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[Taboo]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The breath scene is an easter egg.

Not anymore. It's been clarified that Shepard survives the Destroy ending.

[Rococo Feathersworth]

In the end, there was no option to let you just stop the war, I believe "Control", ultimately is the only ethical option.

Destroy would not merely destroy the reapers, but also all other synthetic life form in the galaxy, that means Geth, EDI, and perhaps certain type of VI are all going to be destroyed. This undermines all of my effort on Ronnach, bring peace between Quarian and the Geth. Further more, despite what they are doing, Reapers are still a sentient species, to allow an entire species to be destroyed is a tragedy, especially considering the fact that they are representative of past species in which they were made from.

Synthesis on the other hand is also a betrayal of my efforts, the whole reason that we started this fight is to preserve our rights to choose our own futures, I don't believe a single individual have the right to choose for the rest of the galaxy what their future may takes form. To do so without having have the rest of the species choose to allow it, would be no different than what the reapers setting out to accomplish. Further more, as has stated by Legion before, by simply accepting the solution presented by the reapers, blind you to the alternatives, and what Mordin have lamented what has been done to the Protheons, the "universe demanded diversity". Who knows what challenge we might face ahead? As has Jarvik has stated, our different approach to problems might be our only chance, this might hold true in the future.

This would leave control, which is in a sense a status quo decision. Although it is only chosen in absence of better options.

Modifié par Rococo Feathersworth, 03 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[Taboo]

The only things that perish in Destroy are Synthetics. That's it.

Technology remains intact.

You have more incentive to choose Destroy if the Geth are dead already.

[Zix13]

Control is stupid. Too likely to fail and get everyone killed.

[Village_Idiot]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have more incentive to choose Destroy if the Geth are dead already.

Very true. My personal belief is the Reapers are far safer removed from the equation altogether. Control has too many unknowns to consider.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 03 juin 2012 - 01:31 .

[xsdob]

At least the fans have saren on their side.

[Taboo]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have more incentive to choose Destroy if the Geth are dead already.

Very true. My personal belief is the Reapers are far safer removed from the equation altogether. Control has too many unknowns to consider.

Surviving is just a plus. People seem to think I move towards Destroy for that reason.

No.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have more incentive to choose Destroy if the Geth are dead already.

Very true. My personal belief is the Reapers are far safer removed from the equation altogether. Control has too many unknowns to consider.

Surviving is just a plus. People seem to think I move towards Destroy for that reason.

No.

I like having Shepard survive but I will always choose destroy because that is what I set out to do from Mass Effect 1.

[wraithofblades]

xsdob wrote...

I like and chose control and no it's not the only option, all of them are valid.

Illusive Man is real? Control as you put it assumes humanity controls the reapers and not a kind of Shepard hive mind. Who is to say eventually the Reapers themselves become a dictatorial force in the galaxy? 

[Omanisat]

Why do you argue with this guy? You won't win, and he'll just post some variation of this exact topic tomorrow.

[Village_Idiot]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Surviving is just a plus. People seem to think I move towards Destroy for that reason.

No.

May have something to do with you banner maybe?

But I agree. Regardless of the Geth's survival, it's the only feasible option. Far too little information regarding the other two (though EC may change that, who knows.)  Shepard's survival is inconsequential, though admittedly a nice bonus.

[xsdob]

wraithofblades wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I like and chose control and no it's not the only option, all of them are valid.

Illusive Man is real? Control as you put it assumes humanity controls the reapers and not a kind of Shepard hive mind. Who is to say eventually the Reapers themselves become a dictatorial force in the galaxy? 

I assume they do not, you assume they do, neither of us is right or wrong until we get clarification on this matter.

It's a schrödinger's cat conundrum.

Here, have some khorne flakes and relax.



They're using a new recipe, now it doesn't get soggy in your enemies blood as quickly.

Modifié par xsdob, 03 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[Taboo]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


Surviving is just a plus. People seem to think I move towards Destroy for that reason.

No.

May have something to do with you banner maybe?

But I agree. Regardless of the Geth's survival, it's the only feasible option. Far too little information regarding the other two (though EC may change that, who knows.)  Shepard's survival is inconsequential, though admittedly a nice bonus.

My motives are my own but yes, my banner has a tendency to share more than I usually would.

However, I don't ever see myself picking the others. It's the only thing that has any bearing on the stories lore. The other two just come out of thin air.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[wraithofblades]

xsdob wrote...

wraithofblades wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I like and chose control and no it's not the only option, all of them are valid.

Illusive Man is real? Control as you put it assumes humanity controls the reapers and not a kind of Shepard hive mind. Who is to say eventually the Reapers themselves become a dictatorial force in the galaxy? 

I assume they do not, you assume they do, neither of us is right or wrong until we get clarification on this matter.

It's a schrödinger's cat conundrum.

Here, have some khorne flakes and relax.



They're using a new recipe, now it doesn't get soggy in your enemies blood as quickly.

And now I have a new wallpaper. Cheers! I don't assume much about the endings, but I do enjoy trying to add to the discussion. But seriously I would love to know how the magic works in control and synthesis. Or how an energy wave in destroy doesn't wipe out everything in existence. The main thing about control for me is it isn't what I set out to do in ME1. I want to wipe the Reapers from the galaxy. 

[Village_Idiot]

Taboo-XX wrote...

However, I don't ever see myself picking the others. It's the only thing that has any bearing on the stories lore. The other two just come out of thin air.

The two other endings did have the potential to be more relevant, but unfortunately the execution was somewhat ham-fisted in my opinion.

The idea of Synthesis is alluded to in ME1, and subsequently vanishes completely from the series right until its finale. Had the synthetic/organic conflict been given more screentime and expanded upon, Synthesis wouldn't seem so out of place (though admittedly this doesn't dilute it moral ramifications.)

Similarly, the idea of Control doesn't surface until our first encounter with TIM in ME3. Had ME2 portrayed him in a more megalomaniacal fashion this would have made more thematic sense, but TIM always struck me as more of a manipulative "chessmaster" archtype. The character change can always be explained away as "indoctrination", but this is lazy writing and again, makes the idea of Control seem to have come out of the blue.

[Taboo]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

However, I don't ever see myself picking the others. It's the only thing that has any bearing on the stories lore. The other two just come out of thin air.

The two other endings did have the potential to be more relevant, but unfortunately the execution was somewhat ham-fisted in my opinion.

The idea of Synthesis is alluded to in ME1, and subsequently vanishes completely from the series right until its finale. Had the synthetic/organic conflict been given more screentime and expanded upon, Synthesis wouldn't seem so out of place (though admittedly this doesn't dilute it moral ramifications.)

Similarly, the idea of Control doesn't surface until our first encounter with TIM in ME3. Had ME2 portrayed him in a more megalomaniacal fashion this would have made more thematic sense, but TIM always struck me as more of a manipulative "chessmaster" archtype. The character change can always be explained away as "indoctrination", but this is lazy writing and again, makes the idea of Control seem to have come out of the blue.

I suppose. That's the issue here is that Synthesis really only has one instance beforehand. A pity Bioware chose not to explore it further past the person who represented it most, Saren.

As for Control, I've never really been fond of the Illusive Man's methods regardless of who he is fighting for. Control is an unknown.

The real joke is that Bioware has created a massive bias here. People will still choose Destroy because the other two options were painted as ugly to begin with. No amount of information will make them choose the other two.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[Village_Idiot]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The real joke is that Bioware has created a massive bias here. People will still choose Destroy because the other two options were painted as ugly to begin with. No amount of information will make them choose the other two.

Not to mention that Shepard's survival will undoubtedly influence many people, and I can't say I blame them; Mass Effect has always been about its characters, and when people have put their Shepard through several circles of hell and suddenly get faced with the prospect of them kicking the bucket, it is quite difficult to put things in perspective. "The death of one man is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" comes to mind.

I'd like to think my decision was made on a more rational basis, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bothered by the potential of my Shepards dying. I still stand by Destroy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

For instance, it's possible that in Destroy anyone with cybernetics (e.g. the salarian transhumans, that soldier in Huerta Memorial who lost his leg) will die like Shepard is supposed to.

I can guarantee this: if they do this to the series, the entire series gets traded in and I will never buy another Bioware game again. Period. This would be the "wiping our asses" ending. This pretty much destroys about 80% of organic civilization since everyone has some augmentation of some sort by this time. This would be literally forcing everyone to choose Synthesis or Control.

But seriously I don't think this will happen. Weekes isn't going to do this. He knows this would spell disaster. And EA isn't going to stand for having a potential cash cow killed off.

They've also got to balance everything out. Seriously. This destroying the mass relays is bull****.

Or not do any of the scanning for resources and just do the bare minimum to get under 2000 TMA, disconnect internet access, then launch the Cronos mission; save the Geth (kill the Quarians) then select Destroy, turn earth into a brick as well as pretty much every single civilization. You might as well give the last great act of defiance before going down.

[Catamantaloedis]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The real joke is that Bioware has created a massive bias here. People will still choose Destroy because the other two options were painted as ugly to begin with. No amount of information will make them choose the other two.

Not to mention that Shepard's survival will undoubtedly influence many people, and I can't say I blame them; Mass Effect has always been about its characters, and when people have put their Shepard through several circles of hell and suddenly get faced with the prospect of them kicking the bucket, it is quite difficult to put things in perspective. "The death of one man is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" comes to mind.

I'd like to think my decision was made on a more rational basis, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bothered by the potential of my Shepards dying. I still stand by Destroy.

Shepard's death is immaterial in relation to the fate of the galaxy. Additionally, in Control, one can wonder if Shepard truly died at all.

[ReXspec]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Oh look another SPIDERMAN THREAD.

Fixed that for ya.

Shall we, gentlemen?

In one of my other topics, 10 people were banned for posting images. I wish you well.

As I am well aware.  You were the little f*ck that got butthurt over the fact that I was derailing your troll thread rather than acting like a child and complaining to the moderators and playing "mommy and daddy" games.

So, yeah.  I guess you got a paltry victory out of getting me banned for 24 hours.

/golfclap

I geuss the internet is serious f*cking business, right?

[Catamantaloedis]

ReXspec wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Oh look another SPIDERMAN THREAD.

Fixed that for ya.

Shall we, gentlemen?

In one of my other topics, 10 people were banned for posting images. I wish you well.

As I am well aware.  You were the little f*ck that got butthurt over the fact that I was derailing your troll thread rather than acting like a child and complaining to the moderators and playing "mommy and daddy" games.

So, yeah.  I guess you got a paltry victory out of getting me banned for 24 hours.

/golfclap

I geuss the internet is serious f*cking business, right?

I never complained to the moderators. They saw themselves that your posts of you and your compatriots were those of deviates.

You however seem to be taking the situation very serious, so I guess the Internet is very serious for you. 

[o Ventus]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The real joke is that Bioware has created a massive bias here. People will still choose Destroy because the other two options were painted as ugly to begin with. No amount of information will make them choose the other two.

Not to mention that Shepard's survival will undoubtedly influence many people, and I can't say I blame them; Mass Effect has always been about its characters, and when people have put their Shepard through several circles of hell and suddenly get faced with the prospect of them kicking the bucket, it is quite difficult to put things in perspective. "The death of one man is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" comes to mind.

I'd like to think my decision was made on a more rational basis, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bothered by the potential of my Shepards dying. I still stand by Destroy.

Shepard's death is immaterial in relation to the fate of the galaxy. Additionally, in Control, one can wonder if Shepard truly died at all.

The Catalyst explicitly says "you will die".

There's no real way around that.

[ReXspec]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Oh look another SPIDERMAN THREAD.

Fixed that for ya.

Shall we, gentlemen?

In one of my other topics, 10 people were banned for posting images. I wish you well.

As I am well aware.  You were the little f*ck that got butthurt over the fact that I was derailing your troll thread rather than acting like a child and complaining to the moderators and playing "mommy and daddy" games.

So, yeah.  I guess you got a paltry victory out of getting me banned for 24 hours.

/golfclap

I geuss the internet is serious f*cking business, right?

I never complained to the moderators. They saw themselves that your posts of you and your compatriots were those of deviates.

You however seem to be taking the situation very serious, so I guess the Internet is very serious for you. 

Uh-huh, sure.  Degrade the argument by deflecting my statement and lying.  That's fine.  I'm sure your re-used logic still tastes great after you have drank it, pissed it out and drank it again, even after someone has told you your logic is ******.

Grow-up, dude.  Seriously, learn how to troll.  Go back to 4chan.  You are obviously not welcome here.

[Catamantaloedis]

o Ventus wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The real joke is that Bioware has created a massive bias here. People will still choose Destroy because the other two options were painted as ugly to begin with. No amount of information will make them choose the other two.

Not to mention that Shepard's survival will undoubtedly influence many people, and I can't say I blame them; Mass Effect has always been about its characters, and when people have put their Shepard through several circles of hell and suddenly get faced with the prospect of them kicking the bucket, it is quite difficult to put things in perspective. "The death of one man is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" comes to mind.

I'd like to think my decision was made on a more rational basis, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bothered by the potential of my Shepards dying. I still stand by Destroy.

Shepard's death is immaterial in relation to the fate of the galaxy. Additionally, in Control, one can wonder if Shepard truly died at all.

The Catalyst explicitly says "you will die".

There's no real way around that.

Kid: You will die; you will control us but you will lose everything you have.
Sheperd: But the Reapers will obey me?
Kid: Yes.

Obviously Shepard isn't completely dead, or must still exist in some form. And even if he is "dead", it doesn't really matter. Good will be done for humanity.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 03 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[Catamantaloedis]

ReXspec wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Oh look another SPIDERMAN THREAD.

Fixed that for ya.

Shall we, gentlemen?

In one of my other topics, 10 people were banned for posting images. I wish you well.

As I am well aware.  You were the little f*ck that got butthurt over the fact that I was derailing your troll thread rather than acting like a child and complaining to the moderators and playing "mommy and daddy" games.

So, yeah.  I guess you got a paltry victory out of getting me banned for 24 hours.

/golfclap

I geuss the internet is serious f*cking business, right?

I never complained to the moderators. They saw themselves that your posts of you and your compatriots were those of deviates.

You however seem to be taking the situation very serious, so I guess the Internet is very serious for you. 

Uh-huh, sure.  Degrade the argument by deflecting my statement and lying.  That's fine.  I'm sure your re-used logic still tastes great after you have drank it, pissed it out and drank it again, even after someone has told you your logic is ******.

Grow-up, dude.  Seriously, learn how to troll.  Go back to 4chan.  You are obviously not welcome here.

Never been to 4chan. Have no plans to go. 
I'll go to what websites I choose, my good sir. Whether I am welcome or not is irrelevant. Thank you.

You seem awfully upset about your 24 hour ban.  Have you considered lying down and drinking some hot tea?

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 03 juin 2012 - 03:46 .