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[ST3ALTHY]

I got into Dragon Age around April of this year, and I played through the whole game and all the DLC, transferred into Dragon Age 2, and I beat all of that game.  Any news of Bioware saying to keep the Dragon Age 2 saves for Dragon Age 3?  I truly hope so, because wow did it make Dragon Age 2 such an epic experiences.

Oh and before I played Dragon Age 2 a lot of people including some of the community said it was a terrible game.  Boy were they very wrong, Dragon Age 2 is an epic game, and I assume they didn't transfer their saves, but even without it, I think its still epic.

[Asch Lavigne]

I don't think they have to say it, it's a kind of a given.

[Tezzajh]

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

[MichaelStuart]

I believe they have said that saves will transfer. How well it does it will be a the real question, as I have heard that the save files are bugged.

Glad to hear that you enjoyed Dragon Age 2. I would never call it epic, but I do think it is a good game, even if it is a bit repetitive.

[Emzamination]

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

[Tezzajh]

we both no it was more than 2 but it has been so long since i played dragon age 2 i dont really care to remember it.

Ive been playing skyrim for months now and every single dungeon i enter has a better plot than the entire dragon age 2 game. so thats why i dont remember it .

and didn't the witcher 2 have a import system for pc? and the game divinty 2 done a import system that worked well, so its not a bioware exclusive they just like to think they are

[Emzamination]

Tezzajh wrote...

we both no it was more than 2 but it has been so long since i played dragon age 2 i dont really care to remember it.

Ive been playing skyrim for months now and every single dungeon i enter has a better plot than the entire dragon age 2 game. so thats why i dont remember it .

and didn't the witcher 2 have a import system for pc? and the game divinty 2 done a import system that worked well, so its not a bioware exclusive they just like to think they are

Well there is the eluvian year retcon but even that's irrelavent.It doesn't matter what year they left since that is the last act of dao.

I did say few if any 

Modifié par Emzamination, 03 juin 2012 - 08:19 .

[TJX2045]

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

This.

Also Dragon Age II was NOT a bad game.  In fact, I found myself replaying it more than DAO.  I just started going back to replaying DAO and the character models in DA2 are much better.  You can actually see bigger differences in elves vs humans other than just pointy ears.  I actually enjoyed some of the characters, and liked Fenris outside of his anti-mage angst, contrary to popular opinion.  My two favorite characters are Anders and Isabela.

DAO overall has more replay value than DA2.  I only replay DA2 for some of the characters that I like a lot.  Of course there were a few things I didn't like about it, but I can find things I didn't like about almost EVERY game I have played, even the amazing ones like Skyrim.

I have just played through DA2 with a Queen Warden as opposed to my Canon Human Male Mage Warden who I imported from DAO Awakening.  So far I've had quite a few things turn out differently, including new quests and some missing depending on the choices I've made.  If you're that upset about those two things that were retconned, then you must've hated ME3.

Modifié par TJX2045, 03 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[Tezzajh]

TJX2045 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

This.

Also Dragon Age II was NOT a bad game.  In fact, I found myself replaying it more than DAO.  I just started going back to replaying DAO and the character models in DA2 are much better.  You can actually see bigger differences in elves vs humans other than just pointy ears.  I actually enjoyed some of the characters, and liked Fenris outside of his anti-mage angst, contrary to popular opinion.  My two favorite characters are Anders and Isabela.

DAO overall has more replay value than DA2.  I only replay DA2 for some of the characters that I like a lot.  Of course there were a few things I didn't like about it, but I can find things I didn't like about almost EVERY game I have played, even the amazing ones like Skyrim.

I have just played through DA2 with a Queen Warden as opposed to my Canon Human Male Mage Warden who I imported from DAO Awakening.  So far I've had quite a few things turn out differently, including new quests and some missing depending on the choices I've made.  If you're that upset about those two things that were retconned, then you must've hated ME3.

why are you all assuming i hated those 2 things? like i said there was plenty more when i was playing da2 i had a massive list BUT  the two things i said are the most obvious failures of the import system. and i actually liked the fact Leliana can't die she was my fav character so she is likely to have a big part in DA3.

but just for the sake of it
I sent justice away in awakening - DA2 he is in anders and no diffrence if you kept him
killed Zeveran -DA2 he lives
you freed the mages-DA2 no you didn't
the origin,awakening whitch hunt timeline is messed up in DA2 , awkening 6 months after orign and witch hun 1 year after awakening , so one year 6 months after the start of hawks story warden goes missing, yet alister says hes meeting with the warden in the 9th or tenth year of hawks story, how? he been missing for 8 years

i did have 250 saved playthroughs of orgins and imported about 12 then i quit, like i said i had a massive list, the points mentioned here are off the top of my head.

[rafalima]

250 saved playthroughs? wow!!!

[Midnightpain]

They could really draw from both games but they should have never removed the RPG elements that made DA origins amazing to fans.

The reason why a lot of people said DA2 was crap, is because they were mislead and deceived to believe DA2 was a sequel to DAO which was much more true to the RPG genre. DA2 is a purely Action game sprinkled with RPG elements.

The outcry is no doubt to the fact that there is a lacking genre of RPG where so called "modern RPG's" are actually like just action games. RPG's everywhere are turning to action and turning away from tactics, gripping story... Like it dumbfounds me how they could give up on a story as epic as DAO trash it, when there was sooo much hot speculation over the baby you made in DAO why didn't they make it a true sequel WTF the profits would have been enormous!!!

Nothing is left for fans such as myself and DAO fans when there is no genre we can turn to anymore without feeling empty or betrayed.

DA2 IMHO was great for an action game (one of my favorite) but its not the type of RPG game I'm looking for.

I want text dialogue choices, real story stem choices, tactical combat with some or little action based button mashing, advanced companion AI choices etc etc.

If Dragon Age Origins and Skyrim were to combine into like some sort of frankenstiened baby, or like morrigan's never seen baby all their best elements we would have the RPG genre back at the same time as pleasing action gaming fans. In dragon age origins you could be lazy with combat tactics if your more into action gaming or you could be overly obsessed putting it on the hardest setting without cheesing the forcefield and have a real battle.

Imagine open worlds, real tactics, lasting battles, choice of play, lovable non annoying companions that can be pushed out the way. A game that requires no modding and mods to make it awesome. HARD-MODE gameplay where its impossible to cheese things out and become invincible, but possible to win those big daunting battles on the edge of your seat with 1-10 health points left, and a few actually dead companions non resurrectable so have to cope with loss lol.

I say bring back the true RPG and make it even better more exciting don't forget us RPG fans and give in to mass marketing or make a game that actually pleases us.

I think Bret Knowles knew how to make a RPG game Mike Laidley doesn't and hasn't shown us he can... yet... DA3 echo echo echo

[Jerrybnsn]

I just wonder if they set it up so that all of your decisions from Origins can be imported into DAIII. I'm not sure what imports from Origins made DAII an "epic" game. Was it bumping into the Dalish elves looking for former werewolves and spending all of fifteen seconds killing everybody? Spending a few minutes clearing a path for the House of Orzammar heir? The two times your former Warden is mentioned? The one time Morrigan is mentioned? The horrible disfigured appearance of Alistair for a few minutes saying absolutely nothing of importance?

Maybe I had a few more bugs in importing than I thought, because I thought there was very little reference from my first game..

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 04 juin 2012 - 01:21 .

[jbrand2002uk]

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

A victim of Hype? oh how I laugh, there is no such thing its simply those who were silly enough in this day and age to believe the hype and marketing, then there is those of us who were sensible enough to see hype,marketing and advertising for what it is which is loads of shady hyperbole and un-truths sprinkled lightly with an element of truth from a certain perspective so if you fell for the hype and marketing in this day and age you have only yourself to blame really.

Oh and 2nd your claim that the game sucks is your opinion more people stating this opinion does not make it fact however It could also be said that people who cant describe things any better than "well it sucks" are entitiled elitist fanboys does this make it fact because many people say it ? No its an opinion pure and simple.
It does puzzle me how some gamers have so little going on in their lives that they have to get their knickers in a twist of some minor plot inconsistencies.

[Emzamination]

Tezzajh wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

This.

Also Dragon Age II was NOT a bad game.  In fact, I found myself replaying it more than DAO.  I just started going back to replaying DAO and the character models in DA2 are much better.  You can actually see bigger differences in elves vs humans other than just pointy ears.  I actually enjoyed some of the characters, and liked Fenris outside of his anti-mage angst, contrary to popular opinion.  My two favorite characters are Anders and Isabela.

DAO overall has more replay value than DA2.  I only replay DA2 for some of the characters that I like a lot.  Of course there were a few things I didn't like about it, but I can find things I didn't like about almost EVERY game I have played, even the amazing ones like Skyrim.

I have just played through DA2 with a Queen Warden as opposed to my Canon Human Male Mage Warden who I imported from DAO Awakening.  So far I've had quite a few things turn out differently, including new quests and some missing depending on the choices I've made.  If you're that upset about those two things that were retconned, then you must've hated ME3.

why are you all assuming i hated those 2 things? like i said there was plenty more when i was playing da2 i had a massive list BUT  the two things i said are the most obvious failures of the import system. and i actually liked the fact Leliana can't die she was my fav character so she is likely to have a big part in DA3.

but just for the sake of it
I sent justice away in awakening - DA2 he is in anders and no diffrence if you kept him
killed Zeveran -DA2 he lives
you freed the mages-DA2 no you didn't
the origin,awakening whitch hunt timeline is messed up in DA2 , awkening 6 months after orign and witch hun 1 year after awakening , so one year 6 months after the start of hawks story warden goes missing, yet alister says hes meeting with the warden in the 9th or tenth year of hawks story, how? he been missing for 8 years

i did have 250 saved playthroughs of orgins and imported about 12 then i quit, like i said i had a massive list, the points mentioned here are off the top of my head.

There are a number of explanations how justice ended up in anders with him being a spirit at the top of the list.

Zevran is an import bug that happens with 'some' games.

Import bug because cullen recognized my mage saving the circle.

Hawkes story only went up to seven years (even tho we were promised 10 <_<).If the time line hadn't been retconed past the initial two years, bioware would've had to rewrite all the warden's potential romance's dialogue in game to reflect them missing for years.

Modifié par Emzamination, 04 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[Tezzajh]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

A victim of Hype? oh how I laugh, there is no such thing its simply those who were silly enough in this day and age to believe the hype and marketing, then there is those of us who were sensible enough to see hype,marketing and advertising for what it is which is loads of shady hyperbole and un-truths sprinkled lightly with an element of truth from a certain perspective so if you fell for the hype and marketing in this day and age you have only yourself to blame really.

Oh and 2nd your claim that the game sucks is your opinion more people stating this opinion does not make it fact however It could also be said that people who cant describe things any better than "well it sucks" are entitiled elitist fanboys does this make it fact because many people say it ? No its an opinion pure and simple.
It does puzzle me how some gamers have so little going on in their lives that they have to get their knickers in a twist of some minor plot inconsistencies.

did I say i was the victim of the hype? no I didn't, i said there were people who were victims, ive got my own reasons for disliking it.  and the argument over oppinion vs fact when out of the window when they pulled all expansion for it, they had the exalted march planned but had to abandon it because they knew it wasn't going to sell, even had the T-shirts printed. a good game  isint forsaken by its creators. and if the creators were so happy with it then why are they asking for fan input? because they know its bad and want to know how they can redeem themselfs, they even stated it.

but im not arguing anymore I just come to say its likely DA3 will have import. and if you like it good for you, but if so many people said it was bad and support for the game was pulled early then it means it wasn't a succses.

[Tezzajh]

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

This.

Also Dragon Age II was NOT a bad game.  In fact, I found myself replaying it more than DAO.  I just started going back to replaying DAO and the character models in DA2 are much better.  You can actually see bigger differences in elves vs humans other than just pointy ears.  I actually enjoyed some of the characters, and liked Fenris outside of his anti-mage angst, contrary to popular opinion.  My two favorite characters are Anders and Isabela.

DAO overall has more replay value than DA2.  I only replay DA2 for some of the characters that I like a lot.  Of course there were a few things I didn't like about it, but I can find things I didn't like about almost EVERY game I have played, even the amazing ones like Skyrim.

I have just played through DA2 with a Queen Warden as opposed to my Canon Human Male Mage Warden who I imported from DAO Awakening.  So far I've had quite a few things turn out differently, including new quests and some missing depending on the choices I've made.  If you're that upset about those two things that were retconned, then you must've hated ME3.

why are you all assuming i hated those 2 things? like i said there was plenty more when i was playing da2 i had a massive list BUT  the two things i said are the most obvious failures of the import system. and i actually liked the fact Leliana can't die she was my fav character so she is likely to have a big part in DA3.

but just for the sake of it
I sent justice away in awakening - DA2 he is in anders and no diffrence if you kept him
killed Zeveran -DA2 he lives
you freed the mages-DA2 no you didn't
the origin,awakening whitch hunt timeline is messed up in DA2 , awkening 6 months after orign and witch hun 1 year after awakening , so one year 6 months after the start of hawks story warden goes missing, yet alister says hes meeting with the warden in the 9th or tenth year of hawks story, how? he been missing for 8 years

i did have 250 saved playthroughs of orgins and imported about 12 then i quit, like i said i had a massive list, the points mentioned here are off the top of my head.

There are a number of explanations how justice ended up in anders with him being a spirit at the top of the list.

Zevran is an import bug that happens with 'some' games.

Import bug because cullen recognized my mage saving the circle.

Hawkes story only went up to seven years (even tho we were promised 10 <_<).If the time line hadn't been retconed past the initial two years, bioware would've had to rewrite all the warden's potential romance's dialogue in game to reflect them missing for years.

thank you I didn't know it was only 8 years, I guess varric talking to the seekers was the 2 years after making it 10? or perhaps the dlc was meant to extend the years

[Emzamination]

Tezzajh wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

This.

Also Dragon Age II was NOT a bad game.  In fact, I found myself replaying it more than DAO.  I just started going back to replaying DAO and the character models in DA2 are much better.  You can actually see bigger differences in elves vs humans other than just pointy ears.  I actually enjoyed some of the characters, and liked Fenris outside of his anti-mage angst, contrary to popular opinion.  My two favorite characters are Anders and Isabela.

DAO overall has more replay value than DA2.  I only replay DA2 for some of the characters that I like a lot.  Of course there were a few things I didn't like about it, but I can find things I didn't like about almost EVERY game I have played, even the amazing ones like Skyrim.

I have just played through DA2 with a Queen Warden as opposed to my Canon Human Male Mage Warden who I imported from DAO Awakening.  So far I've had quite a few things turn out differently, including new quests and some missing depending on the choices I've made.  If you're that upset about those two things that were retconned, then you must've hated ME3.

why are you all assuming i hated those 2 things? like i said there was plenty more when i was playing da2 i had a massive list BUT  the two things i said are the most obvious failures of the import system. and i actually liked the fact Leliana can't die she was my fav character so she is likely to have a big part in DA3.

but just for the sake of it
I sent justice away in awakening - DA2 he is in anders and no diffrence if you kept him
killed Zeveran -DA2 he lives
you freed the mages-DA2 no you didn't
the origin,awakening whitch hunt timeline is messed up in DA2 , awkening 6 months after orign and witch hun 1 year after awakening , so one year 6 months after the start of hawks story warden goes missing, yet alister says hes meeting with the warden in the 9th or tenth year of hawks story, how? he been missing for 8 years

i did have 250 saved playthroughs of orgins and imported about 12 then i quit, like i said i had a massive list, the points mentioned here are off the top of my head.

There are a number of explanations how justice ended up in anders with him being a spirit at the top of the list.

Zevran is an import bug that happens with 'some' games.

Import bug because cullen recognized my mage saving the circle.

Hawkes story only went up to seven years (even tho we were promised 10 <_<).If the time line hadn't been retconed past the initial two years, bioware would've had to rewrite all the warden's potential romance's dialogue in game to reflect them missing for years.

thank you I didn't know it was only 8 years, I guess varric talking to the seekers was the 2 years after making it 10? or perhaps the dlc was meant to extend the years

Np 

[fchopin]

I don’t see why we need to import anything from DA2, as far as i am concerned there is no decision from DA2 that will matter in DA3.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I don't think any decisions I've made in previous 2 titles would matter in DA 3 because:

1. ) Import saves doesn't recognize.ultimate sacrifice ( unless you retcon it through awakening - which I refuse to do )

2. ) It doesn't recognize the new Orlesian Warden Commander - import without DAO would cause the game to use default history.


3 ) It doesn't recognize Dark Ritual and OGB either ( even if you import it through awakening ) . All this decisions are what I consider my most important decisions.

I don't care my choices in DA 2. All of them are railroaded anyway. And, I don't romance anyone. Therefore, there is no point to mention them.. .

So I don't have any meaningful choices worth to be carried over in DA 3. It's all a new beginning, I guess.

[chuckwells62]

As franchise games prove themselves popular, it always amazes me when the publishers then want to expand their customer base by "changing" aspects of follow-up games that MADE them popular with buyers in the first place. Sorta stupid really! Bioware hasn't seemed terribly keen on learning that lesson, so they've recently found themselves in an uncomfortable hole that they dug for themselves. Dragon Age: Origins was a role-playing game that clearly established a specific lore and style. I didn't hate or dislike Dragon Age 2, there were improvements made in character design and in combat; but other than the charge of being rushed onto the market, I think that it receives too much scorn for much of what they tried to incorporate into it. Their developmental heart was noticeably in what they were doing!

I do believe that regardless of what the company may have originally planned for the third installment, given the general reception of DA2 and Mass Effect 3's ending flap, the BEST thing that they can do in the wake of scrapping Exalted March and having to throw in the towel on DA2 dlc; plus delay DA3 to shore up the pathetic The Old Republic, is to build Dragon Age 3 off of the lore and back story of Thedas and return to an immersive form of role-playing that Origins was known for. Multi-player? Go ahead, but keep that **** out of the single player campaign morons!

Modifié par chuckwells62, 06 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I just wonder if they set it up so that all of your decisions from Origins can be imported into DAIII. I'm not sure what imports from Origins made DAII an "epic" game. Was it bumping into the Dalish elves looking for former werewolves and spending all of fifteen seconds killing everybody? Spending a few minutes clearing a path for the House of Orzammar heir? The two times your former Warden is mentioned? The one time Morrigan is mentioned? The horrible disfigured appearance of Alistair for a few minutes saying absolutely nothing of importance?

Maybe I had a few more bugs in importing than I thought, because I thought there was very little reference from my first game..

What origin did you import?  The Dalish Warden has a good few references in Merrill's story and Anders' banters.

(By the way, did anyone other Dalish players want to reach through the screen and smack Anders upside the head when he says "In my experience, all Dalish women are crazy"?    She saved your sorry butt from the Templars, and this is how you thank her?  Bad form, Anders, very bad form.)

[AppealToReason]

I'm curious to see what they do with the save transfer if the next gen consoles have released.

[Emzamination]

AppealToReason wrote...

I'm curious to see what they do with the save transfer if the next gen consoles have released.

why would they need to do anything? Every new console has always been able to play its predecessor's games.

[hussey 92]

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see why we need to import anything from DA2, as far as i am concerned there is no decision from DA2 that will matter in DA3.

yep, its the same ending no matter what you do

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

probally Its the thing that bioware says that seperates them from the rest of rpgs.

by the way we were not wrong it does suck, you were lucky not to be a victim of the hype. and if you think about it, orign fans played a game that had a clear plot and a lot of diffrent scenery for 2 years then they recived a game that was a downgrade in all areas,

o by the way, the point you made that they didnt import their saves. nearly everyone did but it didn't matter. please replay origns and awkening and kill leliana and anders and see if it makes any diffrence

Importing saves across multiple games does seperate bioware from the rest, very few (if any) companys do that.If two tiny things made your whole playthrough void...

Bioware writting 2 characters back to life would make peoples decisions seem void