you go to Cannes for instance, they shout things like "MERDE", "MERDE" right at the screen.

I shouldn't even be here. I WAS going to work on Game of Thrones but I didn't. I chose to remain here. My mistake.

Nothing here compares to the horrors that someone who obsesses over Quentin Tarantino can unfurl. Dear God.

What's better than working on a Game of Thrones? 

[Taboo]

Of course it doesn't make it better. This is what bad art does. It creates circles of debate that cannot be resolved.

Every bit of vitriol you see directed at Synthesis is because Bioware failed to explain it. Nothing here should be unexpected.

[WYLDMAXX]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I shouldn't even be here. I WAS going to work on Game of Thrones but I didn't. I chose to remain here. My mistake.

I say it was. Now get to that third season.

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nothing here compares to the horrors that someone who obsesses over Quentin Tarantino can unfurl. Dear God.

Agreed. I came to BSN to get away from EW.com.

[Taboo]

Turns out they would still be filming in March. Guess what also came out in March.

Now I'm stuck here, in this pit, with every other angry fan. Understand that I to am deeply hurt.

The next offer I'll probably take up for HBO is to help with an adaptation of Stephen Ambrose's Undaunted Courage, which is a novel about Lewis and Clark.

[LelianaHawke]

The problem is lack of resolution. With both Paragon and Renegade, nothing is resolved. You still have the issue of an impending destruction via synthetic uprising. They merely suspend the inevitable. In Control, you yourself, controlling the Reapers, will have to one day figure out a solution to the problem, the chaos. In Destroy, chaos remains, and life will eventually succumb to synthetics. This is a pretty prevalent idea in sci-fi and AI theory, and I think that's sort of what Bioware was borrowing against. So I pretty much accept the "synthetics destroy advanced life before it has a chance to destroy all life" explanation at face value. I don't take the Geth and Quarians getting along, and EDI helping your cause, as being an argument against this inevitable conclusion. I view it as hope and optimism--right now, it's not a threat. In the future, it will be, especially when synthetics far surpass organics.

Mass Effect basically destroys that theory.

The actual sci-fi theory of tech singularity states that once AI achieves sentinence, it will rapidly progress at an unimaginable rate, due to the ability to keep upgrading.

That's where the actual threat comes from. But Mass Effect's synthetics progress at a snail's pace. In all the time that Geth and EDI have been active, they've only managed some minor upgrades.

Because Mass Effect AI is ultra slow, organics have a fighting chance to respond.

I also disagree that it's prevalent in 'AI theory'. While popular, it is still heavily debated and disagreed with. A vast number of AI scientists disagree with the notion of singularity.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 05 juin 2012 - 08:40 .

[KingZayd]

WYLDMAXX wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I shouldn't even be here. I WAS going to work on Game of Thrones but I didn't. I chose to remain here. My mistake.

I say it was. Now get to that third season.

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nothing here compares to the horrors that someone who obsesses over Quentin Tarantino can unfurl. Dear God.

Agreed. I came to BSN to get away from EW.com.

the last episode was rather poor though :/ a shame since blackwater was so good.

[The Night Mammoth]

LelianaHawke wrote...

Mass Effect basically destroys that theory.

The actual sci-fi theory of tech singularity states that once AI achieves sentinence, it will rapidly progress at an unimaginable rate, due to the ability to keep upgrading.

That's where the actual threat comes from. But Mass Effect's synthetics progress at a snail's pace. In all the time that Geth and EDI have been active, they've only managed some minor upgrades.

There's a science fiction definition of it? 

[Taboo]

I don't even know anymore.

There is no basis for it in the real world and the introduction of the singularity is just, well, blunt. You don't do that to an audience.

Bioware must have thought people would eat it up. Not so much. The issue is a lack of ANYTHING here.

[LelianaHawke]

http://en.wikipedia....cal_singularity

The notion of an "intelligence explosion" is key to the singularity. It was first described thus by Good (1965), who speculated on the effects of superhuman machines:
“ Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an ‘intelligence explosion,’ and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make.

Mass Effect doesn't have the AI explosion integral to the idea. As such, the Catalyst's reasoning is based on nothing.If AI just evolves slowly, then it's just another race, and organics have a fighting chance.

That the Geth have existed for hundreds (thousands?) of years with the Quarians potentially winning a war against them does more to damage the theory than any peace between Quarians and Geth. It shows AI does not evolve fast in ME.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 05 juin 2012 - 08:46 .

[The Night Mammoth]

LelianaHawke wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....cal_singularity

The notion of an "intelligence explosion" is key to the singularity. It was first described thus by Good (1965), who speculated on the effects of superhuman machines:
“ Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an ‘intelligence explosion,’ and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make.

Mass Effect doesn't have the AI explosion integral to the idea. As such, the Catalyst's reasoning is based on nothing.

I'm very aware of the real world theory, I didn't know there was a general science-fiction version, unless I read that post completely wrong. 

Either way, I agree, Mass Effect does not support the inception of such a factor into the plot. 

[LelianaHawke]

I consider the 'real world' theory science fiction in itself, since its biggest proponents are movies and video games. Many AI scientists disagree with it. Moore himself, whose law of constantly upgrading tech is used as a basis for singularity theory, doesn't think it will go that far.

That was what my sci fi theory comment was referring too. Real world theory = sci fi.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 05 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[Epic777]

Synthesis is a radical solution to a problem that doesn't exist.