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[SoulBlazer]

On nightmare, have AI favor light and robe users instead of Heavy armor.


That tweak would make the game considerably harder!

[Darth_Shizz]

I kinda doubt that it would, seeing as the effect armour has on overall threat isn't that great. Even if this were changed, taunt would still be as powerful as it is now...all in all, it'd be a rather pointless tweak.

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SoulBlazer wrote...

On nightmare, have AI favor light and robe users instead of Heavy armor.


That tweak would make the game considerably harder!

I think they like to bee line for mages on nightmare already. Not everytime but happens often enough (I finished 3 characters on nightmare). A little bit harder, not a lot though.

[Cybercat999]

I wish they would add somewhat better loot tables on nightmare.

[Skellimancer]

SoulBlazer wrote...

On nightmare, have AI favor light and robe users instead of Heavy armor.


That tweak would make the game considerably harder!

then all mages will end up AW.

[Sarevok Anchev]

"HEY GRAK YOU SEE THIS TINY LITTLE MAGE? - YEAH! - C'MON LETS KILL HIM FIRST -

YEAH, WE MUST PASS THE THREE BRUTAL WARRIORS AND GET SOME REALLY LETHAL HITS, BECAUSE WE IGNORE THEM, BUT OKAY, THATS OUR NIGHTMARISH INTELLIGENCE MWAHAHHA!!"



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[SoulBlazer]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

"HEY GRAK YOU SEE THIS TINY LITTLE MAGE? - YEAH! - C'MON LETS KILL HIM FIRST -
YEAH, WE MUST PASS THE THREE BRUTAL WARRIORS AND GET SOME REALLY LETHAL HITS, BECAUSE WE IGNORE THEM, BUT OKAY, THATS OUR NIGHTMARISH INTELLIGENCE MWAHAHHA!!"

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Dont be reidiculous, it is always a winning strategy to kill the mage/healer first.

Besides your example is lame.. there are tons of archer mobs in the game, having them all assist on the robe users to maximize their damage is the smart thing to do.  This forces the player to keep the mage under cover and not get into key position to lob a fireball or cone of cold.

Mobs need to punish casters more then they do on hard/nightmare .. poor ai is one of the reasons why people cry about mages being OP.

Modifié par SoulBlazer, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

SoulBlazer wrote...

Dont be reidiculous, it is always a winning strategy to kill the mage/healer first.

Besides your example is lame.. there are tons of archer mobs in the game, having them all assist on the robe users to maximize their damage is the smart thing to do.  This forces the player to keep the mage under cover and not get into key position to lob a fireball or cone of cold.

Mobs need to punish casters more then they do on hard/nightmare .. poor ai is one of the reasons why people cry about mages being OP.

As has been said before, attacking an Arcane Warrior first is not a winning strategy - just a way to lose quicker.  The winning strategy would be to focus attacks and use burst damage more effectively.

[Planetshooter]

All these ideas to make the game harder, easier, more balanced, less nerfed, more nerfed, better AI, etc. etc. .... what you're really asking for is a human opponent controlling the bad guys. Feel free to quote me and tell me I'm talking out of my a55, but the alternative is that you're asking for *your* idea of the perfect game, not necessarily everyone else's. Personally, I think a hardcore death=death mode would be nice for all the "I soloed it on nightmare" heroes.

[SoulBlazer]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

SoulBlazer wrote...

Dont be reidiculous, it is always a winning strategy to kill the mage/healer first.

Besides your example is lame.. there are tons of archer mobs in the game, having them all assist on the robe users to maximize their damage is the smart thing to do.  This forces the player to keep the mage under cover and not get into key position to lob a fireball or cone of cold.

Mobs need to punish casters more then they do on hard/nightmare .. poor ai is one of the reasons why people cry about mages being OP.

As has been said before, attacking an Arcane Warrior first is not a winning strategy - just a way to lose quicker.  The winning strategy would be to focus attacks and use burst damage more effectively.

Arcane warrior is the exception to the situation not the rule.  You are going to see more people in spirit healer / blood mage traditional setups then AW due to AW's fatigue costs and fairly unique style of play.

That being said i agree that the AI assisting and using burst damage more effectively is important.

[DragoonKain3]

Nah, starting aggro focusing on the heavies rather than lights is not gonna work. Not when Taunt is so ridiculously powerful.



I should know... my tank wore light armor the whole game, and had no problems keeping aggro to himself.

[SoulBlazer]

DragoonKain3 wrote...

Nah, starting aggro focusing on the heavies rather than lights is not gonna work. Not when Taunt is so ridiculously powerful.

I should know... my tank wore light armor the whole game, and had no problems keeping aggro to himself.

Tank has to get in range to fire taunt, archers can agro the mages once they get into perception and assist on it to squish it.

[DragoonKain3]

Archers just pwn you regardless with multiple Scattershots though; it doesn't matter who they shoot at lol.



Seriously, note that Taunt's AoE is pretty large. It's twice the size of Holy Smite centred on caster, and the same size as a War Cry. It will catch the attention of most people you see within the GUI if you centre tactical view on top of your tank. For vast majority of situations, you will catch the attention of almost everyone in the vicinity, archers included.



In any case, note I did say my tank wore light armor. As such, he really had no advantage in terms of intial aggro, and I still didn't have problems keeping aggro on him and off my mages.

[Bluesmith]

I came here expecting a potion cooldown thread.

[Gliese]

Bluesmith wrote...

I came here expecting a potion cooldown thread.

Yeah there's been some talk about it, sadly I can't find any mod that deals with it so far.

[LynxAQ]

There is a difference between making a game harder and making the game annoying. If every mob on nightmare just ran after your mage (considering the size of some packs of mob AND considering melee mobs can't attack moving mobs in this game 99% of the time) the change you ask would be an annoying one, not a difficulty one.



The result would be people having nothing but AW + whatever varieties, and your rogues and warriors all running around in heavy armour. Taunt would make your change pointless as well.

[Sarevok Anchev]

SoulBlazer wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

"HEY GRAK YOU SEE THIS TINY LITTLE MAGE? - YEAH! - C'MON LETS KILL HIM FIRST -
YEAH, WE MUST PASS THE THREE BRUTAL WARRIORS AND GET SOME REALLY LETHAL HITS, BECAUSE WE IGNORE THEM, BUT OKAY, THATS OUR NIGHTMARISH INTELLIGENCE MWAHAHHA!!"

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Dont be reidiculous, it is always a winning strategy to kill the mage/healer first.

Besides your example is lame.. there are tons of archer mobs in the game, having them all assist on the robe users to maximize their damage is the smart thing to do.  This forces the player to keep the mage under cover and not get into key position to lob a fireball or cone of cold.

Mobs need to punish casters more then they do on hard/nightmare .. poor ai is one of the reasons why people cry about mages being OP.

But thats the point in my sarcastic post!
You arent asking for AI, but for a Script.
This game has already some tactical inconsistency, because you dont have the 3rd edition D&D "Attacks of Opportunity". And you dont have "Physical Space Occupation; this means you cant block enemys in a doorway, they will just "pop through" your space.

I like the "physical" shootlines for Arrows: They wont hit you behind cover.
And for real tactics a armored Warrior would block arrows that go on a "beeline" towards Mages in the backline.


I have no problem with better Scripting and AI, but that doesnt seem fitting with the idea of "C'mon Grak, let us ignore all dangers on the way, because there will be no AoO and Football-Blocking".

As long as there arent such factors, which make up for REAL tactical depth and logic, you shouldnt ask for such Scripts, it will make the games annoying and not better/re-balanced.

[Ranik15]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

SoulBlazer wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

"HEY GRAK YOU SEE THIS TINY LITTLE MAGE? - YEAH! - C'MON LETS KILL HIM FIRST -
YEAH, WE MUST PASS THE THREE BRUTAL WARRIORS AND GET SOME REALLY LETHAL HITS, BECAUSE WE IGNORE THEM, BUT OKAY, THATS OUR NIGHTMARISH INTELLIGENCE MWAHAHHA!!"

*g

Dont be reidiculous, it is always a winning strategy to kill the mage/healer first.

Besides your example is lame.. there are tons of archer mobs in the game, having them all assist on the robe users to maximize their damage is the smart thing to do.  This forces the player to keep the mage under cover and not get into key position to lob a fireball or cone of cold.

Mobs need to punish casters more then they do on hard/nightmare .. poor ai is one of the reasons why people cry about mages being OP.

But thats the point in my sarcastic post!
You arent asking for AI, but for a Script.
This game has already some tactical inconsistency, because you dont have the 3rd edition D&D "Attacks of Opportunity". And you dont have "Physical Space Occupation; this means you cant block enemys in a doorway, they will just "pop through" your space.

I like the "physical" shootlines for Arrows: They wont hit you behind cover.
And for real tactics a armored Warrior would block arrows that go on a "beeline" towards Mages in the backline.


I have no problem with better Scripting and AI, but that doesnt seem fitting with the idea of "C'mon Grak, let us ignore all dangers on the way, because there will be no AoO and Football-Blocking".

As long as there arent such factors, which make up for REAL tactical depth and logic, you shouldnt ask for such Scripts, it will make the games annoying and not better/re-balanced.

I wanted to point out how awesome your name and forum avatar is, and that I agree with you as well.

[Sarevok Anchev]

Well... thanks Ranik15 ^^
I still need some minions for my Appearance in BGIII; Tazok disappeared into nowhere :/
Wanna have his place? Good payment and health insurance(at least till the hero appears)

For all others: "FEEL MY UNHOLY WRATH!"

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Modifié par Sarevok Anchev, 12 décembre 2009 - 02:16 .