The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick... But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Modifié par Pride Demon, 04 juin 2012 - 11:32 .
ZIPO396 wrote...
I submit to you two good reason why they'd still develop Synthetics. People are both really lazy and really cheap. As a whole that is. EG The original Geth were tools (lazy Quarians) they didn't mean to make them smart that was just an accident.
The Night Mammoth wrote...
It could be beneficial, or it could be horrendous. What I do know is that it overturns the very foundations of life in its entirety with unknown effects, so it's not something I'm willing to choose. A tad hypocritical given the banner, but that's just how it seems.
Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...
That's disputable, all the solutions were present because the Crucible had them in it, it's the Crucible that creates those situations, not the Catalyst, the Catalyst simply aknowledges they are there... And in fact it seems to be pretty confused as to what those situation actually mean...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Not disputing that.But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...
Well that's the entire point of being given synthesis as the choice, the Catalyst determines it because it wants to solve the problem once and for all.
Modifié par Pride Demon, 04 juin 2012 - 12:13 .
I would say one would assume this is the implication of Synthesis, based on the preceding information the Catalyst gives. I know that the ending were terribly communicated, but I'm certain this was a case of putting two and two together. All the options end the cycle, but the added consequences of each method was intended to be the distinguishing factor.Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick... But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Modifié par fr33stylez, 04 juin 2012 - 06:22 .
Baseless assumptions are baseless.jijeebo wrote...
I'd imagine it's now impossible to create a pure synthetic due to space magic.
Also it works because be quiet and stop asking questions.
But then he tells you that cyle will start agein if you pick destroy and guarantees that synthesis stops the cycle forever with synthesis.Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick... But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Modifié par dreman9999, 04 juin 2012 - 06:30 .
No, the crucible did not have other options at all. The catayst does. He's the only one that knows how it works, making it his ideas.Pride Demon wrote...
That's disputable, all the solutions were present because the Crucible had them in it, it's the Crucible that creates those situations, not the Catalyst, the Catalyst simply aknowledges they are there... And in fact it seems to be pretty confused as to what those situation actually mean...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Not disputing that.But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...
Well that's the entire point of being given synthesis as the choice, the Catalyst determines it because it wants to solve the problem once and for all.
The fact the Catalyst may seem to be pushing in a direction doesn't negate the fact the Crucible alredy had that capability and that its role is simply to stop the reapers...
Ergo, regardless of what the Catalyst may or may not think, the only point of synthesis we are aware of is stopping the cycle, not solving anything else... So the problem would lay not in synthesis as an ending, but in the catalyst (mis)understanding of it...
Shepard needed to stop the reapers, the Crucible stops the reapers and it can do so in three ways, everything else is really just "added fluff" (I know that's reductive, but it serve to get the point across)...
sydranark wrote...
because there are no more organics. no organics exist. everything is synthetic.
Modifié par Leafs43, 04 juin 2012 - 06:43 .
Leafs43 wrote...
Synthesis would have to rewrite the rules of chemistry and physics to work.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 juin 2012 - 07:17 .
I'm sure there's people out there who I currently merely dislike but would thoroughly hate if I had full view of their emotions ("I thought that there might be some sensible reason for your behaviour that I hadn't fathomed but no, you're just thoroughly obnoxious and moronic.")ardias89 wrote...
I believe that synthesiz allows emotional insight into beings that you touch and therefore a brigde of understanding could be build between to alien beings. Well i think thats what they meant.
Modifié par Reorte, 04 juin 2012 - 07:40 .
I agree wholeheartedly with this. Thinking back after I chose destroy because Synthesis seemed like a false Utopian dream, I thought "Hmm, what's to stop the hybrids from making more synthetics" and now we have creators being decimated by their created. Again. And instead of harvesting just DNA now the Reapers come back and harvest consensuses as well.fr33stylez wrote...
I would say one would assume this is the implication of Synthesis, based on the preceding information the Catalyst gives. I know that the ending were terribly communicated, but I'm certain this was a case of putting two and two together. All the options end the cycle, but the added consequences of each method was intended to be the distinguishing factor.Pride Demon wrote...
The Catalyst that flat out tells you the crucible will end the "cycle" (not "chaos, the "cycle" as in the reaper one) regardless of what you pick... But no where states the organic-synthetic conflict will cease to be...The Night Mammoth wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
Every other problem is beyond the scope of the Crucible...
But not the Catalyst, which is determining the choice.
Destroy
"The peace won't last. Soon, your children will create organics, and the chao will come back"
As you can see, there is a caveat in choosing the Destroy option. There would be no need to say this specifically for Destroy if this true for Synthesis. Although, you can argue that in Control, if you choose to fly the Reapers into the sun, this same problem with 'Chaos' can occur, which I can't defend.
Whatever, the endings are putrid and we're not even given enough information to have intelligent discussion. and in my opinon, the overall concepts with Synthesis and Control are silly to begin (see problem above in the Control scenario)
Except they're not, they're a hybrid. Part synthetic, part organic. The question is, why would that stop these hybrids from being killed by synthetics? What stops these hybrids from later creating another synthetic species like the Geth, which in turn will kill the hybrids?sydranark wrote...
because there are no more organics. no organics exist. everything is synthetic.
Ctserber wrote...
The entire idea behind the whole cycle was to stop organics from creating a purely synthetic race that would exterminate all organic life. Thus, the Reapers harvest advanced civilizations before they can create Skynet and doom all organic life. But for whatever reason the cycle no longer works, need a new solution, etc, etc.
So the Catalyst proposes Synthesis, which will apparently merge all organic and synthetic life. Well, we don't actually know that synthetics are now part organic, but we do know that all organics are now part synthetic. This, apparently, means that there will be everlasting peace and the half organic/half synthetics will not be destroyed by synthetics.
How does that work exactly? Why would the mere fact that organics are now part synthetic, stop them from still making synthetics? For labor, war, etc? Being partly synthetic changes absolutely nothing whatsoever. It's not a solution. Organics have no problem killing organics, synthetics have no problem killing synthetics, and neither have a problem killing each other. Why would organics being half and half stop them from creating pure synthetics down the line and having the Geth all over again?
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