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[Elhanan]

Rockworm503 wrote...

You sound like a parrot just saying the same thing everyone else says.
Nothing you have said is new to me.  Furthermore I didn't say anything to the contrary.

And is insulting to suggest EA doesn't get rid of their companies.  Its happening now they get rid of the entire ToR team?  What you think their gonna hire them back?  You can kid yourself all you want but Bioware is on borrowed time I'm honestly surprised they've lasted this long after the ME3 debacle.

I understand your a "true fan" so I'm not even gonna waste my time with the rest of it.

Not a parrot; a free thinking fan that simply refususes to jump on the bashing bandwagon with so many others. Enjoy the ride; simply do not expect it to finish intact.

I have personally been through a few company changes, and though there were struggles, it ended well for me. I hated losing friends, but generally those that were mishandled saw the ones that caused the problems lose their jobs by doing so.

The TOR team in Austin did lose some folks. But from what I understand, the remaining team is still huge. And it is still in Austin; only one of several Bioware offices over the globe. Not bad at all considering this growth occured over the past 12+ yrs.

And the ME3 debacle is more on the so-called fans; not Bioware or EA. If kids do not like the dessert offered, they should skip it; not expect fresh desserts from their nanny. The Bandwagon comes off as entitled whining infants, and does not deserve consideration at all. But Bioware will simply because they do care about all their clients; not just the fans.

Note: A key to escaping depression is to avoid self-focus, and expand the vision to others beyond personal needs.

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[AtreiyaN7]

They're a company like any other company and want to make money, which isn't something that I have a problem with per se. I'm currently reading an interesting book called Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power, which is about, duh, a behemoth in the oil industry. One of the things that I found amusing was reading about their PR Issues and problems with the public's perception of them. Hohoho, I could immediately see a parallel with the behavior of gamers in relation to EA when it comes to matters of public perception, corporate image & public relations (the lack of good public relations specifically).

I'm environmentally minded and have no particular love for ExxonMobil, but I'm not going to flip out over the company doing what it was created to do (seek out oil). It's the nature of the economy and our current need for fossil fuels - it's necessary even if it's not necessarily desirable. I'm starting to think that raging by the public to any major corporate entity is some sort of default response if/when something goes wrong and rubs the end consumer the wrong way. In the case of EA, that would be any attempts to create new revenue streams/generate profit and putting out a game that somehow disappoints them in some way. It seems magnitudes for some reason, possibly because some fans are completely obsessed with certain games and can react disproportionately to a problem or issue (or they're straight-up nuts).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 03 juin 2012 - 08:46 .

[Morroian]

Rockworm503 wrote...

And is insulting to suggest EA doesn't get rid of their companies.  Its happening now they get rid of the entire ToR team? 

The entire TOR team? Reasonable estimates are 150 people out of maybe 450. Given the downward trends in subs and developments elsewhere in EA it was simply a business decision.

[termokanden]

I tend to agree with Elhanan on this.

I don't blindly believe everything EA is doing is for the good of their fans. Of course not, it is a business after all. There are many EA decisions I disagree with as well.

However, I do not understand how it makes it any better to sit on their forums and constantly bash the developers, sometimes even personally. All the non-constructive criticism that goes on here not only annoys people who just want to talk about games they like to play, it also overshadows the actual constructive criticism.

[ObserverStatus]

[quote]bobobo878 wrote...

like banning people from ToR for making money without questing[/quote]
Uhm. What.
[/quote]
Apparently some people have claimed to have been banned from ToR for things like trying to resell commodities on the auction house and farming mobs.

[termokanden]

Say what now? I thought that was normal behavior in an MMO? I hope that isn't true

[Chromie]

[quote]bobobo878 wrote...

[quote]bobobo878 wrote...

like banning people from ToR for making money without questing[/quote]
Uhm. What.
[/quote]
Apparently some people have claimed to have been banned from ToR for things like trying to resell commodities on the auction house and farming mobs.

[/quote]

Banned for farming chest spawns even /facepalm

[MichaelStuart]

I have no real opinion of EA, other than they have made some poor business decisions, but that's easy to say with hindsight.

[termokanden]

Oh the chest spawns? That had to do with some low-level characters running around in high-level areas farming chests. I'm guessing some of them were banned because they cheated to actually get there before it's even possible. As I remember it, a lot of them did actually cheat to get there.

Of course the ones that didn't cheat to get there didn't deserve to be banned. If they put treasures out in the open, they shouldn't be surprised if someone grabs them.

[Chromie]

termokanden wrote...
Of course the ones that didn't cheat to get there didn't deserve to be banned. If they put treasures out in the open, they shouldn't be surprised if someone grabs them.

Well how exactly do you cheat? People simply got their ships and traveled to Ilum because mobs didn't guard chests. A low level character farming a chest and then recieving a ban sounds very stupid.

[termokanden]

It does. But I read that characters below level 10 were farming chests. As far as I'm aware, there's no way to get a ship at that level. Then again, people claim all sorts of things that aren't true.

Again, anyone who simply went there legitimately obviously didn't deserve to be banned.

Modifié par termokanden, 03 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[Sajji]

Elhanan wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

You sound like a parrot just saying the same thing everyone else says.
Nothing you have said is new to me.  Furthermore I didn't say anything to the contrary.

And is insulting to suggest EA doesn't get rid of their companies.  Its happening now they get rid of the entire ToR team?  What you think their gonna hire them back?  You can kid yourself all you want but Bioware is on borrowed time I'm honestly surprised they've lasted this long after the ME3 debacle.

I understand your a "true fan" so I'm not even gonna waste my time with the rest of it.

Not a parrot; a free thinking fan that simply refususes to jump on the bashing bandwagon with so many others. Enjoy the ride; simply do not expect it to finish intact.

I have personally been through a few company changes, and though there were struggles, it ended well for me. I hated losing friends, but generally those that were mishandled saw the ones that caused the problems lose their jobs by doing so.

The TOR team in Austin did lose some folks. But from what I understand, the remaining team is still huge. And it is still in Austin; only one of several Bioware offices over the globe. Not bad at all considering this growth occured over the past 12+ yrs.

And the ME3 debacle is more on the so-called fans; not Bioware or EA. If kids do not like the dessert offered, they should skip it; not expect fresh desserts from their nanny. The Bandwagon comes off as entitled whining infants, and does not deserve consideration at all. But Bioware will simply because they do care about all their clients; not just the fans.

Note: A key to escaping depression is to avoid self-focus, and expand the vision to others beyond personal needs.

On so-called fans? Hey, anybody have those quotes from Hudson and crew on what ME3's ending would and wouldn't be like?

If you are ok with people lying to your face, then cool for you. Beyond that, I don't care about what EAWare does anymore.

And note: escaping depression is more about balancing brain chemicals, not some unity bullcrap

[Rockworm503]

Elhanan wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

You sound like a parrot just saying the same thing everyone else says.
Nothing you have said is new to me.  Furthermore I didn't say anything to the contrary.

And is insulting to suggest EA doesn't get rid of their companies.  Its happening now they get rid of the entire ToR team?  What you think their gonna hire them back?  You can kid yourself all you want but Bioware is on borrowed time I'm honestly surprised they've lasted this long after the ME3 debacle.

I understand your a "true fan" so I'm not even gonna waste my time with the rest of it.

Not a parrot; a free thinking fan that simply refususes to jump on the bashing bandwagon with so many others. Enjoy the ride; simply do not expect it to finish intact.

I have personally been through a few company changes, and though there were struggles, it ended well for me. I hated losing friends, but generally those that were mishandled saw the ones that caused the problems lose their jobs by doing so.

The TOR team in Austin did lose some folks. But from what I understand, the remaining team is still huge. And it is still in Austin; only one of several Bioware offices over the globe. Not bad at all considering this growth occured over the past 12+ yrs.

And the ME3 debacle is more on the so-called fans; not Bioware or EA. If kids do not like the dessert offered, they should skip it; not expect fresh desserts from their nanny. The Bandwagon comes off as entitled whining infants, and does not deserve consideration at all. But Bioware will simply because they do care about all their clients; not just the fans.

Note: A key to escaping depression is to avoid self-focus, and expand the vision to others beyond personal needs.

Your not a parrot yet you say the same thing every other pro-ender has said to me in last 2 months.
I'm an entilted brat for expecting what they promised?
If the nanny says to you "if you eat your vegitables I will make a chocolate cake."  Then you see she just went to the store and bought some tapioca pudding (ew hate that crap) what?  What was that they didn't lie to us?
Seriously I feel like I'm repeating myself ad infitum.
"There will be plenty of choices that will matter and there wont be just A,B,C endings"
How am I entitled?  Because I don't believe in their Artistic Integrity?

Jumping on the bandwagon of hate huh?  I don't hate EA to hate it would imply I give 2 ***s about them NO I just don't care what they do at this point their welcome to destroy Bioware because the Bioware I know and love is already dead.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 03 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[AlanC9]

Rockworm503 wrote...


You sound like a parrot just saying the same thing everyone else says.
Nothing you have said is new to me.  

It's not like your posts are fountains of originality.

[Rockworm503]

Thank you AlanC9 that was so much more important than anything else.

[AlanC9]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I'm starting to think that raging by the public to any major corporate entity is some sort of default response if/when something goes wrong and rubs the end consumer the wrong way. In the case of EA, that would be any attempts to create new revenue streams/generate profit and putting out a game that somehow disappoints them in some way. It seems magnitudes for some reason, possibly because some fans are completely obsessed with certain games and can react disproportionately to a problem or issue (or they're straight-up nuts).

I don't think it's gaming-specific. We've seen a lot more intense consumer reactions recently than we used to see. It might be due to the pervasiveness of social media, which both helps to organize reactions and helps to foster consensus (or maybe the illusion of consensus?). For instance, compare fan reaction to the ending of season 1 of The Killing with fan reaction to the ending of season 1 of Twin Peaks.

[AlanC9]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Thank you AlanC9 that was so much more important than anything else.

Hardly important; I just didn't see any reason not to point it out.

You keep attacking Elhanan because you've read all his points before. Meanwhile, you're not saying anything that I haven't read dozens of times. If you're going to repeatedly indulge in such blatant hypocrisy, you've got to expect that someone's going to call you on it sooner or later.

[slimgrin]

Let me get this straight...people on this site actually like EA?

[AlanC9]

I haven't seen anyone liking EA. Unless not disliking EA equals liking EA. If you're not against them, you're with them?

[Rockworm503]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Thank you AlanC9 that was so much more important than anything else.

Hardly important; I just didn't see any reason not to point it out.

You keep attacking Elhanan because you've read all his points before. Meanwhile, you're not saying anything that I haven't read dozens of times. If you're going to repeatedly indulge in such blatant hypocrisy, you've got to expect that someone's going to call you on it sooner or later.

I was not attacking Elhanan.  In fact he started this whole thing with "we true fans"  BS there really was no attacking if someone repeats the same thing I'm going to assume they don't know what I've been saying already and the whole entitled argument just drives that home.  Entiltled is a word that has been used to death at this point it has lost all meaning.

[Rockworm503]

AlanC9 wrote...

I haven't seen anyone liking EA. Unless not disliking EA equals liking EA. If you're not against them, you're with them?

People call themselves true fans for things they are indifferent to?

[PaulSX]

AlanC9 wrote...

I haven't seen anyone liking EA. Unless not disliking EA equals liking EA. If you're not against them, you're with them?

I do not know why gamers always like to take sides: CoD vs Battlefiled, blah, blah, blah.....seems no one can be neutral towards different games or game companies. but to me, all the game companies are the same. They are making games for money.   EA, well, is just happen to be one of them.

[AlanC9]

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Thank you AlanC9 that was so much more important than anything else.

Hardly important; I just didn't see any reason not to point it out.

You keep attacking Elhanan because you've read all his points before. Meanwhile, you're not saying anything that I haven't read dozens of times. If you're going to repeatedly indulge in such blatant hypocrisy, you've got to expect that someone's going to call you on it sooner or later.

I was not attacking Elhanan.  In fact he started this whole thing with "we true fans"  BS there really was no attacking if someone repeats the same thing I'm going to assume they don't know what I've been saying already and the whole entitled argument just drives that home.  Entiltled is a word that has been used to death at this point it has lost all meaning.

When did Elhanan say anything about being a "true fan?" You called him a "true fan; " he didn't use the phrase at all. Did you confuse him with Mystic dream or something?

What he actually said was that  he "(l)ike(s) 'em better than many of the so-called fans." I'm not sure if that means he likes EA better than other fans do, or he likes EA better than he likes those fans. I'm betting the latter, but it's a bit ambiguous as written.

He also says he likes EA better than Bio's old publisher, Atari. But that's just common sense.

As for attacking -- dude, you called him a parrot for saying that he doesn't have a problem with paid DLC. But you didn't mean it to be insulting. Riiight.....

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 juin 2012 - 11:06 .