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[GodlessPaladin]

LiarasShield wrote...

The whole point of a rare or a ultra rare weapon is that it would do more damage then any other random weapon or it would be more effective then any weapons that are not rare or higher

I generally agree with this, but this doesn't really address or refute the arguments that people like Stardusk have been putting forward.  The argument people have been making is that it is more effective than rare or ultra-rare weapons, not that it is better than common or uncommon weapons.

LiarasShield wrote...
The Raegar Carbine at max level does not
need to be nerfed maybe add more weight to the gun but nerfing a Rare
or ultra rare weapon at max level would destroy the wole point of the
gun being a Rare weapon

And here you contradict your own argument by suggesting a nerf yourself, and I daresay a rather inelegant one at that.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 02 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

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Xaijin wrote...

The falcon is a gimmick weapon at best.

I will definately have to disagree with you.  Its crowd control and application of ammo powers is amazing.  Combine with grenades for huge explosions (Tech or Fire).  Not great at heavys, but will mow down trash like nobody's business.

[Xaijin]

Cyonan wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

It doesn't devastste anything, which is why it's a gimmick weapon. If you want to SL a pocket of enemies for then of seconds while the rest of your team actually carries you, great, good for you. I'd rather make an actual contribution, which with a gengineer and a fully amped striker comes out to about 120-160K worth of damage and enemies that never got the chance to hurt my buddies in game.

Next.

Then you're doing it wrong.

My Falcon doesn't just stunlock groups it enemies, it kills them while your Striker is still picking them off one by one.

By the time you've killed your four doods or one of your teamates has taken pity on you and done the job for you, I've already wiped out 8-10 fully shielded enemies, or quite a few more unshielded.

[N7 Spectre525]

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Xaijin wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

No, it isn't amazing, it's slow and tedious entirely contextually situational, ie a gimmick build. And any mods applied to it can be applied to a striker to make enemies actually die in a timely fashion, complete with knockback stun, just like the falcon.

The falcon is a gimmick weapon at best.

The Falcon has a bigger AoE splash as well as a higher chance of stagger.

It's an AoE weapon. It devastates crowds in a way that the Striker can only dream about doing.

It doesn't devastste anything, which is why it's a gimmick weapon. If you want to SL a pocket of enemies for then of seconds while the rest of your team actually carries you, great, good for you. I'd rather make an actual contribution, which with a gengineer and a fully amped striker comes out to about 120-160K worth of damage and enemies that never got the chance to hurt my buddies in game.

Next.

Seriously? 

Do you really think damage is the only thing in the game that matters? Then you must think stasis,Geth engineer turret, Utility cloak, Charge, and Defensive AR are all useless. 

CC Learn it, use it, win. 

The falcon can keep an platoon of phantoms at bay keeping you and your team alive. If you don't think that's a contribution then i think you've got a problem rather than the falcon.

[dream3873]

To all the Pro nerfers. So when you say to nerf something I assume you have asked the majority of players if they agree? Why should your recommendation carry more weight than some ones else? I swear every Gold game I have been playing with randoms the win to loss ratio has been the same. There has been no ease of Gold or speed runs and such. The instances and videos you see of those are with pretty good damn players with max equipment on etc.

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Xaijin wrote...


By the time you've killed your four doods or one of your teamates has taken pity on you and done the job for you, I've already wiped out 8-10 fully shielded enemies, or quite a few more unshielded.

Ah, ok.  So you just use the falcon wrong.

[Xaijin]

newman982 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

The falcon is a gimmick weapon at best.

I will definately have to disagree with you.  Its crowd control and application of ammo powers is amazing.  Combine with grenades for huge explosions (Tech or Fire).  Not great at heavys, but will mow down trash like nobody's business.

Point being if you have skill at aiming and weapon control the striker has done the same work in third of the time.

Context is king.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

[whalewhisker]

Xaijin wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

It doesn't devastste anything, which is why it's a gimmick weapon. If you want to SL a pocket of enemies for then of seconds while the rest of your team actually carries you, great, good for you. I'd rather make an actual contribution, which with a gengineer and a fully amped striker comes out to about 120-160K worth of damage and enemies that never got the chance to hurt my buddies in game.

Next.

Then you're doing it wrong.

My Falcon doesn't just stunlock groups it enemies, it kills them while your Striker is still picking them off one by one.

By the time you've killed your four doods or one of your teamates has taken pity on you and done the job for you, I've already wiped out 8-10 fully shielded enemies, or quite a few more unshielded.

OOOOOOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOoo what a badass.

[Xaijin]

Seriously? 

Do you really think damage is the only thing in the game that matters? Then you must think stasis,Geth engineer turret, Utility cloak, Charge, and Defensive AR are all useless. 

CC Learn it, use it, win. 

The falcon can keep an platoon of phantoms at bay keeping you and your team alive. If you don't think that's a contribution then i think you've got a problem rather than the falcon.

No, I think versatility and utility matter more than a fancy parlor trick, and the striker is more than capable of wiping three phantoms in rather short order, because it will cause almost as much stun in same space, with more chances for it at a higher rate of dps.

Pretty much the same reason a carnifex is picked over a viper, and a Black Widow is valued over a Widow. One has more utility and versatility than the other, objectively speaking.

Modifié par Xaijin, 02 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

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whalewhisker wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

It doesn't devastste anything, which is why it's a gimmick weapon. If you want to SL a pocket of enemies for then of seconds while the rest of your team actually carries you, great, good for you. I'd rather make an actual contribution, which with a gengineer and a fully amped striker comes out to about 120-160K worth of damage and enemies that never got the chance to hurt my buddies in game.

Next.

Then you're doing it wrong.

My Falcon doesn't just stunlock groups it enemies, it kills them while your Striker is still picking them off one by one.

By the time you've killed your four doods or one of your teamates has taken pity on you and done the job for you, I've already wiped out 8-10 fully shielded enemies, or quite a few more unshielded.

OOOOOOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOoo what a badass.

 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

dream3873 wrote...

To all the Pro nerfers. So when you say to nerf something I assume you have asked the majority of players if they agree? Why should your recommendation carry more weight than some ones else?

Stopped reading there because this is what i want to respond to.

Our reccomendation should carry more weight if our arguement is better. Plain and simple. 

[gimmethegepgun]

Could people arguing about Striker vs Falcon take it to another thread?

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Could people complaining about people talking about Striker vs Falcon take that to another thread?

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

^ was that intended? or just a weird coincidence?

[JC_aka_fps_john]

I just used the Reegar for the first time on a Batarian Sentinel on Silver. It was killing things like nobody's business, far faster than any other gun could. It was so easy it just wasn't fun.

It needs a serious, brutal nerfing. It needs its damage reducing, and its weight increasing. Two thirds as much DPS and the same weight as the claymore would be more fair

[N7 Spectre525]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

 Like I really give a damn what you think of my maturity. Im sick to death of this nerfing craze that some of you players are on. I mean god damn, the dlc has been out for 4 days and most of the community hasn't even unlocked these weapons, yet the leets are already calling for nerfs. 
Like I said you make me sick.

[gimmethegepgun]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

 Like I really give a damn what you think of my maturity. Im sick to death of this nerfing craze that some of you players are on. I mean god damn, the dlc has been out for 4 days and most of the community hasn't even unlocked these weapons, yet the leets are already calling for nerfs. 
Like I said you make me sick.

Because the people who HAVE had it for those 4 days are categorically incapable of forming their own opinions on the matter until everyone else gets access to the weapon.

[N7 Spectre525]

gimmethegepgun wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

 Like I really give a damn what you think of my maturity. Im sick to death of this nerfing craze that some of you players are on. I mean god damn, the dlc has been out for 4 days and most of the community hasn't even unlocked these weapons, yet the leets are already calling for nerfs. 
Like I said you make me sick.

Because the people who HAVE had it for those 4 days are categorically incapable of forming their own opinions on the matter until everyone else gets access to the weapon.

Opinions fine. But thread after thread after thread of the same people asking for nerfs is obnoxious. Let some of the other members have a go before you all lobby to get it castrated.

[gimmethegepgun]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

gimmethegepgun wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

 Like I really give a damn what you think of my maturity. Im sick to death of this nerfing craze that some of you players are on. I mean god damn, the dlc has been out for 4 days and most of the community hasn't even unlocked these weapons, yet the leets are already calling for nerfs. 
Like I said you make me sick.

Because the people who HAVE had it for those 4 days are categorically incapable of forming their own opinions on the matter until everyone else gets access to the weapon.

Opinions fine. But thread after thread after thread of the same people asking for nerfs is obnoxious. Let some of the other members have a go before you all lobby to get it castrated.

Would you feel the same way about threads asking for a weapon to get improved if people thought it was garbage when it was released?

[Xaijin]

I just used the Reegar for the first time on a Batarian Sentinel on Silver. It was killing things like nobody's business, far faster than any other gun could. It was so easy it just wasn't fun.

1. Silver.

2. The Hurricane, Widow, Black Widow, Graal, GPS, Wraith, Talon, Harrier and Krysae would like a word with you out back.

Modifié par Xaijin, 02 juin 2012 - 08:45 .

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Xaijin wrote...

2. The Hurricane, Widow, Black Widow, Graal, GPS, Wraith, Talon, Harrier and Krysae would like a word with you out back. 

Those weapons go out back and have their collective butts kicked by the reegar.

[N7 Spectre525]

gimmethegepgun wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

gimmethegepgun wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Whiny self entitled brats that want to **** up everyone's joy. As if the game was made just for you. ****ing nerf fanantics make me sick.

Mature. 

 Like I really give a damn what you think of my maturity. Im sick to death of this nerfing craze that some of you players are on. I mean god damn, the dlc has been out for 4 days and most of the community hasn't even unlocked these weapons, yet the leets are already calling for nerfs. 
Like I said you make me sick.

Because the people who HAVE had it for those 4 days are categorically incapable of forming their own opinions on the matter until everyone else gets access to the weapon.

Opinions fine. But thread after thread after thread of the same people asking for nerfs is obnoxious. Let some of the other members have a go before you all lobby to get it castrated.

Would you feel the same way about threads asking for a weapon to get improved if people thought it was garbage when it was released?

 Dont deflect the subject. Most of the guns are **** as it is, wtf is wrong with working to get a rare weapon that actually has a reason to be rare...

[cronshaw]

The reason people want nerfs is because it bothers them to see people doing well in the game with guns/abilities/classes they don't think take skill.