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It would be kind of stupid for the quarians to send their sources of food at Cthulhu robots.

Yet they do, because they're visibly present in the final armada.

I suppose they could've flown to Earth then sat out the fight, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. If they're not going to be used, why take them at all?


Then again, the quarians have a history of being... less than intelligent at times.

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SOMEONE didn't think this through.

I wonder how they'll resolve this.

God, it's so dumb I can't even begin to wonder who thought this was a good idea.

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I'd guess that most clusters wouldn't be so dependant on outside food that they'd starve without outside food. Bulk transport of food doesn't seem like a particularly profitable use of space travel - some might not be wholly self supporting and you'd obviously lose access to your favourite luxuries, but I'd guess most would be able to get by with rationing.

The worlds which have seen more heavy fighting like Earth or Palaven are a more complex situation. The balance of devastation to depopulation is something that can only be speculated about.

edit:  I'd assume that the liveships were present in the fight, though no longer with a large civilian population on board.  They were probably deployed cautiously as long range "artillery", but that would be because with likely poor shields, armour and point defence they'd die really quickly in close combat.


Clusters may indeed be fine, assuming their close enough to allow conventional FTL to make trade feasible, and have (collectively) the raw resorces for food and at least some industrial/tech production.  Most likly, they'd be the nucleus of new political entities.

I think questions of profitability aren't too meaningful in the near term, as conventional prices are based upon the tradable galactic economy enabled by the relays.  If it costs relatively less to scoop and refine enough He3 to make the trip to an agriculture world than it does to grow food yourself, trade will happen.

EDIT: And assuming that the clusters weren't rich or accessible enough to make them targets for the reapers, or said reapers didn't do too much damage.  To come out ahead in the galactic dark age, you need to hit the sweet spot - just advanced enough for efficient food and other necessary production, but not so advanced that you specialized away from the basics or made yourself a target for reapers.

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SOMEONE didn't think this through.

I wonder how they'll resolve this.

God, it's so dumb I can't even begin to wonder who thought this was a good idea.


Hudson.

'nuff said.  <_<

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ReXspec wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

SOMEONE didn't think this through.

I wonder how they'll resolve this.

God, it's so dumb I can't even begin to wonder who thought this was a good idea.


Walters.

'nuff said.  <_<


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"Hey guys, you know what would be REALLY artsy?"

"Destroying the galactic economy and killing thousands upon thousands of people!"

"THAT'LL DO IT."

Are they surprised that people asked questions about this? No one thought this through.

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Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.

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We're talking about colonies and such....

People are going to die.

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General User wrote...

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Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.


That someone being the Reapers, who've bombed them back to the stone age.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

We're talking about colonies and such....

People are going to die.


Most colonies are either small and on garden worlds, or extremely small and within conventional FTL range of garden worlds.

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Wulfram wrote...

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We're talking about colonies and such....

People are going to die.


Most colonies are either small and on garden worlds, or extremely small and within conventional FTL range of garden worlds.


What about running out of supplies?

Can they manufacture drive cores?

On devastated planets?

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Omanisat wrote...

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Jassu1979 wrote...

Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.


That someone being the Reapers, who've bombed them back to the stone age.


The Reapers didn't attack every single life bearing world at the same time, then proceed to cleanse said worlds of all life.

A). There aren't enough Reapers for that
B). It's impractical
C). It would take at least 100 years

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Most clusters have at least one (usually several) life bearing worlds, many of which were purposefully developed to serve as agricultural colonies. Just as others were developed to serve as industrial or resource centres.

The end of the Reaper War and the loss of the Relays means the end of galaxy-wide political and economic structures and their replacement with much more localized ones. A difficult transition perhaps, but hardly an apocalyptic one.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

We're talking about colonies and such....

People are going to die.


Most colonies are either small and on garden worlds, or extremely small and within conventional FTL range of garden worlds.


What about running out of supplies?

Can they manufacture drive cores?

On devastated planets?


The colonies don't need to manufacture anything, just grow food.

It isn't like the Reapers inhabited every single planet in the galaxy at the same time, nor did they destroy every planet (Look how long a dinky resistance held out on Earth).

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Let me address something. When I'm not working I live in Montana. I grew up around farm land.

You CANNOT grow things when your farmland is covered in ash or the soil is tainted. When Mt. St. Helens erupted we had issues.

Food is not going to grow without a GREAT deal of effort.

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Omanisat wrote...

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Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.


That someone being the Reapers, who've bombed them back to the stone age.

Hardly.  The Reapers may have destroyed infrastructure and a good deal of the local populace, but in overwhelmingly most (if not all) cases the knowledge to rebuild remains or can be easily accessed/reintroduced.

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^ That's assuming the liveships survived.

They're gigantic unarmoured targets that are so vulnerable that Geth fighter squadrons are considered a legitimate threat to them. They have heavy weaponry, sure. But how many shots will they get off before the Reapers go "Those giant things are hurting us. Make them die."


It would be kind of stupid for the quarians to send their sources of food at Cthulhu robots.


Well, they did.

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The Angry One wrote...

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^ That's assuming the liveships survived.

They're gigantic unarmoured targets that are so vulnerable that Geth fighter squadrons are considered a legitimate threat to them. They have heavy weaponry, sure. But how many shots will they get off before the Reapers go "Those giant things are hurting us. Make them die."


It would be kind of stupid for the quarians to send their sources of food at Cthulhu robots.


Well, they did.


Good point.

Granted, I never said the quarians were famed for their practical intelligence.

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So, they actually did that?

I still haven't figured out how they reproduce.

Quarians are such mysteries.

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Let me address something. When I'm not working I live in Montana. I grew up around farm land.

You CANNOT grow things when your farmland is covered in ash or the soil is tainted. When Mt. St. Helens erupted we had issues.

Food is not going to grow without a GREAT deal of effort.


Like I said, there are more planets than Reapers. It would realistically take anywhere upwards of 100 years for the Reapers to scour the galaxy of intelligent life.

It's not remotely beyond the field of belief to think there are fertile worlds that the Reapers haven't touched yet that hold a population.

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General User wrote...

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Jassu1979 wrote...

Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.


That someone being the Reapers, who've bombed them back to the stone age.

Hardly.  The Reapers may have destroyed infrastructure and a good deal of the local populace, but in overwhelmingly most (if not all) cases the knowledge to rebuild remains or can be easily accessed/reintroduced.


Who said they couldn't rebuild? I'm saying there won't be anyone to do the rebuilding.

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o Ventus wrote...

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Let me address something. When I'm not working I live in Montana. I grew up around farm land.

You CANNOT grow things when your farmland is covered in ash or the soil is tainted. When Mt. St. Helens erupted we had issues.

Food is not going to grow without a GREAT deal of effort.


Like I said, there are more planets than Reapers. It would realistically take anywhere upwards of 100 years for the Reapers to scour the galaxy of intelligent life.

It's not remotely beyond the field of belief to think there are fertile worlds that the Reapers haven't touched yet that hold a population.


I understand that, but there will be worlds that are not. That's just morbid writing and isn't very deep. It's exploitive and is meant to cause a reaction in the audience.

SUBTLE WALTERS.

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The colonies don't need to manufacture anything, just grow food.

It isn't like the Reapers inhabited every single planet in the galaxy at the same time, nor did they destroy every planet (Look how long a dinky resistance held out on Earth).


Its hard to farm without farming equipment. People need places to sleep so they will need to build homes. A method to ship the food they grow is needed. Colonies need to manufacture lots of stuff.

The Reapers did not land on every world but they did fly around destroying industrial centers. If you talk to Allers she will tell you Bekenstein got destoryed from orbit.

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Omanisat wrote...

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Now, people have talked a lot about the destruction of the relays, pondering whether their destruction would obliterate the systems they were in, hypothesizing about the potential of re-building them, arguing about whether or not the fleet in Sol system can return home, etc.

But I think few people have actually considered what cutting the supply lines like that actually means: it doesn't really matter whether the species of the galaxy will eventually be able to invent a technology that fills the gap - right there and then, it means that billions throughout the war-torn galaxy WILL die, even if the explosions were harmless.

No relays - no interstellar traffic. No interstellar traffic - no supply lines. No supply lines - billions of casualties. The worst thing that can happen to a disaster area is being cut off - and that is exactly what happens to pretty much every planet in the Mass Effect universe.

Nonsense!  Most of the population in Mass Effect lives on or about life bearing worlds.  they wouldn't die en masse unless someone kills them.


That someone being the Reapers, who've bombed them back to the stone age.

Hardly.  The Reapers may have destroyed infrastructure and a good deal of the local populace, but in overwhelmingly most (if not all) cases the knowledge to rebuild remains or can be easily accessed/reintroduced.


Who said they couldn't rebuild? I'm saying there won't be anyone to do the rebuilding.


Disproven by the sheer number of survivors left at the end of the game.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

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Taboo-XX wrote...

We're talking about colonies and such....

People are going to die.


Most colonies are either small and on garden worlds, or extremely small and within conventional FTL range of garden worlds.


What about running out of supplies?

Can they manufacture drive cores?

On devastated planets?

Heavy manufacturing and ship building are one thing, and will come in time.  But the ease and abundance of small scale manufacturing for things like tools, weapons, even computers and many consumer goods is a well established part of Mass Effect.