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[Sacred_Fantasy]

Lithany of Andralla require to be activated in every minute or two rendering it useless for day-to-day activity. No one going to do that daily.

[areuexperienced]

Conspiracy! *dons tinfoil hat*

[caradoc2000]

There are several plausible explanations for this. A LoA scroll could have limited number of uses, and the cost/effort of enchanting the scroll could be prohibitive. Maybe they can't be mass produced. Maybe it requires special skills to use. Also, LoA only nullifies the mind control effect. A blood mage could still make your blood boil.

I doubt it was intended as a "first-aid kit" (keep one in every home).

[whykikyouwhy]

Blood magic also carries the extra threat of weakening the Veil further and allowing demons to romp about in the mortal realm.

So while the Litany can disrupt mind control (and, according to the item stats, can stun demons), it's not a be-all, end-all that works against demons. The Chantry probably uses the ban on blood magic as much for the demon aspect as it does matters of mind control.

[hoorayforicecream]

The litany only works while the domination is being attempted. It does nothing once the domination has actually occurred.

[Silfren]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Blood magic also carries the extra threat of weakening the Veil further and allowing demons to romp about in the mortal realm.

So while the Litany can disrupt mind control (and, according to the item stats, can stun demons), it's not a be-all, end-all that works against demons. The Chantry probably uses the ban on blood magic as much for the demon aspect as it does matters of mind control.

All magic thins the Veil; it isn't a quality unique to blood magic. The Veil is thin anywhere that magic is performed on a continual, routine basis.

[caradoc2000]

Nizaris1 wrote...

It is like you fear mosquito will bring you malaria, but you keep all insecticide in the store and out of reach... what the heck?

To take your analogy a bit further, there exists medication against malaria, yet millions of people still get the disease every year, and hundreds of thousands die.

[DPSSOC]

Nizaris1 wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The litany only works while the domination is being attempted. It does nothing once the domination has actually occurred.

Every experienced mges and Templar know when there is blood magic mind cotrol attempt. Wayne know it when facing Sloth, Cullen try to fortify his mind when got trapped, Bethany help Hawke resisting mind control from the sex worker...

Wrong, Cullen was not a subject of blood magic domination he was a subject of torture, they were attempting to break his will to the point he would willingly accept a demon, same with Kerran.  Wynne knows she's being effected because there is a demon standing in front of her.  Keep in mind though that neither Bethany, Anders, nor Merril recognize what Idunna is doing to them, they say as much afterwards.

Furthermore nobody's worried about mages and Templars being the victims of mind control, well not much anyway, the concern is that a king or high ranking noble might fall prey to it, and guess what, they'd be oblivious to what was happening to them.

Nizaris1 wrote...
So, Lithany of Andralla is vital, weirdly they only keep it in the store. even the warden if he/she a mage don't know about it untill Owen mention about it.

The Litany was crafted by Adralla after a lifetime of studying blood magic, it's kept in the store so that those mages who desire to can study and attempt to duplicate it, up until this point it seems they've failed.  It's likely only a Tevinter mage would be able to considering Adralla's main advantage was that she was able to observe blood magic in practice, no Andrastian mage can claim the same.

There is no conspiracy here.

[Silfren]

DPSSOC wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...
So, Lithany of Andralla is vital, weirdly they only keep it in the store. even the warden if he/she a mage don't know about it untill Owen mention about it.

The Litany was crafted by Adralla after a lifetime of studying blood magic, it's kept in the store so that those mages who desire to can study and attempt to duplicate it, up until this point it seems they've failed.  It's likely only a Tevinter mage would be able to considering Adralla's main advantage was that she was able to observe blood magic in practice, no Andrastian mage can claim the same.

There is no conspiracy here.

Your attempt at an explanation falls terribly short, I'm afraid, because you completely fail to address the question of just using the Litany itself.  The question of whether it can be duplicated somehow is a separate issue.   Anyone who has access to the Litany can access its power.  Any Warden, not just a mage, can recite the Litany to tap its ability to terminate mind domination.  We also see the Litany used during the events of Asunder, in what seems a rather casual fashion, by a Seeker.  So no, it makes zero sense to argue that the Litany is kept, but not widely used about or known, on the idea that the Litany is made available for people who want to try to study and duplicate it, and all have just failed to do so.  Even if efforts to re-create the Litany in a different format routinely failed, that doesn't hold water as an explanation for not making it a requirement to learn to recite the Litany by heart.

Also, re: Adralla, far as I know, we don't know that her studies of blood magic came about just because, being from Tevinter, she had the opportunity to just observe blood magic.  We know only that she was from Tevinter, and studied blood magic intensely.  The simplest explanations being the most likely, I think she openly PRACTICED blood magic in her studies to find ways to counter it.  You'll excuse me if I don't believe the notion that she was able to so successfully come up with ways to counter blood magic evil by practicing AGAINST people who would have killed her for it.  She'd have had to have allies who practiced blood magic to help her, or been willing to do her own, individual practice.

[jbrand2002uk]

The only real conspiracy is the hypocritical stance of the templars/chantry they say blood magic is bad and evil etc and yet the phylactories they use to track escaped mages is blood magic itself but then again the Grey Wardens joining ceremony is also Blood magic of a sort

[berelinde]

****DRAGON AGE: ASUNDER SPOILERS FOLLOW!***





The templars *do* know about the Litany of Adralla. Or at least the Seekers do. Lord Seeker Lambert uses it to force Cole to betray himself in Dragon Age: Asunder. He seems to have had it casually lurking about his person. He tells Rhys that it only works on demons, but DG has said that Cole is not exactly a demon. It is possible that peoples' understanding of the Litany is not as comprehensive as they think it is.

[caradoc2000]

Nizaris1 wrote...

So, just toss away all prevention because of thousands die?

LoA might not offer a universal protection.

[Silfren]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

So, just toss away all prevention because of thousands die?

LoA might not offer a universal protection.

That has nothing to do with the question.  It is nothing more or less than blatant stupidity to throw out what measures of protection ARE available merely because they are not 100% effective in all potential applications.

[caradoc2000]

Silfren wrote...

It is nothing more or less than blatant stupidity to throw out what measures of protection ARE available merely because they are not 100% effective in all potential applications.

Myself and others in this thread have given several reasons for not using LoA. Perhaps they are a rarity.

[dragonflight288]

Templars wouldn't necessarily be insignificant. They could still hunt rogue mages who are killing people, and their ability to negate magic is dang useful for that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Maybe, but they becomes more significant because of blood magic is a threat, that is what they are propagated about.

Blood Magic is not the only thing the Templars exist to defend against: they exist to defend civilians against all kinds of magic, and at least in theory are meant to function as bodyguards for the magi as well.

As for the LItany Of Adralla not being more widespread... one can only assume that it's either really expensive to make a copy, or just that the Templars are idiots. The Templars not wanting to become obsolete just doesn't cover it: if that was the problem you'd think they'd still use it themselves.

[Silfren]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

It is nothing more or less than blatant stupidity to throw out what measures of protection ARE available merely because they are not 100% effective in all potential applications.

Myself and others in this thread have given several reasons for not using LoA. Perhaps they are a rarity.

Several of the reasons I've seen don't hold water at all, which I made clear in the posts I made prior to yours that I'm quoting here, so telling me about these reasons is meaningless...I find them sorely lacking.

Also, even if the reasons were valid, they don't fly as GOOD reasons.  I don't believe the Litany is rare, as there is no lore-based reason given to support that idea.  And if it IS rare, then that begs the question why, because it is a valuable tool. 

It stands to reason that if the Litany were rare, or impossible to duplicate, or whatever, we'd have heard that by now.  While it is true that absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence, it nevertheless is likely that we would have heard mentions of the Litany's limitations and setbacks, as they would be extremely relevant to the story, and would actually provide more justification for why the Circle system is necessary. 

[caradoc2000]

*shrug* Is a conspiracy more believable then?