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[SheffSteel]

I want to do the right thing by Leliana because... well, we're moving gradually towards an intimate relationship built on trust and respect, so needless to say this is important to my character.
In conversation with Marjolaine, the options that seemed to offer most solidarity with, and support for, Leliana seemed to lead naturally to letting M go. Some discussion followed, about whether the matter was over or not, and I'm a little bit concerned that this issue hasn't really been resolved to Leliana's satisfaction - she said she needed some time to think about it.
The problem is that I really think I ought to be in Orzammar right now, or possibly Redcliffe, and I don't want to come back after a good deal of gameplay only to find that I took the wrong path here - obviously that would involve a lot of backtracking.

So, without too many spoilers please, should I have killed Marjolaine? Is it okay to have let her go? Will everything be okay with Leliana, or did I just cripple what should have bloomed into a wonderful relationship? 

[ReubenLiew]

Yeah, you should.

[The Angry One]

Kill her, and rid the world of her insipid faux French accent forever!

[Varenus Luckmann]

Wheter it matters or not depends on future decisions.

[PinkShira]

I killed her, but I would be interested in hearing if anything comes about if you don't. Is it even brought up again? Does she attack you later?

[Bio Addict]

She doesn't come back to bother you in this game, if that's what you mean. Maybe she'll show up in a sequel or expansion.

[Skellimancer]

When the battle starts run into the first room. More often than not she will follow alone and is a very strange fight.

[The Angry One]

No you never see her again.

Presumably as she's leaving Denerim, she accidentally steps on Loghain's foot. Loghain immediately recognises this as an Orlesian assassination attempt and has her beheaded.

[Zachriel]

If you let her live you never see her in game again. However, if you let her live and you yourself do not survive after the final battle with the archdemon, she is mentioned again in the epilogue.



Trying hard not to spell it out in detail since the OP requested we don't post too many details.

[DragonRageGT]

I have never let her live so I wouldn't know the other way. But then killing her, after that, you'll have a chance to release a darker Leliana, with a kinky sexual appetite too, or let her stay a within a more purist behavior devoted to her boy/girlfriend kinda of girl...

Modifié par RageGT, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:40 .

[SheffSteel]

Thanks people. I do appreciate your thoughtful responses.

[catofnine]

RageGT wrote...
 But then killing her, after that, you'll have a chance to release a darker Leliana, with a kinky sexual appetite too, or let her stay a within a more purist behavior devoted to her boy/girlfriend kinda of girl...

Hmm I thought regardless of whether you killed Marjolaine or not, you still had the option to darken her character?  And that her change could only be brought about by how you answered the post Marjolaine conversation--regardless of how you actually dealt with Marjolaine?

To the OP: My character made sure Marjolaine became part of Denerim's geography.  My elf isn't the type to tolerate an old flame lurking around.

[robertthebard]

You can darken Leliana either way you go. Killing Marjolaine isn't what sparks the dialog, but something in the conversation at her house prior to fight or flight.

[Bhatair]

Zachriel wrote...

If you let her live you never see her in game again. However, if you let her live and you yourself do not survive after the final battle with the archdemon, she is mentioned again in the epilogue.

Trying hard not to spell it out in detail since the OP requested we don't post too many details.

Really? I did this in my first playthrough but I also romanced Lel and didn't harden her.
Arg, now I'll have to do a playthrough just to see this XD

[Korva]

I did kill her, for me it was the "obvious" choice though because of what she did to Leliana. Also, she's obviously powerful and well-connected on top of being so self-centered that she didn't want to believe Leliana's existence does NOT revolve around her anymore so I voted for safe rather than sorry. But you're not shooting yourself in the foot in any way if you let her go so don't worry too much. :happy: What happens next depends on what you say to Leliana much more than on what you did about Marjolaine.

[Maria Caliban]

I didn't kill Margie. I really didn't want Leliana to become comfortable killing her exs in case she realized I spend a great deal of time in Zevran's tent.

Seriously though, I think it would be unpleasent to kill your old lover.

catofnine wrote...

Hmm I thought regardless of whether you killed Marjolaine or not, you still had the option to darken her character?

This is correct.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:57 .

[Emryc]

The Angry One wrote...

Kill her, and rid the world of her insipid faux French accent forever!

This, and only this.

While Leliana's accent actually sounds nice, Marjolaine sounds like she ran from the set of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[nksaint]

She drops a sweet bow. Not sure if you get it if you do not kill her.



I say let her have it. She'd kill you!

[tmp7704]

nksaint wrote...

She drops a sweet bow. Not sure if you get it if you do not kill her.

I say let her have it. She'd kill you!

You get the bow from the chest in her room if you let her go.

on the main subject: allowing her to live seems to only have some effect on the game ending if your relationship with Leliana is below 'love' level.

[Vicious]

The Angry One wrote...

No you never see her again.
Presumably as she's leaving Denerim, she accidentally steps on Loghain's foot. Loghain immediately recognises this as an Orlesian assassination attempt and has her beheaded.

roflcopter

[Midnight Reyn]

In all of my playthroughs, I've let Marjolaine live, mainly because Leliana's dialogue during the confrontation seems to imply that her choice is to let Marjolaine walk away. I always found picking any other option made it seem like my character was making the decision that Marjolaine shouldn't be left alive, and for me that didn't sit well because the decision about what to do with Marjolaine should be Leliana's alone. Whilst the majority of the game is about your character making decisions about how to act and what to do, the companion quests, for me, were a change from that, where I felt I had no right to make decisions about how my party members should resolve their own personal issues.



I can definitely see why it would be prudent to kill Marjolaine, and in one of my playthroughs I'll probably do so to see the consequences (and most likely reload straightaway and choose differently), but for me I've always felt letting Marjolaine live was Leliana's preference anyway.

[Stuffy38]

First time through I let her walk. All subsequent playthroughs I have killed her. I usually select the fourth dialogue option (something like " You know she won't leave you alone "), because that's pretty much what brings her into the story in the first place. The conversation with Leliana afterwards sort of follows that argument - lack of trust and all that jazz.



Oh and I was wondering when she would start calling us daffy english kniggets a la Monty Python as Emryc mentioned above

[old book]

Sorry for the thread necromancy, but this is an interesting topic and I was wondering about it today.



Letting Marj go seems to be what Lel wants, and it is the "merciful" choice. Lel is all about redemption, mercy, and learning not to be the killer Marj tried to make her become. So, I'm tempted to let Marj go.



On the other hand, Marj handed Lel over to be killed once, spied on her, and then tried to have her killed a second time, and my character along with her. Marj can't be convinced that Lel is through with her, that it's over, and while in game she never comes back there seems to be a strong implication that she will try to kill Lel again. I've always killed Marj. It's not merciful, or what Lel wants, but it is the only way to be sure she won't keep striking at Lel every few years.



So, thoughts?

[Chuvvy]

old book wrote...

Sorry for the thread necromancy, but this is an interesting topic and I was wondering about it today.

Letting Marj go seems to be what Lel wants, and it is the "merciful" choice. Lel is all about redemption, mercy, and learning not to be the killer Marj tried to make her become. So, I'm tempted to let Marj go.

On the other hand, Marj handed Lel over to be killed once, spied on her, and then tried to have her killed a second time, and my character along with her. Marj can't be convinced that Lel is through with her, that it's over, and while in game she never comes back there seems to be a strong implication that she will try to kill Lel again. I've always killed Marj. It's not merciful, or what Lel wants, but it is the only way to be sure she won't keep striking at Lel every few years.

So, thoughts?

Just don't break up with her afterwards. If you break up with her and she's not hardened she goes back to her. That's some serious stockholm syndrome.

[RavenousBear]

From the dialogue during the confrontation, I thought Leliana wanted Marjolaine to just scram and never come back. I let her go on my first and second pcs, I do not know what I will do on my 3rd right now. If Leliana returns in an expansion or the sequel perhaps another confrontation may occur.