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[Elhanan]

Back in late April, there were some banned for using an economic exploit among others. See more here in the announcement:

http://www.swtor.com...oits-and-cheats

and in this thread:

http://www.swtor.com...ghlight=exploit

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 juin 2012 - 11:05 .

[Elhanan]

Sajji wrote...

On so-called fans? Hey, anybody have those quotes from Hudson and crew on what ME3's ending would and wouldn't be like?

If you are ok with people lying to your face, then cool for you. Beyond that, I don't care about what EAWare does anymore.

And note: escaping depression is more about balancing brain chemicals, not some unity bullcrap

The cake was not a lie. Options, varied pathways, and multiple endings were granted.

And if one does not care, then should let it go; not whine and stomp in the forums. IMO.

P.S. Meds without accompanied therapy is a recipe for failure and possible addiction. Also, IMO.

[Rockworm503]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Thank you AlanC9 that was so much more important than anything else.

Hardly important; I just didn't see any reason not to point it out.

You keep attacking Elhanan because you've read all his points before. Meanwhile, you're not saying anything that I haven't read dozens of times. If you're going to repeatedly indulge in such blatant hypocrisy, you've got to expect that someone's going to call you on it sooner or later.

I was not attacking Elhanan.  In fact he started this whole thing with "we true fans"  BS there really was no attacking if someone repeats the same thing I'm going to assume they don't know what I've been saying already and the whole entitled argument just drives that home.  Entiltled is a word that has been used to death at this point it has lost all meaning.

When did Elhanan say anything about being a "true fan?" You called him a "true fan; " he didn't use the phrase at all. Did you confuse him with Mystic dream or something?

What he actually said was that  he "(l)ike(s) 'em better than many of the so-called fans." I'm not sure if that means he likes EA better than other fans do, or he likes EA better than he likes those fans. I'm betting the latter, but it's a bit ambiguous as written.

He also says he likes EA better than Bio's old publisher, Atari. But that's just common sense.

As for attacking -- dude, you called him a parrot for saying that he doesn't have a problem with paid DLC. But you didn't mean it to be insulting. Riiight.....

Do you like arguing?
We're getting into something that isn't even worth the time it types.

No he's fine calling me an entitled cry baby.
Thats not an insult but saying he's repeating every single pro-ender sentiment *rolls eyes*
This thread is getting ugly I'm getting out before the end of line.

[Rockworm503]

Elhanan wrote...


The cake was not a lie. Options, varied pathways, and multiple endings were granted.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

 I think they're ok. I mean they do make some mistakes and stupid decisions sometimes but nothing has really been done by them that has made me boycott their games or take any other extremem actions. In fact my biggest problem with them is the Customer Service but still no raging from me. Compared to the other big devs/publishers they are not that different.

[Elhanan]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Do you like arguing?
We're getting into something that isn't even worth the time it types.

No he's fine calling me an entitled cry baby.
Thats not an insult but saying he's repeating every single pro-ender sentiment *rolls eyes*
This thread is getting ugly I'm getting out before the end of line.

I do not recall calling you anything, as I do try and follow the RoC. But sometimes when a shoe fits, someone may assume they were called a loafer....

I like EA more than I like some of the so-called fans; the ones that whine, stomp, and don't like playing in the sandbox provided.

And someone else seems to enjoy arguing over debate and discussion; use reflection for context....

[AlanC9]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Do you like arguing?
We're getting into something that isn't even worth the time it types.

When someone says nonsense, gets called on it, and then tries to change the subject ---- yes, I actually do enjoy that kind of arguing.

I'm not proud. OTOH, it's the same trait that used to make me an efficient copy editor.

But if you'd rather go back to talking about EA, we can do that. In which case, I'm just going to sign on with Elhanan. All EA's done is sold products and tried to make money doing it. Nothing to like or dislike about that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 juin 2012 - 11:29 .

[Addai]

I feel about EA the way they feel about their customer base- cynical.

[AlanC9]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...
People, don't even bother arguing with someone like this, they are trying to defend false promises, blatant lies all caused by one man with an ego a bit too big. 

It can be fixed but just wait for it. Don't bother arguing with fools.

Which promises were actually false? I hope you're not pushing that silly "16 endings" meme.

I'll agree that Casey said a lot of things that left room for misinterpretation. Presumably deliberately, though I'm no telepath so I can't prove that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[TheBlackBaron]

AlanC9 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I'm starting to think that raging by the public to any major corporate entity is some sort of default response if/when something goes wrong and rubs the end consumer the wrong way. In the case of EA, that would be any attempts to create new revenue streams/generate profit and putting out a game that somehow disappoints them in some way. It seems magnitudes for some reason, possibly because some fans are completely obsessed with certain games and can react disproportionately to a problem or issue (or they're straight-up nuts).

I don't think it's gaming-specific. We've seen a lot more intense consumer reactions recently than we used to see. It might be due to the pervasiveness of social media, which both helps to organize reactions and helps to foster consensus (or maybe the illusion of consensus?). For instance, compare fan reaction to the ending of season 1 of The Killing with fan reaction to the ending of season 1 of Twin Peaks.

Illusion of consensus, for sure. 

Recall how the 60,000 or so people on the RME Facebook group and using the hashtag repeatedly claimed they were in a majority. Not just any majority, either, statistics like "95%" or whatever were thrown out. Fact is the majority of people that bought the game didn't even finish it (this is well-documented as being the case for many if not all games - hence the increasing emphasis on multiplayer and Day 1 DLC), and a scattering of polls across the BSN hardly qualifies as valid data. 

As I've said in the past, social media allows anybody to be as loud as they feel they need to be to make their point. I'm not going to throw out the vocal minority phrase because I'd be invoking my own BSN drinking game rules. But it's certainly a tool that a person or persons can use to exert influence beyond what simple numbers suggest. 

[Elhanan]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

I'm with Rockworm503 on this one. YES we DO have a right to speak up if a company blatantly lies to us about its products. That's just a basic consumer right. If the product doesn't work, or does not offer what was promised (really, some people don't seem to have read any of Casey Hudson's PR quotes, despite them being posted everywhere), the customer has a right to complain. Maybe you, Elhanan, are fine with getting trash shoved in your face time upon time again, but, well, I don't. And yeah, I'm on the hate bandwagon and I got good reason to, just like many other people who decided to spend their hard-earned money on a FLAWED product. And this has happened more than once. Really, did none of the pro-enders and pro-EA'rs read ANY of the criticism on ME 3? If not, you guys better start doing so. Oh and puh-lease stop with the 'Ohmygawd you are sooo entitled' crap. It's honestly getting old. Go mow EA's lawn to feel better.

Yes; consumers have the right to complain, and there are several proper ways to go about it. Bombing ratings at Amazon and metacritic are not among them; neither is the continued wailing in the Forums. IMO.

Yes; I have read several of the criticisms, and a lot of them are simply upset over the final 5-20 minutes of the game. The remainder of the game gets a lot of praise, even from many of those hating on the conclusion.

Yes; I read of the game before release, as well as questioned some of the decisions made in ME3. This is the reason I do not have it (see registered games), so Sorry if this does not mesh with the Real Fan title. I watched the endings on youtube, and as one that played the two prior games as a Paragon, I am content with the content.

Any other assumptions I can clarify?

[Lenimph]

They actually have a phone line I can call and complain to and they actually helped me when I need too...so...

[Sparrow44]

Whilst I currently own and enjoy video games published by companies such as EA and Ubisoft, I don't really have any strong emotion towards any of them despite what they may have done or depending on the state of their recently released games.

As long as the game is good, in a working state and the publisher AND the developer support the game to no end then they're building consumer goodwill especially when it'll come down to me wanting to purchase future games from new IP's and sequels to existing ones. Where ME3 is concerned I still enjoy playing it though mostly for MP at the moment and will be interested in any future content coming a long the way (as far as the ending is concerned it's a tiny fragment of the game and quite frankly I'm not going to get butthurt about it when I can still play the game and simply choose not to do the very last missions).

Dragon Age 3 will pretty much be a make or break for Bioware and EA, they really can't afford to mess this one up and if it turns out like another situation with DA2 then the IP will seriously dwindle and as alluded to before people's goodwill towards the devs/publishers will fade and any interest in the future of the IP will mostly be lost or at least in an apathetic state.

[legion999]

Lenimph wrote...

They actually have a phone line I can call and complain to and they actually helped me when I need too...so...

So what?

[King Gigglez]

Honestly, I think EA and Activision should join forces and have the nickname, "Destroyer of franchises"

[android654]

They're a company that makes mediocre products in an attempt to maximize profit.

[Sajji]

Elhanan wrote...

Sajji wrote...

On so-called fans? Hey, anybody have those quotes from Hudson and crew on what ME3's ending would and wouldn't be like?

If you are ok with people lying to your face, then cool for you. Beyond that, I don't care about what EAWare does anymore.

And note: escaping depression is more about balancing brain chemicals, not some unity bullcrap

The cake was not a lie. Options, varied pathways, and multiple endings were granted.

And if one does not care, then should let it go; not whine and stomp in the forums. IMO.

P.S. Meds without accompanied therapy is a recipe for failure and possible addiction. Also, IMO.

Lol at your defense of the endings.

I don't care, though. I just like pointing out to people defending them.

I have depression. You have zero idea what it is. It's a chemical imbalance of serotonin and norepinephrine. Caused from a distortion of the HTT-5 gene. Lol @ "chemical dependency". You take for "chemical depravity".

"In my opinion", of course *eyeroll*

Are you mad and frustrated BioWare is sinking along with the TORtanic. ****s seem desperate these days as their ranks continuously thin