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[Daennikus]

The movie is out worldwide now, and the official community site is always slow or overloaded. So here's to all of the people who have seen Prometheus and wish to discuss it. 

Do you want to go see it a second time? 

Personally, I'll be waiting for the director's cut. I loved the movie, but don't want to post a lengthy review. Overall, I was very pleased. 

Modifié par Daennikus, 08 juin 2012 - 05:17 .

[jackofalltrades456]

One part of me was happy to finally see the Space Jockeys actual appearance. While the other was disappointed that it was just a blue human.

Still a great movie, though.

[Daennikus]

Strange how people see them blue-skinned, they looked extremely white and colorless to me. Their skin was so devoid of pigmentation you could see the little black veins on their skull.

*Spoilers*

The reasons why Space Jockeys had to destroy humans in the first was because they were evolving to a point where they could no longer be controlled. Remember the murals and the "ancient astronauts" paintings? If you look at the Project Prometheus website, you learn that Weyland Corp has colonized dozens of planets, stretching hundreds of light years away from the solar system. They create androids, synthetic life as you will, and have become gods of their own.

And simply having the presence of humans on his ship was reason enough to react the way the last Engineer did. David spoke ancient Summerian, and whether he was understood or not has no importance. Humans had stepped out of line as "underlings".

[ObserverStatus]

Personally I thought that this movie suffered from a lot of the same problems as Avatar. While it was shiny and impressive, they both suffered in the respect that the movie became a bit hard to believe when you realize how hilariously bad the more technologically advanced race is at wiping out the less technologically advanced race.

In other words, wouldn't it have been more safer and more efficient for the Space Jockeys to nuke us from orbit?

[ObserverStatus]

Para-Medic wrote...
*SPOILERS*
 I also like their logic - if someone asks you a question, pull that person's head off. why did David poison Halloway? Was there any reason for that? Also, how did Janek know that the planet was a testing ground? 

From Rubber:

"In the Steven Spielberg movie E.T., why is the alien brown? No reason. In Love Story, why do the two characters fall madly in love with each other? No reason. In Oliver Stone's JFK, why is the President suddenly assassinated by some stranger? No reason. In the excellent Chain Saw Massacre by Tobe Hooper, why don't we ever see the characters go to the bathroom or wash their hands like people do in real life? Absolutely no reason. Worse, in The Pianist by Polanski, how come this guy has to hide and live like a bum when he plays the piano so well? Once again the answer is, no reason. I could go on for hours with more examples. The list is endless. You probably never gave it a thought, but all great films, without exception, contain an important element of no reason. And you know why? Because life itself is filled with no reason. Why can't we see the air all around us? No reason. Why are we always thinking? No reason. Why do some people love sausages and other people hate sausages? No ****ing reason. Ladies, gentlemen, the film you are about to see today is an homage to the "no reason" - that most powerful element of style."

[Obadiah]

I saw the movie, and it's great! It doesn't spell out any of the motives of the aliens, and leaves the viewer to piece it all together. If those goofy AVP movies left a crappy taste in your mouth, then this is the movie for you.

For myself, I believe it is a "Creations rebelling against the Creator" story since the aliens at the beginning on Earth are humans, and the ones the Prometheus finds look part synthetic.

Whatever their motives were, the movie was fantastic - and I'm going to go watch Alien again now.

No further sequels please.

Para-Medic wrote...
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Why did David poison Halloway? Was there any reason for that?
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I believe David was "in-love" with Dr. Shaw and probably psychotic. Also, I believe it deduced early on what the purpose of the alien installation was, and set about trying use it to off the crew to gain his freedom. The was my  interpretation for the poisoning, and why he led the team to the alien cryo-pod.

Para-Medic wrote...
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Also, how did Janek know that the planet was a testing ground?
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The guy just seemed like he'd been around, and made the logical deduction.

Modifié par Obadiah, 08 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[Naughty Bear]

I thought the film was pretty ****. Just ended exactly like Halo 2, except Shaw was going to them.

[Daennikus]

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally I thought that this movie suffered from a lot of the same problems as Avatar. While it was shiny and impressive, they both suffered in the respect that the movie became a bit hard to believe when you realize how hilariously bad the more technologically advanced race is at wiping out the less technologically advanced race.

In other words, wouldn't it have been more safer and more efficient for the Space Jockeys to nuke us from orbit?

Safer? Nukes involve weaponry, which the Space Jockeys seem to have none at the point when humans meet them. Perhaps they're such an old civilization that they seem to function outside the conventional laws of warfare. 

More efficient? Let's see it your way. We assume that humans must die, but in this universe as most may not know, the species has millions spread across the galaxy in planetary colonies. Humans are already advanced and can probably master orbital countermeasures. That's the problem with warheads, there's always a way to see them coming. They're basically at their technological "prime" in terms of machinery and destruction. By facing their fleet and military security head-on, you jeopardize your objective. Biological weapons are the way to go. 

It sounds like I'm making excuses for the movie, but I'm not into Avatar so I don't know how the two even compare, plot-wise. Prometheus is not Alien either. Maybe you aren't used to science-fiction. It's not about the possibility of all of this happening, hence why it's made into a movie, right? A lot of people seem to have a problem with their ability to "believe" with this film. Which is ironic considering the subject.

[Obadiah]

Daennikus wrote...
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We assume that humans must die, but in this universe as most may not know, the species has millions spread across the galaxy in planetary colonies. Humans are already advanced and can probably master orbital countermeasures.
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I think the original alien bodies were 2000 years old. That means that at the time they were planning to launch we humans would still have been confined to one planet.

Modifié par Obadiah, 09 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Zulmoka531]

I didn't think it was a bad movie, but definitely not the best I've seen. I was glued to the screen the whole time, however.

But after the credits rolled, I sort of went back through it in my head and had a lot of questions. Certain scenes seemed to be in there just for the hell of it, certain events sort of happened just because. In fact certain parts were very reminiscent of ME3's ending...

I envision a director's cut at some point, and most definitely a sequel(s).

[LTD]

This movie was so great I somehow managed to forgive it exceptional amount of flaws without deciding it is, ijn fact a **** movie.  I don't know if I really liked the visuals that much or was it just the Alien fan boy in me loving the world and managing to win the day with his thismoviedoesnothaverighttobeabadone - chant. But yeah! I liked it!!!:l

Loved visuals of all and everything really! I liked the origins story well enough for sure. Neat enough little twist with them Jockeys.

Every single human in the show(minus the engineer) was stupid. They did stupid things. They said stupid things. They responded in stupid fashion to situations that too, were often pretty goddamn stupid. It was impossible to care of their fates in any way.  Approximately 0 of them came off as a person who future Apple would want to send to space to investigate stuff. Air is breathable so hay time to remove helmets and/or smoke weed! Let's also pat this alien snake we found, then go open the door to our dead friend/unknown threat. P:S Neither I nor my friends  give a **** if you run off to have space alien abortion elsewhere in our ship. In fact, let's not even talk about it afterwards, would be awkward:)
Stupid. Why and how they write their characters this poorly?

The crew has lot to learn from their superior ancestors; clearly Engineers know well when it is time to  STFU and do your goddamned job as well as you can... Until it is time to die horribly. Now THERE is how a scientist should behave in Alien world. These are the people Weyland should hire, not the weed smoking space abortion making randomly ship door opening idiots.

Modifié par LTD, 09 juin 2012 - 07:09 .

[Leinadi]

The movie is unfortunately all over the place, the script could've used a *lot* of focus, especially in terms of the characters.

-For a scientific crew, the crew works incredibly unprofessional out on the field. I'm not demanding 100% reality here but they are completely careless at times.

-Boyfriend scientist gets all sad and mopey that the creators were not alive. Nevermind that it's one of the greatest discoveries of all mankind, and that they have been there for like... a day? They haven't even scratched the surface of the mysteries.

-Who on earth would invite the geologist guy to come along? Disaster waiting to happen.

-Him and the biologist act like complete tards (never mind that the geologist actually had the mapping technology and yet they were still the ones who got lost). One of the biggest wtf moments is the biologist doing the whole "but it's... it's sooo preeeeetty!" thing while confronted with an alien snake creature which hisses threateningly at him.

-The fact that noone would monitor these two guys while they are down alone on an alien planet overnight. And the captain even making fun of them.

-"Perfect match DNA". Err, okay?

-Noone has like... any reactions to the horrors they've seen. There's never a scene where characters are allowed to react (compare to Alien where you have scenes with the crew trying to sort out what on earth just happened, see the panic rising).

-Why does noone follow Shaw after she knocks people on the head and heads for the abortion (abortion itself was probably the scariest scene in the film though)? Why does noone ask questions afterwards? Does noone want to know just what happened when she FRICKING ABORTED AN ALIEN BEING FROM HERSELF AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CREATURE?! Argh.

-Weyland is on-board the ship and he is in bad old man make-up! My god, but wait... Charlize Theron is actually her... DAUGHTER! Dun dun dun! Why was this even in the film, it leads absolutely nowhere?

-The "sacrifice" scene at the end was terrible and undercooked. I'm supposed to care for these guys who barely had any screentime and zero character development? Yeeaah...

-Proto-Alien at the end just felt like... weird and badly done fanservice. Why was that even in there?


I think the film does it right to leave questions though, thank god they didn't have the audacity to try and answer everything. I liked that the engineer was so adamant on killing everyone and that it is never blatantly stated why. What did the android say to him, was that what pissed him off? Was it the old mission parameters kicking him, what did they want to do to earth in the first place and why? Again, it's easy to assume some but it's never spelled out which is the way it should be.

Still, a massive disappointment for me personally. The film is beautifully shot but the script is downright terrible at times.

The score was also terrible and completely unfitting at many times, actually did a good job of *removing* tension rather than providing it.

Modifié par Leinadi, 09 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[Drone223]

Para-Medic wrote...

I agree with Daennikus. Possible that from engineer's point of view humans were taking steps toward becoming as powerful as their creators. So they had to be destroyed.

Still, there are lots of questions, yet they're left for a sequel.

The scene with Fifield on the ground outside the ship bay doors with his legs folded backwards over his shoulders creeped me out. Why was he bent like that? Also, why didn't they close the doors when they noticed him in that pose. What did they though? That  he was practicing yoga? lawl. Seriously, that and Shaw's abortion scene were probably the creepiest moments for me.

Also how Shaw can get pregnant when she is sterile? I suppose there goes in the "because it's alien DNA" type of answer :/

And poor xenomorph. Forever alone lol.

If its the queen (which it probably is) first thing on her mind is to lay 9000+ xenomorph eggs

Modifié par Drone223, 09 juin 2012 - 10:53 .

[Daennikus]

Para-Medic wrote...
Also how Shaw can get pregnant when she is sterile? 

She was indeed sterile, but she was inseminated with black goo + xeno DNA, both coming from Holloway. The black goo brought that stuff to life regardless of whether Shaw was fertile or not. If she had been a man who had intercourse with another man, the result would be the same.

David is not a doctor. He saw something living in her abdomen and just called it a pregnancy. It was a parasite implanted via intercourse with a contaminated subject. The black xenomorph goo didn't need human eggs or sperm to take form, it used whatever organic material it touched. 

Obadiah wrote...

Daennikus wrote...
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We assume that humans must die, but in this universe as most may not know, the species has millions spread across the galaxy in planetary colonies. Humans are already advanced and can probably master orbital countermeasures.
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I think the original alien bodies were 2000 years old. That means that at the time they were planning to launch we humans would still have been confined to one planet.

Thanks I forgot about that detail. This movie will never stop being interesting to me. It's time to go see it again!

There are people speculating about that time frame and the time when Jesus was around. There could be a link between the Engineers and the origins of Christianity...

Modifié par Daennikus, 09 juin 2012 - 12:12 .

[Leinadi]

There a piece of (thankfully) cut content where Jesus Christ was actually an engineer.

[Obadiah]

Daennikus wrote...
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David is not a doctor. He saw something living in her abdomen and just called it a pregnancy. It was a parasite implanted via intercourse with a contaminated subject. The black xenomorph goo didn't need human eggs or sperm to take form, it used whatever organic material it touched.
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Didn't it have an umbilical cord? Can a parasite just get that? Hmm...maybe.  My interpretation is that is somehow corrupted her sterile reproductive system. I gotta go see this movie again. It wouldn't be the same without the repreductive system but, dunno for sure.

Modifié par Obadiah, 09 juin 2012 - 06:10 .