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[KilrB]

The Qunari hate everybody, ask Sten ...

[Dahelia]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

NetBeansAndJava wrote...

Most NPC reactions don't seem to be affected by your race/class, etc. However, don't you think it'd get old fast if every npc said, "You there, elf. Why aren't you scrubbing the floor?"

If you want to smash in a bigot's face, play the city elf origin. Plenty of bigots to smash.

Like at Ostagar? When you meet just about every human...they say "What are you doing here elf?" especially the Quartermaster...

Thats the final push of the game of a cheap imitation of existent racism. After those few lines at Ostagar, nothing ever gets mentioned about an elf.

You just have to come across the royals, then you will experience it...and the Dalish will dislike you if you are a city elf.

You keep making use of gross exaggeration to get a point across. How are the dwarves social system an example of racism? They refer to you as surface dweller because you are such. If  someone in america refers to me as "european" I would not in the slightest feel offended. And the dalish only mention your race, and are not in the least bit a-holes to you because of it.


Neither the dalish nor dwarves ever express anything other
than a distrust that is understandable.

Dwarfs consider the casteless a whole different race, they are the bottom of the bottom...they hate their own kind. Just like Americans. Whites hate the blacks but we are all American...should make no difference by the color of your skin or what "class" you are in (middle, high, poverty). Just like in the game, it is in the real world as well. Blacks blame the whites for their problems, whites blame the blacks and hispanics for the crime rate. It is an on going circle. Don't tell me, you do not think when someone calls you a "European" with such disgust in their voice, you would not be offended. I get called a hispanic with the tone that I am some illegal and deserves to die.

[Few87]

KilrB wrote...

The Qunari hate everybody, ask Sten ...

exactly, as others have said its either no hate happy land or they just hate everyone. I demand to get slapped around as an elf!

[jennamarae]

There are at least three people in Redcliffe that mention you being an elf and being surprised you're helping. When you first enter the Dalish camp as a Dalish there is a comment made about them being surprised your companions are willing to follow a Dalish. If you play as a male and have relationships with Leliana and Zevran going at the same time, Leliana will say something along the lines of not knowing you leaned that way. I remember that one because there's an option to say you didn't know either till he came along. Leliana will also make some rather bigoted comments when talking about elves that she apologizes for if you're an elf.



So there is some bigotry and racism in there if you choose the right dialog options.

[Dahelia]

Wrathra wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Sexuality. Unsure where announcing your sexual preferences would come up anywhere but among your party and a certain place in Denerim. With your party, they all seem either open minded enough/don't give enough of a crap to have any kind of real antagonism. With that other area, they cater to it.

Even so. If you get the gay affair with zevran, morrigan and leli simply give you a traditional talk that you have to choose. Neither of them bats an eyelash in surprise or lifts a brow at the idea of being a ******. Conversely, if you get the fe-leliana romance Alistair and zevran will talk to you normaly.

Although Alistair does mention "hot", but hats not the kinda bigotry Im looking for, even though I can see wher he comes from.

Perhaps because in Ferelden, the populace as a whole and your companions in partictular, don't have a problem with homosexuality? 

Dragon Age: Origins Wiki

Homosexuality
The majority of Fereldans consider same-sex relations odd, but not immoral, while Orlesians consider it a quirk of character.

There is your answer...lol

Modifié par Dahelia, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Taleroth]

Few87 wrote...

exactly, as others have said its either no hate happy land or they just hate everyone. I demand to get slapped around as an elf!

Sometimes I come to this forum and think to myself "why is nobody giving me ammunition to be crude, obnoxious, or troll?"

And then there are days like today.

Modifié par Taleroth, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:56 .

[Dahelia]

Few87 wrote...

KilrB wrote...

The Qunari hate everybody, ask Sten ...

exactly, as others have said its either no hate happy land or they just hate everyone. I demand to get slapped around as an elf!

So...like someone said...you rather not complete the game because you are an elf and they block your path because you are such...ok.....riight....

[andybuiadh]

There is some good (is it possible to say "good" in this context?... you get what I mean >.<) examples of bigotry etc between the Dwarves and there is the occasional mention of elven racism also.. but the issue is that the game seems to forget it after a while. As an elf you get abuse in the Ostagar camp at the beginning, but by the middle fo the game you've blended in with the scenery aside from people addressing you as "elf" etc.



I guess it would have made alot more work for the devs to implement this sort of realism.

[bjdbwea]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

You keep making use of gross exaggeration to get a point across. How are the dwarves social system an example of racism? They refer to you as surface dweller because you are such. If  someone in america refers to me as "european" I would not in the slightest feel offended. And the dalish only mention your race, and are not in the least bit a-holes to you because of it.

Neither the dalish nor dwarves ever express anything other than a distrust that is understandable.

I agree. But people are quick to sense racism in anything these days. Maybe the game's just realistic in this issue? Most people in our society are much less racist than is constantly suggested by some.

That dwarven system remains idiotic of course.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:00 .

[Heals.like.Jesus]

jennamarae wrote...

There are at least three people in Redcliffe that mention you being an elf and being surprised you're helping. When you first enter the Dalish camp as a Dalish there is a comment made about them being surprised your companions are willing to follow a Dalish. If you play as a male and have relationships with Leliana and Zevran going at the same time, Leliana will say something along the lines of not knowing you leaned that way. I remember that one because there's an option to say you didn't know either till he came along. Leliana will also make some rather bigoted comments when talking about elves that she apologizes for if you're an elf.

So there is some bigotry and racism in there if you choose the right dialog options.

In other words i have to fish for racist cracks and be adept at wordplay so that i can feel just a bit discriminated against. Thats hilarious.

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:01 .

[Dahelia]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

jennamarae wrote...

There are at least three people in Redcliffe that mention you being an elf and being surprised you're helping. When you first enter the Dalish camp as a Dalish there is a comment made about them being surprised your companions are willing to follow a Dalish. If you play as a male and have relationships with Leliana and Zevran going at the same time, Leliana will say something along the lines of not knowing you leaned that way. I remember that one because there's an option to say you didn't know either till he came along. Leliana will also make some rather bigoted comments when talking about elves that she apologizes for if you're an elf.

So there is some bigotry and racism in there if you choose the right dialog options.

In other words i have to fish for racist cracks and be adept at wordplay so that i can feel just a bit discriminated against. Thats hilarious.

No, you do see it..most people are so use to racism they don't see it anymore.

[Imrathelm]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

racism is mainly present in the origin stories, to give you an idea which race stands where. After you pass the origin, your race only gets mentioned from time to time in dialog.

Dwarfs are not racists, where di you get this from? They have political problems, and are distrustful of everyone and they never make a race-crack at the PC while you are there.

Not racisist?  The are completely Xenophobic.  Which can border on racist..not that I really care.  More power to them.

[Daramones]

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

[Curlain]

The racism was evident in quite a few areas, but I agree that at times it should have been more obvious (say if your PC is an elf) since they are generally looked down on as 2nd class cititzens or even slaves, but though you come across it, asside from the city elf origin and a few select comments it isn't really an issue. In this respect I thought the Witcher did a better job of conveying the loathing that the human populations felt for elves and other non-humans (as well as the hatred the non-humans felt in return) and the main character Geralt is often never allowed to forget that he's seen as a filthy Witcher mutant by even the most common NPC's. There the racism was often blatant, appearing even in the NPC gossip you heard as you walked by them in the game.

That said, the human-non-human conflict was central to the Witcher's story where as in DA it's more of the background of the world

Modifié par Curlain, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:14 .

[Nomen Mendax]

Also, if you've just slaughtered hordes of the darkspawn bigoted villagers might feel a bit nervous about being rude to you. If it makes the OP feel better you can always imagine that they are making racist (speciesist?), or sexist comments the instant you are out of earshot.

"I love you Grey Wardens, thank you for saving us"
-- grey wardens exit stage left --
"Miserable elves, trying to convince us they are just as good as humans by saving us."
"Yeah, what gives them the right to come in hear and just rescue everyone"
and so on ...

Modifié par Nomen Mendax, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[Taleroth]

"I bet those humans are the ones doing all the work, while that elf there is just tagging along being poor."

[Dahelia]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Also, if you've just slaughtered hordes of the darkspawn bigoted villagers might feel a bit nervous about being rude to you. If it makes the OP feel better you can always imagine that they are making racist (speciesist?), or sexist comments the instant you are out of earshot.

"I love you Grey Wardens, thank you for saving us"
-- grey wardens exit stage left --
"Miserable elves, trying to convince us they are just as good as humans by saving us."
"Yeah, what gives them the right to come in hear and just rescue everyone"
and so on ...

Isn't that how it works anyways? They are nice to your face then jerks behind your back.

Modifié par Dahelia, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:18 .

[andybuiadh]

Daramones wrote...

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

True, but the residents/merchants in the towns not under immediate darkspawn threat have no need to forget the fact that they dislike your race. It's fair to say that in this game, by and large, humans hate elves and vice versa.

[Dahelia]

andybuiadh wrote...

Daramones wrote...

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

True, but the residents/merchants in the towns not under immediate darkspawn threat have no need to forget the fact that they dislike your race. It's fair to say that in this game, by and large, humans hate elves and vice versa.

Which towns are those????

[andybuiadh]

Dahelia wrote...

andybuiadh wrote...

Daramones wrote...

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

True, but the residents/merchants in the towns not under immediate darkspawn threat have no need to forget the fact that they dislike your race. It's fair to say that in this game, by and large, humans hate elves and vice versa.

Which towns are those????

Well Denerim for a start.

[Dahelia]

andybuiadh wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

andybuiadh wrote...

Daramones wrote...

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

True, but the residents/merchants in the towns not under immediate darkspawn threat have no need to forget the fact that they dislike your race. It's fair to say that in this game, by and large, humans hate elves and vice versa.

Which towns are those????

Well Denerim for a start.

Denerim has most of its army fighting the Blight...and if you haven't played the game I can't say much without giving it away. They have their own troubles to worry about..then to take the time out of their lives to be racist to your character. Most people have respect for Grey Wardens despite Loghain's attempts....that is the big thing, you are a different race but you are first and foremost a Grey Warden, you are saving a whole land from the Blight. Whether it is some small city or Denerim...they know if it is not for you and your band of misfits all of Ferelden would be destroyed.

Modifié par Dahelia, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:23 .

[Daramones]

andybuiadh wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

andybuiadh wrote...

Daramones wrote...

hmm maybe racism isn't as important to the villagers or npcs as the fact that they might not live to see another day. If I was a villager in a town that was besieged by the walking dead day and night and a grey warden saved me, I wouldn't kick him in the teeth for being an elf.

True, but the residents/merchants in the towns not under immediate darkspawn threat have no need to forget the fact that they dislike your race. It's fair to say that in this game, by and large, humans hate elves and vice versa.

Which towns are those????

Well Denerim for a start.

Oh no, they probably don't forget but duncan does mention that grey wardens get more respect than most. Every where I go everyone already knows Im a grey warden, it seems. Plus we are a little better armed than most people shopping. They might just be too smart to say anything more to a blood spattered stranger hauling around a terse qunari than "thank you." 
   

[Heals.like.Jesus]

mercenary bands, groups you are about to fight and cocky would-be enemies and people who in general do not fear you or owe you gratitude, dont go racist on your ass. And they have no reason not to.

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:28 .

[Faerell Gustani]

To be perfectly honest, I sympathize with the dwarves' disdain for non-dwarves and surface dwarves.
Think about it. Surface folk deal with darkspawn every so often and really only during a blight.
Dwarves deal with it daily.
And sure during a blight their city is no longer under constant siege, but then the Grey Wardens and other sorts of surface folk start knocking on their door going "please, you gotta help us. These Darkspawn are scary."
As a dwarf I would want to just slap them and go "shuttup, I'm taking my once in every 400 year break right now. Maybe if your sorry ass came down to help us with our darkspawn problem every once in awhile I'd be more sympathetic and less tired."
Wardens I can tollerate as a dwarf because they do come in and help.  However, other surfaces are pansies living a nice little, darkspawn free, life that the Dwarves created for them by stemming the tide.

Modifié par Faerell Gustani, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:33 .

[Lolballs]

"Think about it. Surface folk deal with darkspawn every so often and really only during a blight.



Dwarves deal with it daily."



Because they're too dumb to crawl out of their holes. Anyway, I had wished to make my human warrior a real noble scumbag, forcing elves to shine my steel-toed boots etc. Just a tiny bit disappointed with my options when dealing with elves. Still love the game though <3