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[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Basileus777 wrote...

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

Who cares? Really, why should we as players care how much a game sells? This is for EA and Bioware to worry about. Not us.

WIth EA bleeding money, laying off personel and closing studios, Bioware/RPG fans should certainly care how well it sells. The likelihood of getting similar games in the future is dependant on DA's sales.

These numbers are fine though.  We'll likely see a sequel.

How can you call yourself a fan of bioware rather than the games they create?

It seem like a wrong tendency in general concerning games that people worry more about the company than the games itself, start worrying about the game rather than the company, maybe we at some point actually could get some better made games than DA:O with more details, better finesse as well as up to date GFX as a bonus packet.

For an instance stopped buying new Speed games like need for speed, mainreason is it is not a new game but the same game just with new levels in... and not updated GFX... when you look at the commercials and trailers the games look so much better for an instance but then when you get it, then it is all about messed up out dated bull****... than run even on the weakest console out there.

The game companies are rather screwing us than doing anything good as of current... it is not just bioware, it is every single game developer out there that does such... they sell us something that is not the same as we have seen compared to what you get when you install it.

[Sidney]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

If you ask me, most console gamers are casual people who want instant action such as Call of Duty, and not an in depth game like Dragon Age or Mass Effect. PC gamers tend to be the more die hard fans of a game or genre, after all the RPG was born off of the PC.

100% silly comment.  

I've lived the dream of PC gaming. I've been playing RPG's on a PC since Wasteland came out. I've loaded DOS=HIGH to try and find more memory for games back in the
day and had different boot discs for each game to  squeeze out enough
power to find them.

Like many of my peers who used to do all that, I walked away from PC gaming because the only thing I need a PC powerful enough to game with is gaming. When you own a laptop the cost factor goes way up to have a video card enabled game over one with the integrated video processor. I tired of the endless driver, video/audio card problems that gaming on the PC got me. My console is like my other appliances, it just works. I plug it in and it does what it should with no questions asked. I understand the limits it brings but that's a trade off I've made.

I doubt RPG's have ever been the biggest sellers on any platform. I mean the height of PC game sales were Doom, Half Life and Quake for the longest time. I'm guessing MW will outsell DOA on the PC as well. RPG's are a niche market anywhere they go.

[bjdbwea]

If you'd really been playing PC games back then, you'd know that a) the hardware was much more expensive, and the knowledge required much higher. And you'd know that, at least since XP, a PC, properly configured once, rarely has "video/audio card problems" as long as the hardware itself functions properly.



And with most games required to run on consoles, therefore limiting technical advances, the PC hardware race has slowed down significantly (much to my delight).

[Sam -stone- serious]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

As a friend of some of those who were foaming at the mouth for CoD for untold months, the sales do not surprise me. I do find it funny that so many are still buying Wii games though.

What exactly is so surprising? This console has more sales worldwide than both X360 and PS3 combined and then some.

[Killian Kalthorne]

My new PC that I am getting is going to cost as much as the MW2 Limited Edition XBox 360 and be far more powerful than it. ALl I need to do is plug in my 8800 GT and Sounbdblaster Audigy card and BOOM! I will be able to play the same games at a much much higher detail level.

[Dauphin2]

Considering that every person that posts here asking if they should get it on the console, or the PC, is told to get it on the PC; and considering Console sales overall are on the decline, and considering consoles can't die out soon enough for my taste, this isn't surprising.

[LanceX2]

362,000 is highly innaccurate for 360.

VG chartz has sales for 750,000 Dragon age.

I understand it may not be very accurate but ur gauranteed its higher then 362,000 and is NOT declining

[blazin130791]

EggShen76 wrote...

Part of my mythical dream future includes toolkits getting released for consoles as well. LOL. A man can dream. It does hurt to miss out on player-made content with a console.

amen.

my pc broke not long before i got DA, **** my life.

[Leather_Rebel90]

Games such as Dragon Age never do well on consoles, most console gamers are kids between the ages of 10-17, which usually means they either don't care about a solid plot, or don't have the patience for it. The only reason Mass Effect went over well was because it was a shooter. Hell, I know the only reasons my friends & I bought the 360 was to play Madden. And also, most gamers have both a console and a good PC, which means when it comes time to buy a game, most will choose the PC over the console for numerous (and obvious) reasons.

[SirVanguard]

Bibdy wrote...

The RPG-gamer market is small on consoles (though apparently enough to lower texture quality in the game to be able to market it on consoles). I imagine the PC figures will put things into perspective.

I dunno about the Assassin's Creed franchise being that great...I played into the 2nd major area and mary mother of god that game was repetitive.

No, it's small on the X360, which is why I always thought it was odd that Bioware and Bethesda both prioritize the systems that spat heavily on RPGs in the first place, while touting the next map set for Halo as the most innovative thing ever... but that's just me.

IT's also true, however, that SoA treated both Fallout 3 and Dragon Age as like "oh, and aside from these 50 mediocre shooters that we're getting, here's a couple of those strange RPG things that nerds liked on the PS2. We'll have a column about that somewhere, but now here's something ELSE that looks like an X360 game!"

Dragon Age will continue to have sales for a long time, well after most shooters have been forgotten. RPG fans tend to buy many RPGs, and keeps them forever... the precious... yes...

[Leather_Rebel90]

SirVanguard wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

The RPG-gamer market is small on consoles (though apparently enough to lower texture quality in the game to be able to market it on consoles). I imagine the PC figures will put things into perspective.

I dunno about the Assassin's Creed franchise being that great...I played into the 2nd major area and mary mother of god that game was repetitive.

No, it's small on the X360, which is why I always thought it was odd that Bioware and Bethesda both prioritize the systems that spat heavily on RPGs in the first place, while touting the next map set for Halo as the most innovative thing ever... but that's just me.

IT's also true, however, that SoA treated both Fallout 3 and Dragon Age as like "oh, and aside from these 50 mediocre shooters that we're getting, here's a couple of those strange RPG things that nerds liked on the PS2. We'll have a column about that somewhere, but now here's something ELSE that looks like an X360 game!"

Dragon Age will continue to have sales for a long time, well after most shooters have been forgotten. RPG fans tend to buy many RPGs, and keeps them forever... the precious... yes...

Please tell me you're not honestly defending the PS3? I hate Halo just as much as the next guy, the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360, and for a long while was much more expensive. There has been a good RPG on console in forever (Excluding the one's that BioWare has produced)... And if someone mentions some hentai or whatever RPG I'm going to laugh my ass off. Those are the most ridiculous things ever.

[Lacan2]

xguild wrote...

Not doing well? Isn't making the top 10 game across all consoles doing pretty damn good? I mean for all games on release for all consoles there are only 8 games that are doing better. I think as far as games in general go if you make the top 10 you are doing astonishingly well!

Not really. I've seen a number of comments like this in the thread. Dragon Age had some pretty unprecedented promotion for a Bioware RPG; their commercials were on TV a LOT. By contrast, I haven't seen any Assassin's Creed commercials.

Honestly, I would have expected it to outsell a game that had only been out for 13 days, since it had been out for nearly the entire month.

And to people pointing out that my hope PC sales for DA > console sales for DA, yes I realize this is a virtual fantasy in today's market. I guess I'm just being optimistic. What to take out of this? I guess Bioware should port better. It was slammed by a full point on Gamespot for the 360 version.

Modifié par Lacan2, 13 décembre 2009 - 10:00 .

[LanceX2]

Leather_Rebel90 wrote...

Games such as Dragon Age never do well on consoles, most console gamers are kids between the ages of 10-17, which usually means they either don't care about a solid plot, or don't have the patience for it. The only reason Mass Effect went over well was because it was a shooter. Hell, I know the only reasons my friends & I bought the 360 was to play Madden. And also, most gamers have both a console and a good PC, which means when it comes time to buy a game, most will choose the PC over the console for numerous (and obvious) reasons.

..lol most gamers are 10-17?? I highly doubt that man. Lets see a chart??

The 360 version sold MUCH more then 362k. Its at 750,000 units since release now. Hardly bad at all.

[LanceX2]

Also, for an RPG non shooter on the console its done VERY!!! WELL!!.



It will sell more then a million quickly.

[Pugnate]

Fredescu wrote...

So this is how you get a sales thread noticed. Imply negativity. 600k+ combined in US alone in one month is fantastic. It's on track to outsell Mass Effect's first couple of months.

AgenTBC wrote...
I assume VGchartz is full of crap? Do they just make up their numbers?

Yes they are. Yes they do.

Mass Effect sold nearly 2 million copies on the 360 in its first month and a half.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of sales come from the USA.

Yea the DA:O sales are a bit depressing, but let's hope it has the legs to continue to sell throughout the year. Perhaps it will be the new Sims?

It is still the no2 PC game on Amazon.

Modifié par Pugnate, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:16 .

[Fredescu]

Pugnate wrote...
Mass Effect sold nearly 2 million copies on the 360 in its first month and a half.

"Nearly 2 million" is an exaggeration. It did 1.6 million by January.. http://www.gamespot....ws/6184291.html . Those figures are worldwide too, while NPD tracks US only. If you take US numbers as rougly half of worldwide numbers, which they were for Mass Effect, it is past 1 million worldwide already. Considering DA:O still has the very lucrative december period to sell, it is on track to do similar numbers to Mass Effect by January.

Modifié par Fredescu, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:20 .

[MerinTB]

Pugnate wrote...
It is still the no2 PC game on Amazon.

It sure is number 2.  And while it is number 2 and has customer reviews giving it 4 1/2 out of 5 stars,
MW2 is number 3 and with reviews giving it 2 out of 5 stars.

Right after it, L4D 2, is number 4 with 4 out of 5 stars, so it's not some anti-FPS bias.

[Clovis-]

NPD's also don't track all retailers in North America; the biggest being Wal-mart.

That being said; Assassin's Creed 2 was a very different game than Dragon Age, but definitely a better game for the masses.


Plus DA is going to make a ton of money on DLC where Mass Effect did not.

Modifié par Clovis-, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:25 .

[TheNecroFiend]

What does number two on amazon mean? What are the sales number on amazon?

[JJM152]

To put this as simple as possible:



Consoles are popular for two very important reasons:



1) They are easy to operate.

2) They are cost effective.



I own both a high end gaming rig that I built from the ground up that cost me over 2 grand. It's a monster. I also own an Xbox 360.



Games I know that I absolutely want to play, I buy for the PC (if they are available). Everything else is a rental from Blockbuster.



Brutal Legend - Rented.

Borderlands - Rented.

Uncharted - Rented.

L4D - bought on Steam

DA:O - bought retail!



I save an enormous amount of money renting Xbox games from the video store and I'm not even poor! I can imagine that the popularity of consoles has a lot to do with the barrier to entry being so low (although rising unfortunately) and the fact that the media can be rented for only a few dollars, which is a great deal considering most titles these day come in well under 30 or 40 hrs of gameplay and with little replay value.



Anyway, put yourself in the shoes of the average consumer. Married, has a couple of kids, making the median household income of 48k/year. A few hundred bucks for a gaming console for your kids that you expect to last 3-4 years, plus a few bucks every other weekend to rent the kids some games from the video store isn't as big of an investment as the alternatives.



This is a big part of the reason why consoles are so popular - people tend to follow the path of least resistance. There are just more barriers involved with getting into gaming on the PC.

[MerinTB]

You used to be able to rent PC games from numerous places.



PC games have always dropped drastically in prices.



And for most games installation is no harder than installing on your 360's hard drive.



I understood, in the past, the "I don't understand" PCs argument. But this day in age, with kids working on computers in grade school, is far different from when I was in grade school and there were few computers that rarely had kids working on them. There PC barrier didn't stop tons of music file-sharing. I know non-computer literate people everywhere who know their PC well enough to rent movies and copy them - that requires special software and tweaking settings (I used to do in-home computer repair for a couple different companies and it's suprising how open people are about these things.)



I will grant consoles the laziness factor.

[EggShen76]

Just because kids grow up with computers, it doesn't make them any more likely to understand the behind-the-scenes operations of a PC. It doesn't make them any better at troubleshooting. I find kids that grow up thinking computers are simple and easy to use are the ones that have computers completely infested with spyware and viruses and they are the ones that think you simply get a new computer when yours slows down. You know, a new one every couple years. . .

Think updating a device driver is as simple as updating a device driver? Hasn't been that way in my experience. First, you'll need to make sure you completely get rid of the ORIGINAL device driver or else you'll have even more trouble. That might require a special downloaded application in and of itself. And when you do finally update it to get a new game working correctly (maybe. . . ), you'll find older games suddenly crashing when they didn't used to, etc. etc. etc.

Console gamers are 10-17??? LOL. Hilarious. You think they all stop buying consoles at the magical age of 17, and with their new 18 year old maturity level, they progress to the obviously superior computer gaming platform? Or maybe they just stop gaming altogether at 18? That's good stuff.

Laziness factor for consoles? I mean, I guess that's one way to look at it. But why in the world would any right minded consumer NOT want his purchase to work as advertised without constant maintenance and/or crashing and/or underperformance that requires the lowering of graphical detail and/or overheating and/or insufficient power supply to support your new video card or a host of other factors that computers have. Either you're not lazy, or you're technically savvy, or you are a masochist. Good for you.

Bottom line, I like good games. I really don't care what platform they come out on. But I'm most definitely done with the frustration of keeping my computer up to date and hoping games run properly on it. And like an earlier poster, I've been fighting to get games to run on my computers since the days of the commodore 64 and 128. And amiga. I can remember my brother and I on an epic 2 day long quest to get Might and Magic III to run on our first IBM. Seems like we even had to adjust the jumpers on a piece of hardware. . . cripe! In my experience, it's not a whole lot different now that it's ever been. Not in price, not in ease of use. It's entirely possible I'm just a dunce, but at 33, I'm finally making the decision to go console only (now that they have hard-drives and are hooked up to the internet). YMMV.

Modifié par EggShen76, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:09 .

[screwoffreg]

In the end, this is all speculation. Either way, it looks like its going to be a good few months for Bioware. Dragon Age will sell well, though maybe not to some peoples lofty expectations and with Mass Effect 2 a bit over a month away, 2010 will start off strong! Let's hope both franchises continue for some time to come.