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Dragon Age sales figures for November (console only). Not doing well on console.


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Jerret wrote...

Anyhoo, agree with last poster.  PC sales will be a fraction of the sales.  Less and less peeps can afford/want to afford $1000+ hardware rigs.


Obviously I don't know what are the sales for DA:O PC, but consider that in Europe PC is probably the dominant gaming platform (if we do not talk about Wii that appeals a completely different market). You know, even the XBox has piracy issues...

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I never so much thought the issue with RPGs on consoles vs. Pcs was so much the gamers themselves as the hardware...a PC just seems to allow greater flexibility in terms of control for these sorts of games. Little things like inventory management, controlling multiple characters etc. always just seemed to me to be smoother with a mouse & keyboard as opposed to a controller. Not a huge issue but when deciding which platform to buy a game for unless I've heard that one version of the game is particularly better that is usually one of the deciding factors.


You can get keyboard support easily on xbox (with USB-connectors). Nobody used it so far...Thats not a problem of the console itself.


For consoles, the keyboard is an OPTIONAL peripheral, and it doesn't come as part of the standard package. So console games cannot require you to go out and buy a keyboard just to play it. That's bad game design.


That seems to be a useful argument. But its the same with PC and if you want to play Wow, Guild Wars or something else. Your internet access is not in the game....nor in your PC ;) At the end you ordered an access at your local provider. That argument doesnt count. Beside this, every Xbox (-live)-member possesses a keyboard, even if it is the one for the pad  - believe me :)

Modifié par Lohe, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:01 .


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It's getting hammered for poor graphics on consoles in numberous reviews, so not much a surprise

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i cant wait till i get my new pc :(

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For a console beeing so old, the PC graphics arent a big hit either :) Well. Maybe its just not everybody has upgraded their machine ;) Im pleased with my xbox-graphics. Some of the reviews are just lying. There are no big popups of scenery. And I havent noticed the big stuttering some reviews mentions. Its as usual: Better have your own look on a game and dont trust anyone you dont know personally :)



However, lets hope ALL versions are selling good - you can guess why :)

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Lohe wrote...

For a console beeing so old, the PC graphics arent a big hit either :) Well. Maybe its just not everybody has upgraded their machine ;) Im pleased with my xbox-graphics. Some of the reviews are just lying. There are no big popups of scenery. And I havent noticed the big stuttering some reviews mentions. Its as usual: Better have your own look on a game and dont trust anyone you dont know personally :)

However, lets hope ALL versions are selling good - you can guess why :)


You can blame consoles for the GFX on PCs, think logic or practical or whatever, anyhow if they develop the game for the console then it means it would be less pretty on PC compared to how much performance you can get out of a PC, it is a simple fact and not hard to understand.

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Lohe wrote...

For a console beeing so old, the PC graphics arent a big hit either :) Well. Maybe its just not everybody has upgraded their machine ;) Im pleased with my xbox-graphics. Some of the reviews are just lying. There are no big popups of scenery. And I havent noticed the big stuttering some reviews mentions. Its as usual: Better have your own look on a game and dont trust anyone you dont know personally :)

However, lets hope ALL versions are selling good - you can guess why :)


The game has a lot fewer of the 360 graphics issues than ME did. The worst part on the 360 are the load times being a bit long but if I had the HD and could install it to there that might help a lot.

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blazin130791 wrote...

sorry if these points have allready been made but most people prefer RPGs ona PC. I would defintly have bought DA on pc if my computer hadnt decided to die on me a few weeks ago :(


Most is based on some scientific survey? Short of DOA coming to the consoles I'd not be an owner because I don't game on the PC (insert PC gamer snobbery here)  and the larger pool of total gamers is on the console market.

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COD would be top it's great game glad DAO is there too

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Not doing well? Isn't making the top 10 game across all consoles doing pretty damn good? I mean for all games on release for all consoles there are only 8 games that are doing better. I think as far as games in general go if you make the top 10 you are doing astonishingly well!

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blazin130791 wrote...

sorry if these points have allready been made but most people prefer RPGs ona PC.


Here, on Bioware forums, makers of PC RPGs, yes. That's far from true for the worldwide RPG audience.

blazin130791 wrote...

also RPGs havn't been that popular for years so to see an RPG in the top ten on a system that isnt even favoured by many RPG players is a good sign, to me at least :)


Nah, RPGs have always been quite popular. They just don't sell millions of millions of copies. They still make 20% of the market by genre. Can't say the 360 doesn't sell RPGs, see Fable 2 and Mass Effect sales. Mass Effect had a bit higher sales than DA: O on its first month and managed to sell over 2m copies on the 360. 

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memtz wrote...

Nah, RPGs have always been quite popular. They just don't sell millions of millions of copies. They still make 20% of the market by genre. Can't say the 360 doesn't sell RPGs, see Fable 2 and Mass Effect sales. Mass Effect had a bit higher sales than DA: O on its first month and managed to sell over 2m copies on the 360. 

There's also Oblivion and Oblivion with Guns -each sold (a good deal) more than 4m copies!...so yeah -RPG certainly aren't "dead" or "not so popular anymore".

DA sales so far are somewhat ...dissapointing. The game certainly did not flop but it's not flying off the shelves either.

At least EA seems to be happy with the DLC sales. Somehow I'm rather skeptical that those sales will stay that high, though -considering the quality of the upcoming DLC (Return to Ostagar will have even less content than the already ultra-short Warden's Keep).

...I still think there will be a sequel, though.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 12 décembre 2009 - 02:58 .


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I do find it funny that so many are still buying Wii games though.

Why?
Personally I find the Wii one of the more interesting consoles on the market today. The "controller" is far superior than that of the PS3 and Xbox. Works almost like that of a PC mouse.
It's the only console I would ever consider buying, in fact.. For gaming that is.. PS3 is somewhat interesting but only because of its blu-ray capability. As for the Xbox.. I'll never understand why that's even being bought.

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GreenSoda wrote...

There's also Oblivion and Oblivion with Guns -each sold (a good deal) more than 4m copies!...so yeah -RPG certainly aren't "dead" or "not so popular anymore".

DA sales so far are somewhat ...dissapointing. The game certainly did not flop but it's not flying off the shelves either.


But why are the sales disappointing to you? It follows a similar pattern to ME, which sold very well.

Modifié par memtz, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:26 .


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Lets put it this way. Technically the console version is a 9 month project, a ported game from the PC. It only took the fraction of a cost to port the game compared to making a console game from the ground up. Half a million sales on the Consoles is a smashing hit for a game that cost so little by comparison. From the sounds of it, the PC version was a smashing hit as well, and probably means that Dragon Age 2 will be another PC game that is ported over to the consoles to ensure the same kind of success.



Does make me wonder though. If developers are making a AAA title for Xbox360, PS3, and the PC, could they make more money from it if they made it a PC game first, and then ported it to the consoles? I know many gamers who never buy PC games that are ported from the consoles, but are willing to buy games that are PC games ported to the consoles, just reading various PC gaming forums through out the internet shows this.

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memtz wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

There's also Oblivion and Oblivion with Guns -each sold (a good deal) more than 4m copies!...so yeah -RPG certainly aren't "dead" or "not so popular anymore".

DA sales so far are somewhat ...dissapointing. The game certainly did not flop but it's not flying off the shelves either.


But why are the sales disappointing to you? It follows a similar pattern to ME, which sold very well.

Simply because it feels like DA didn't met the expectations...especially after being available on all current platforms (withough the Wii of course).

...coupled with the expensive marketing campaign it's just..well, dissapointing that DA (currently) sells a little slower than ME did back when it was a 360 exclusive. Or let's put it this way: It did not sell as bad as I feared, but also not as good as I hoped it would.

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The PS3 version  also came out late November in many regions so any worldwide figures for sales would be low on it, 
as the mods get better the PC sales will keep going up even if the console sales drop off
i think they will make quite a bit off DLC on the consoles from traded games later as well

as they get to trade in games unlike us PC gamers  as the console crowd like to point out to me
while trying to pull the old PC's cost so much to buy/upgrade ploy which i find so funny as i can build one for as much or less than a console & $100-$200 GPU upgrade every 1-2 years is ok

i know one guy that paid out  $120  for his pre order of MW2 +  $70 for the special bluetooth PS3 headset that they put out for it    X that by 2 because he got the same for his son as well so the cost of the 2 games alone would buy me a new video card

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Simply because it feels like DA didn't met the expectations...especially after being available on all current platforms (withough the Wii of course).

...coupled with the expensive marketing campaign it's just..well, dissapointing that DA (currently) sells a little slower than ME did back when it was a 360 exclusive. Or let's put it this way: It did not sell as bad as I feared, but also not as good as I hoped it would.


Given the bad marketing push and Bioware mishandling,I would be happy with Dragon age selling on par with Mass effect.The first Mass effect was properly marketed and that should be no surprise since Microsoft are great at doing that. ;)

Bioware did a bad job of showing what Dragon age would be all about(mostly random trailers or cutscenes from the game which didn't tell us how it would play+mediocre Marylin Manson music :sick:).We hardly knew anything about the game depth or exactly what kind of rpg it would be(we hardly knew about the classes,spells,tactics,etc).On Neogaf,the game was being bashed daily and most people were convinved that it would either bomb or be a bad game.It took leaked reviews to re-assure those who hadn't lost faith in the game that it would be anywhere near decent. :lol: It's the Bioware game I was the least interested or hyped about to be sure.

Mass effect 2 is the contrary,as Bioware/EA seems to be getting their act together.The game is properly marketed and the hype is very strong.It's obvious that Mass effect 2 will outsell both Dragon age and the original ME.

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Jerret wrote...

Anyhoo, agree with last poster.  PC sales will be a fraction of the sales.  Less and less peeps can afford/want to afford $1000+ hardware rigs.


Funny you can pay less than 500€ for a low range PC which will run dragon age. My PC brought 2 years ago as a budget PC can, with only upgrades to memory and the graphics card. Add to that the ability to do other things than playing games and PC's makes themselves far more cost effective than a console.

I would like to see a child writing up their homework on a console. As dragon age should appeal to the "adult" market it could very well reach those "older" generation players who used to tabletop fantasy roleplay who do not own consoles as they have a PC at home for multiple purposes in a family environment.

Finally with the reviews I have seen as well as comments the platform of choice if people could was stated to be PC. This would probably influence a fair amount of people to purchase it on PC rather than a console.

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I spend too much time working on a computer already for my income, and have to deal with managing or avoiding carpal tunnel syndrome, lower back pain or neck/eye strain from prolonged computer use. I well remember building and upgrading PCs year after year, specifically to have a quality gaming rig, along with the lost hours dealing with tech support and hunting down drivers, and/or circumventing copy protection that broke my operating systems, and the joys of doing a clean install, again and again.

And then I switched to Mac.

Even ran a WinXP partition on a Mac for awhile just to play Guild Wars, which I eventually deleted. Come to think of it, it was actually the two month long headache of trying to get Mass Effect PC to work on that system which drove me to finally give in and purchase a console - one of the best purchases I ever made.

But hey, some people find joy in building a Hackintosh, running three flavors of Linux on the same system, and figuring out how to get the complete Ultima collection to run under a DOS emulator in Windows.

If DA:O had been PC only, would never have purchased it.

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lol @ all the speculation in this thread

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Over 550k in the US without PC sales is solid. It's not doing nearly as poorly as some are suggesting.

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Jerret wrote...

Anyhoo, agree with last poster.  PC sales will be a fraction of the sales.  Less and less peeps can afford/want to afford $1000+ hardware rigs.


Funny you can pay less than 500€ for a low range PC which will run dragon age. My PC brought 2 years ago as a budget PC can, with only upgrades to memory and the graphics card. Add to that the ability to do other things than playing games and PC's makes themselves far more cost effective than a console.

I would like to see a child writing up their homework on a console. As dragon age should appeal to the "adult" market it could very well reach those "older" generation players who used to tabletop fantasy roleplay who do not own consoles as they have a PC at home for multiple purposes in a family environment.

Finally with the reviews I have seen as well as comments the platform of choice if people could was stated to be PC. This would probably influence a fair amount of people to purchase it on PC rather than a console.


A co-worker and I have been keeping track of our video game hobby spending for the last 9 years, just for the fun of it because of a conversation we had.  He bought the PS2 on release day, same with the PS3.  I bought a new computer around the same time as the PS2 was released.

So far I have spent about $1200 less in 9 years with PC gaming then he did, and I have bought 15 more games then he has.  My system was always on par or better then the PS2 and PS3.  It is a myth now days saying that console gaming is cheaper then PC gaming.  With all new console games being $60, and PC games ranging from $20 to 50, with a vast amount being $40.

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I just cant imagine how can people with XBOX360 or PS3 play RPGs and FPS i would break my fingers trying to look around with those control pads ....

I bought my PC two and a half years ago for 800€ and never upgraded it ...on 24ench screen ( 1920 X 1050) I run all of my games on high or even very high ( 2X AA ) settings and do all of my work on it, you ll never see me buying a console ...



And i hope DAO does good eith sales its my favorite RPG and I wont take a brake from this game until January 26th .....

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It is a myth now days saying that console gaming is cheaper then PC gaming.  With all new console games being $60, and PC games ranging from $20 to 50, with a vast amount being $40.


While certainly cheaper money-wise, what is rarely calculated in these kind of debates is the value of the time involved too.  Yes, I have spent more money since getting a console; however I don't lose nearly as much time to technical issues.  

Seriously, I spent almost as much time trying to get Mass Effect PC to run properly on a professional high-end system way above the recommended specifications then it took to actually play the game on the Xbox.  That has a value too.