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[Shatterhand1701]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lucas1987Dion wrote...

^ charmingcharlie@, They should show some EC stuff at E3. And why they don't show EC on E3? Because is bad or...

They have nothing to show, look what do you want ?  Do you want them to rush this crap so they can appease your "oh lemme see lemme see lemme see" or do you want them to do it RIGHT, put the effort in and produce something that will rectify the short comings of Mass Effect 3 in people's eyes ?

Now I have been as strong a critic as anyone here with regards to Bioware.  I think ultimately the EC will be a complete and utter failure anyway.  However if you are looking forward to the EC then you have to let them get on with it rather than waste time "wetting your appetite" for it.  They didn't talk about the EC at E3 because there is nothing to talk about, they didn't show anything about the EC at E3 because there is nothing to show you.  Now seriously let them get on with it.

How is talking about the EC preventing them from working on it?  Wouldn't E3 be the most opportune time for them to absorb the fans' collective thoughts on what they expect the EC to have and use the received information to their advantage?  It's the biggest electronic gaming convention in the United States; surely there's no better place to gauge the fans' feelings on what the EC should contain.  Sure, they've been sort of asking about it here, but why not open things up for civil, rational discussion at the most logical and relevent venue they could have?  Consider it an act of good will toward the fans who care enough to get something of quality from the EC.  Am I the only one who sees any logic in that?

[mauro2222]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

zapphoman24 wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

I mean seriously. B/w Battlefield 3(which I play) premium, another Call of Garbage, Ghost Recon future soldier which was just released, and now Medal of Honor, how many more military shooters do we need?
Between that and NOTHING in regards to Mass Effect news at all, This E3 flat out sucks...

Agreed. E3 is stinking it up this year. No new IPs or new major franchises. Crysis 3 looks pretty good and Splinter Cell looks alright but that's about it.

It would look better if the camera didn't pan out every few minutes. <_<

More linearity, horrible explosions... come on, make it like Crysis 1 or Warhead, not like the ****ty port of Crysis 2.

[AnubisOnly]

@charmingcharlie, ''Now seriously let them get on with it'' - really?? ;-)
''they didn't show anything about the EC at E3 because there is nothing to show you'' - again really?
You work in BW or what? ;-P

Modifié par Lucas1987Dion, 04 juin 2012 - 10:10 .

[PlatonicWaffles]

Nintendo'll win by default just because they'll actually show off games.

[SoWutNAO]

It was almost as if they gave Bioware a "pity" presentation. Like "Here Dr. guy, you can have a minute. Don't go over that though or we'll lay you off."

And man he was sweating hard.

I'm not doubting the long term future of Bioware anymore, I'm doubting they even have a short term future.

[charmingcharlie]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  How is talking about the EC preventing them from working on it? 

It wouldn't prevent them from working on it, but people nagging and pestering them for inconsequential news about some cut scenes is not going to help them and will increase the pressure to rush the finished product.  Let them get on with it, if you care about the EC.

Shatterhand1701 wrote... Wouldn't E3 be the most opportune time for them to absorb the fans' collective thoughts on what they expect the EC to have and use the received information to their advantage?  It's the biggest electronic gaming convention in the United States; surely there's no better place to gauge the fans' feelings on what the EC should contain. 

They have had a couple of months to "absorb" the fans collective thoughts.  They probably do not need any more "thoughts" from the fans.  I would wager they could probably fill an entire library with all the "thoughts" they have received from the fans.  I would also say that at this stage any fan feedback is next to useless now, they have decided what course the DLC will take (since they are doing voice recording and what not) so any extra feedback now would largely be pointless.

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  Sure, they've been sort of asking about it here, but why not open things up for civil, rational discussion at the most logical and relevent venue they could have?  Consider it an act of good will toward the fans who care enough to get something of quality from the EC.  Am I the only one who sees any logic in that?

As I said the time for discussion is over, they have the feedback and they have are now doing the DLC .  How about you see the logic of "they have NOTHING to show you yet or discuss yet" ?  Does that sound logical to you ?   If you "care" about this EC then leave them alone to get on with it.

Lucas1987Dion wrote...

@charmingcharlie, ''Now seriously let them get on with it'' - really?? ;-)
''they didn't show anything about the EC at E3 because there is nothing to show you'' - again really?
You work in BW or what? ;-P

Yeh Lucas1987Dion I work at Bioware I am actually Ray in disguise   They have just started voice recording a week or so ago and whilst I am sure they are well into doing the DLC there is nothing worth showing to the general public (why is this a difficult concept to understand).  If they had something worth showing and talking about in time for E3 they would've done it. 

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 04 juin 2012 - 10:17 .

[AnubisOnly]

@ charmingcharlie, nope, they have started voice recording in early Mai according to voice actors twits...

[charmingcharlie]

Lucas1987Dion wrote...

@ charmingcharlie, nope, they have started voice recording in early Mai according to voice actors twits...

BrotherWarth wrote...   Not only are you pulling these statements out of your ass, you're doing so without any semblance of knowledge on the subject. Voice acting started late in April/early May.

I should've been clearer I believe Mark Meers just recently tweeted he had a session with the voice coordinator/director at Bioware.  Naturally there will have been many VO sessions that probably started at the beginning of May but these are still ongoing.

BrotherWarth wrote...   And you're ignoring the possibility of damage control. They may be keeping quiet on it so they can have a quick and quiet release and move on without much public awareness.

Damage control ? what damage control ?  any damage to the ME brand has already been done.  About the only way Bioware could damage the ME brand any further is if the DLC is just a picture of a steaming turd that you unlock with an EMS of 666.  There is no damage left for them to control, whether they talk about it or not will not damage the ME brand anymore than it has already been fatally wounded.  

You accuse me of "pulling statements out of my arse" what about you pulling conspiracy theories out of yours ?  Which is more likely ? They haven't talked about the EC because it is a big bad conspiracy to sneak it out whilst no one is looking so they don't damage the brand any further OR they just have nothing to show or talk about yet ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 04 juin 2012 - 10:37 .

[Shatterhand1701]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  How is talking about the EC preventing them from working on it? 

It wouldn't prevent them from working on it, but people nagging and pestering them for inconsequential news about some cut scenes is not going to help them and will increase the pressure to rush the finished product.  Let them get on with it, if you care about the EC.

Shatterhand1701 wrote... Wouldn't E3 be the most opportune time for them to absorb the fans' collective thoughts on what they expect the EC to have and use the received information to their advantage?  It's the biggest electronic gaming convention in the United States; surely there's no better place to gauge the fans' feelings on what the EC should contain. 

They have had a couple of months to "absorb" the fans collective thoughts.  They probably do not need any more "thoughts" from the fans.  I would wager they could probably fill an entire library with all the "thoughts" they have received from the fans.  I would also say that at this stage any fan feedback is next to useless now, they have decided what course the DLC will take (since they are doing voice recording and what not) so any extra feedback now would largely be pointless.

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  Sure, they've been sort of asking about it here, but why not open things up for civil, rational discussion at the most logical and relevent venue they could have?  Consider it an act of good will toward the fans who care enough to get something of quality from the EC.  Am I the only one who sees any logic in that?

As I said the time for discussion is over, they have the feedback and they have are now doing the DLC .  How about you see the logic of "they have NOTHING to show you yet or discuss yet" ?  Does that sound logical to you ?   If you "care" about this EC then leave them alone to get on with it.

I'm sorry, but your whole "if you care about the EC then leave them alone" statement is garbage.  I will most certainly NOT leave Bioware alone about the DLC *because* I care about it.  Granted, I don't intend to hound them every day as I know they need time to work on it, but they have the best venue possible for reassuring the fans who are nervously waiting for the EC that it is in good hands and good shape and they're completely dismissing it...for what?  From what I understand they've got nothing else to talk about there, save for SWTOR, and considering the low comedy that game's become, you'd think they'd want something else to focus on.

Hell, their whole statement could be just a sentence or two:

"Since you're all wanting to know, here's what I can tell you about the Extended Cut: We've got the voice actors coming in to record dialogue, cutscene content is being worked out, and we look forward to bringing you the clarification (since they love that word so much) that fans of the Mass Effect series are looking for.  We've been paying keen attention to feedback from the fans, and I think you'll be pleased with the results."

DONE.  No spoiling details, no hinted release date, nothing that can get them in trouble about the when's or what's...just an assurance that it's in capable hands and maybe even a bit of hope for a silver lining around the ending's incredibly dark cloud.

Ugh...whatever.  It doesn't matter anyway; it's not going to happen.  At least now I don't have to waste any time or effort paying attention to E3 coverage this week or weekend.

[charmingcharlie]

BrotherWarth wrote...

How would they have nothing to show? Months of development and no additional gameplay is being implemented.

Well the first few weeks after release they were busy "listening" to us and yelling "artisitic integrity FTW".  It has only been two months since they decided they would actually do an "extended cut" and you can bet your life when they decided to do the EC they didn't have a bloody clue what they were going to do with it so they probably wasted a couple more weeks "listening".  If I was to hazard I guess I would say they only started on the EC towards the end of April beginning of May (we are still in the first week of June here).

It is up to you what you want to believe.  If you want to believe it is some sort of "damage control thing" that they aren't talking about  the EC then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind about it.  A far more reasonable and down to earth explanation is that they simply do not have anything worth showing or talking about.

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  "Since you're all wanting to know, here's what I can tell you about the Extended Cut: We've got the voice actors coming in to record dialogue, cutscene content is being worked out, and we look forward to bringing you the clarification (since they love that word so much) that fans of the Mass Effect series are looking for.  We've been paying keen attention to feedback from the fans, and I think you'll be pleased with the results."

They have already said most of that, you know the voice actors are coming in to record dialogue, you already know cutscene content is being worked on.  They have said they are proud of their work and look forward to extending the ending with clarification.  They have told you half a dozen times that the fan feedback is very important and they pay attention to it.  Seriously do you need them to repeat it all over again ?

They also were very clear that no one should get their hopes up for E3.  They stated they would not be saying or showing anything at E3 so I don't know why anyone would expect to see anything at E3 (fair enough Bioware does have a habit of saying one thing and doing another).

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 04 juin 2012 - 11:06 .

[CptBomBom00]

FarCry 3 = Tities , I wonder if Fox will make big halo out of this?

[Shatterhand1701]

charmingcharlie wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

How would they have nothing to show? Months of development and no additional gameplay is being implemented.

Well the first few weeks after release they were busy "listening" to us and yelling "artisitic integrity FTW".  It has only been two months since they decided they would actually do an "extended cut" and you can bet your life when they decided to do the EC they didn't have a bloody clue what they were going to do with it so they probably wasted a couple more weeks "listening".  If I was to hazard I guess I would say they only started on the EC towards the end of April beginning of May (we are still in the first week of June here).

It is up to you what you want to believe.  If you want to believe it is some sort of "damage control thing" that they aren't talking about  the EC then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind about it.  A far more reasonable and down to earth explanation is that they simply do not have anything worth showing or talking about.

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  "Since you're all wanting to know, here's what I can tell you about the Extended Cut: We've got the voice actors coming in to record dialogue, cutscene content is being worked out, and we look forward to bringing you the clarification (since they love that word so much) that fans of the Mass Effect series are looking for.  We've been paying keen attention to feedback from the fans, and I think you'll be pleased with the results."

They have already said most of that, you know the voice actors are coming in to record dialogue, you already know cutscene content is being worked on.  They have said they are proud of their work and look forward to extending the ending with clarification.  They have told you half a dozen times that the fan feedback is very important and they pay attention to it.  Seriously do you need them to repeat it all over again ?

They also were very clear that no one should get their hopes up for E3.  They stated they would not be saying or showing anything at E3 so I don't know why anyone would expect to see anything at E3 (fair enough Bioware does have a habit of saying one thing and doing another).

Actually, you know what?  In this situation, yes; I do need them to repeat it all over again.  And I think other people would like to be reassured.  I'd rather hear a reiteration of the same thing than NOTHING AT ALL, especially when they're at the best possible place to address fans of the game who...hold onto your hats, folks...don't visit the BSN yet are fans of Mass Effect and may not be privy to what Bioware has already told the regulars here.  I am sure there are plenty of people out there who will be attending E3 that don't lurk on these forums or on Bioware's blog site nearly as much as all of us do who'd do well with getting that quick update.

[Sneaky Monkey]

Holy god. I have to have Watch Dogs. That makes up for how disappointing Bioware is/was at E3.

[RampaXi]

Sneaky Monkey wrote...

Holy god. I have to have Watch Dogs. That makes up for how disappointing Bioware is/was at E3.

Pretty much the highlight of the whole E3 unless Sony has something better to offer

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Closing other E3 threads to this one.

We have confirmed there will not be discussion of the Extended Cut at E3. Watch E3 footage (Gametrailers.com, Kotaku, etc) to see what/if any other BioWare news or other cool game news is announced.

Damn dude, that is depressing.  You guys are the one of the only companies I look forward to seeing at trade shows.  There's always X-Com: UFOs And Stuff and Hitman: Awesomulation, I guess.

[ghost9191]

they said they wouldn't show anything about the ec, was still hoping for some hints about other dlc's though

Modifié par ghost9191, 04 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Dylia wrote...

Nintendo'll win by default just because they'll actually show off games.

Did you see the MS presentation?  The live feed was 60% intergration with TV and tablets, 20% fat people games, and like 20% real games.  It was terrible.

[charmingcharlie]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...  Actually, you know what?  In this situation, yes; I do need them to repeat it all over again.  And I think other people would like to be reassured.  I'd rather hear a reiteration of the same thing than NOTHING AT ALL, especially when they're at the best possible place to address fans of the game who...hold onto your hats, folks...don't visit the BSN yet are fans of Mass Effect and may not be privy to what Bioware has already told the regulars here.  I am sure there are plenty of people out there who will be attending E3 that don't lurk on these forums or on Bioware's blog site nearly as much as all of us do who'd do well with getting that quick update.

Oooooooookay so you want them to tell you stuff you already know I am sure you would be satisfied with that ..... oh wait no you wouldn't.  Nope next up you would be going "why the hell did you even bother telling us that, we know all that tell us new stuff, BIOWAREZ YOU SUCKZ".

As for fans that don't visit BSN you know it is quite possible ...... hold onto your hats, folks they don't give a crap anymore.  Anyone attending E3 is more than likely able to visit the many gaming news sites and would have easily seen plenty of articles telling them that voice over work has started etc etc. 

Those that want to know what is happening with the EC can easily find out, they don't need Bioware appearing at every show going "hey guys we are still working on the EC, we care and we love you and you are special and it will all be wonderful, honest trust us really it will".

You are being pretty irrational here, they have told you they are working on the EC, they have told you that feedback is important.  They told you there would be no news of the EC at this current time and they told you that they would not be releasing any information about the EC at E3.  Now if you are not happy with that then I don't know what to suggest.

[felipejiraya]

Ubisoft KILLED E3 tonight.

[Eterna]

Emzx19 wrote...

I would like a public apology about the ending. Admitting you made a mistake is the first step to fixing it. But then again EA is too dam proud to admit they did wrong to a series.

They have nothing to apologize for, stop beint petty.

[ArkkAngel007]

If they mention DLC, it will be later in the week. I didn't expect them to mention ME3, and it was a surprise to see SWTOR featured in that cramped showcase.

I was more disappointed that there wasn't an Origin upgrade announced. I don't like the service, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see it improve. I mean, if you're going to have your presser's title and half of your marketing speak based on the digital market, then you should bring more than a cash-grab aimed at the BF3 players (an excellent game that doesn't need this ****). It's like they're not even trying.

[Bluko]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Well the first few weeks after release they were busy "listening" to us and yelling "artisitic integrity FTW".  It has only been two months since they decided they would actually do an "extended cut" and you can bet your life when they decided to do the EC they didn't have a bloody clue what they were going to do with it so they probably wasted a couple more weeks "listening".  If I was to hazard I guess I would say they only started on the EC towards the end of April beginning of May (we are still in the first week of June here).

It is up to you what you want to believe.  If you want to believe it is some sort of "damage control thing" that they aren't talking about  the EC then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind about it.  A far more reasonable and down to earth explanation is that they simply do not have anything worth showing or talking about.

Starting to fear this may be the case. I'd have liked to think they had something sort of planned as reassurance there was a salvage operation planned all along. But if they just started to tinker with ideas for the EC well after release that bothers me for a couple reasons:

1) The negative reactions and demands some fans have made is now playing a role in the creation process. While incorporating fan feedback isn't a bad idea... the issue is too much of it tends to be unreasonable. It will especially be that way since so much of it was done in complete rage. I fear greatly now the EC may be including "Little Blue Babies" or other largely unnecessary elements.
2) Bioware to some extent has no idea what it's doing at all. It really shows just how out of touch they are with making something that actually serves the purpose of telling a story. It makes me doubt Bioware has any merit as storytellers. Which is not good since that's basically what they stake their entire reputation on and part of what draws me to their games.
3) They didn't at all consider the disastrous effects of releasing DLC months after. Ignoring the intial outcry this is really poor way to continue a story. It assumes the majority fans are okay with waiting for something they were essentially expecting months ago. I mean it's okay if you have to delay something, but just repeatedly saying "soon" is not the way you go about it.


I knew hearing or seeing anything about the EC was unlikely. I mean anything regarding the EC is highly spoilerish. And they I'm sure no matter what they want to avoid anymore outcry as well. But that we still have no idea of a release date at all at this point is getting a bit ridiculous. Look I want the EC to be done right... but I'm not going to wait forever. Only reason I come by here anymore is the hope of finally some definite news so I can at least mark my calendar. I am coming dangerously close to forgetting about Mass Effect entirely. I don't want my final memory of Mass Effect to be "Gee that was lame. What a complete waste of time that series was... why did I ever play it? I should sell these games and get something else."

I don't visit that many other game sites and I very much fear because this is just a DLC I could easily miss the news of it's release entirely. The few people I know who play Mass Effect aren't really interested in DLC for it. So yeah...

[Esquin]

They haven't been big on the communication so far, why would they start communicating and caring about what we say now?