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[marshalleck]

Randy1083 wrote...

Thedas seems to be a more sexually liberal world as a whole. This is not a bad thing.

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

[Lord Phoebus]

Templar Vilmon wrote...

Actually, the real history was sort of like that - especially in Greek and Roman times when it was accepted for two young warriors to have a relationship. I'm also sure that medieval nobles got away with ALOT compared to commoners.

Well, accepted as long as they still married and bore a heir.   For the Romans it was only accepted as long they were the male in the relationship.

[Maria Caliban]

marshalleck wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Thedas seems to be a more sexually liberal world as a whole. This is not a bad thing.

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

Why do you think Loghian went bonkers? In Ferelden, they call syphillis the Orlesian lesions.

[TheGreenLion]

marshalleck wrote...

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

I blame mages first....if it's not mages then I blame the Chantry.

[marshalleck]

Maria Caliban wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Thedas seems to be a more sexually liberal world as a whole. This is not a bad thing.

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

Why do you think Loghian went bonkers? In Ferelden, they call syphillis the Orlesian lesions.

Hah!  That is true, it's my prevailing theory that Loghain had syphilis madness. And there is at least one codex entry of a noblewoman burning for and because of her lover.

I suppose with a fairly liberal approach to sexuality it should follow that there would be a number of magical potions and salves to keep ugly infections to a minimum. Perhaps that's why a section of the Tower is off-limits in the Mage origin? They are doing "research."

...and now that I think about it, Morrigan calling the Tower itself a phallic symbol.  It's all starting to make sense!

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:36 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The "Dark Ages" were not so bad as people think. Though homosexuality was considered odd, people weren't that hungup about it being a sin. The only beef with it was in the case of men, where, if you were a noble, they were more concerned with it interfering with your "duty" to marry and produce legit heirs. Marriage had nothing to do with love at the time, and it's purpose was to legalize property transfers, cement alliances between families, ect.



There were a few cases of medieval kings/noblemen who were suspected of being gay in their time. Those that opposed were opposed simply on the grounds that said noble/king would not bed their lawful wife enough times to make little nobles, which was considered the unthinkable/immoral result. But actually being gay? Surprisingly, they really didn't care much. If a gay lord or king sucked it up and suffered the whole act of having sex with their wives, and produced the required offspring, then their "extracurricular activities", whether with men or women, were overlooked and shrugged off, provided you remained reasonably discreet. Even the church was usually willing to look the other way and shrug it off if you produced heirs and in public, continued the charade of being married.



So it is not that surprising that in Thedas, people aren't whipping out pitchforks and waving signs saying "Maker hates queers". Just like in the real Dark Ages, homosexuality is pretty much tolerated and shrugged off. In the case of a king or first child noble, so long as you marry and pop out a few kids, your "true love" can remain with you.

[MassEffect762]

Meh, more like open-minded bioware.

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

Jakia wrote...

The Couslands are probably the most liberal family in Ferelden.

I decided to create a male character (after playing through all the
origins as a female character) and I decided that Corin Cousland would
be decidedly bicurious.  When given the chance, he decided to invite
Darrien up to his room later that night. (which is awesome because I
did not know you could have "fun" with Darrien as a male, like how
girls can have fun with Iona or vice versa).

  Yeah, you can even hit on the elven maiden and propose a threesome if you want to (unsucessfully) Very liberal, indeed :innocent:

[Aedan_Cousland]

Templar Vilmon wrote...

Actually, the real history was sort of like that - especially in Greek and Roman times when it was accepted for two young warriors to have a relationship. I'm also sure that medieval nobles got away with ALOT compared to commoners.

That is incorrect.

The morality of ancient Greece and Rome was certainly very different than Judeo-Christian morality, but it is a bit of a myth that the ancients didn't care what two consenting adults got up to in the privacy of their own villas. Homosexuality for example, was a capital offense in the Roman Army.

[andybuiadh]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Templar Vilmon wrote...

Actually, the real history was sort of like that - especially in Greek and Roman times when it was accepted for two young warriors to have a relationship. I'm also sure that medieval nobles got away with ALOT compared to commoners.

That is incorrect.

The morality of ancient Greece and Rome was certainly very different than Judeo-Christian morality, but it is a bit of a myth that the ancients didn't care what two consenting adults got up to in the privacy of their own villas. Homosexuality for example, was a capital offense in the Roman Army.

True, but it was positively encouraged in Spartan Greece.

[Anton de Staen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Thedas seems to be a more sexually liberal world as a whole. This is not a bad thing.

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

Why do you think Loghian went bonkers? In Ferelden, they call syphillis the Orlesian lesions.

I believe Oghren once mentioned a certain, rather itchy, rash, which hits the.. lower areas.

[aerathnor]

All I know is that the bi/gay dwarf I made gave me a good laugh. Never thought I'd see Legolas and Gimli make the beast with to backs

[Ponce de Leon]

Hmm. Yesterday I romanced Leli with a female. Was expecting Wynne to act differently, but it's absolutely the same thing. Sometimes it may be a good thing, no problems if you're homosexual and all, but sometimes, I'd really like to see how people act. I was at least hoping for a "Maker's BREATH!"

[SarEnyaDor]

I like Zev's dialouge with Shale about it... if you are a female and Shale warns him he could reproduce he's all "there's nothing wrong with little ones" and if you're male he's politely trying to let Shale know that THAT ain't gonna happen. LOL

[The Capital Gaultier]

I think it's an intentional choice. A large number of Medieval and earlier cultures are more accepting of ******- and bisexuality than so-called Western societies.

[Creature 1]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I like Zev's dialouge with Shale about it... if you are a female and Shale warns him he could reproduce he's all "there's nothing wrong with little ones" and if you're male he's politely trying to let Shale know that THAT ain't gonna happen. LOL

Interesting, I'd think Zevran would be vehemently opposed to little ones.  Maybe he's of the opinion that if you have a baby, it's because you wanted it and it's all yours. 

[Korva]

Fergus' amused and approving reaction to my noble warrior's announcement that she had someone waiting for her was one of the things that cemented my love for the Cousland family. He clearly knew which team his little sister was batting for since he guessed correctly it was Iona. I wish the parents would've said something too.

And if the PC goes with the guy, Fergus threatens to beat him up if he hurts you? *cackles* That's another score for big brother. Bloody shame you lose your family so fast, I love them to bits. Really my favourite origin, no contest.

[EricHVela]

I find the Couslands to be the most open-minded conservative family. They have strong religious and family values, but are willing to accept what some might say are "alternate" ways of thinking (which is just simply accepting differences in philosophies as the norm and not something to fret over), unlike some of the liberal-aligned characters in the game who aggressively denounce any differences to their opinions.

[ReubenLiew]

Wynne is just prejudiced. She doesn't react to lesbianism but she seems somewhat uncomfortable if you're doing it with Zevran.



It was just a throwaway line but still.

[JosieJ]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Wynne is just prejudiced. She doesn't react to lesbianism but she seems somewhat uncomfortable if you're doing it with Zevran.

It was just a throwaway line but still.

Wynne didn't seem to mind my Dalish elf PC's romance with Zevran because they were both men.  She seemed to object more because she considered Zevran entirely too frivolous, in addition to the whole Grey-Wardens-Shouldn't-Fall-In-Love thing.  Plus the fact that Zev and the PC were keeping half the camp up all night noisily making love and she was sleep-deprived and cranky!

I did enjoy Fergus chortling and calling my PC a saucy minx when she told him she had company waiting for her, as well as his 'protective big brother' act, but I did find it odd that the father and mother just stand around with no reaction whatsoever, even approval.  Not to mention the fact that Fergus's son was standing around listening, too! 

Modifié par JosieJ, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:30 .

[JosieJ]

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Modifié par JosieJ, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:25 .

[sapphyreelf]

You can proposition Duncan (who politely refuses) in front of both your father and Howe at the very beginning. I was hoping for a reprimand from the Teryn, but alas, he never interjected.

[Herr Uhl]

The only male party members/npc:s you can hit on as a male outside of the pearl is Zev, Oghren, jailor-man and the guy in the human noble origin. Anyone else?

[JosieJ]

sapphyreelf wrote...

You can proposition Duncan (who politely refuses) in front of both your father and Howe at the very beginning. I was hoping for a reprimand from the Teryn, but alas, he never interjected.

Ha! I didn't know you could do that!

Modifié par JosieJ, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:42 .

[kevinwastaken]

marshalleck wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Thedas seems to be a more sexually liberal world as a whole. This is not a bad thing.

Thedas also seems to have a remarkably low incidence of STDs. A curious thing in itself.

Native Americans didn't have many STDs until Europeans brought them. However it is generally agreed that NA gave them syphillus so... well anyway Ferelden isn't on Earth so the diseases are different.


It sucks that you can proposition both Sweet Iona and Sweet Darrian but the other one is an eavesdropping loser who refuses your noble charms.

Modifié par kevinwastaken, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:43 .