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[Alchema]

Ctserber wrote...

The entire idea behind the whole cycle was to stop organics from creating a purely synthetic race that would exterminate all organic life. Thus, the Reapers harvest advanced civilizations before they can create Skynet and doom all organic life. But for whatever reason the cycle no longer works, need a new solution, etc, etc.

So the Catalyst proposes Synthesis, which will apparently merge all organic and synthetic life. Well, we don't actually know that synthetics are now part organic, but we do know that all organics are now part synthetic. This, apparently, means that there will be everlasting peace and the half organic/half synthetics will not be destroyed by synthetics.

 How does that work exactly? Why would the mere fact that organics are now part synthetic, stop them from still making synthetics? For labor, war, etc? Being partly synthetic changes absolutely nothing whatsoever. It's not a solution. Organics have no problem killing organics, synthetics have no problem killing synthetics, and neither have a problem killing each other. Why would organics being half and half stop them from creating pure synthetics down the line and having the Geth all over again?

It would practically make everyone equal. Like Quarians can't have power over the Geth considering, they're made up of the same substances then. Well, I suppose looks could be stereotyped but now organics can't take down synthetics without taking themselves out and vise versa. So, it's a win, win situation for the Reapers.

[Ctserber]

Alchema wrote...
It would practically make everyone equal. Like Quarians can't have power over the Geth considering, they're made up of the same substances then. Well, I suppose looks could be stereotyped but now organics can't take down synthetics without taking themselves out and vise versa. So, it's a win, win situation for the Reapers.

Dude, how does being equal stop war? Does everyone being American stop the Civil War? Did everyone being Russian stop the October Revolution? Just because all organics now have synthetic components doesn't mean anything at all. It doesn't mean they can't have "power over the Geth" anymore then all lifeforms having carbon in them means they can't have power over others.

 Organics now have Synthetic components, so what? They can still shoot and be shot. They can still try to fight other synthetic races the same way organic races also fight organic races.

Why does being partially synthetic mean that there's peace?

[Alchema]

Ctserber wrote...

Alchema wrote...
It would practically make everyone equal. Like Quarians can't have power over the Geth considering, they're made up of the same substances then. Well, I suppose looks could be stereotyped but now organics can't take down synthetics without taking themselves out and vise versa. So, it's a win, win situation for the Reapers.

Dude, how does being equal stop war? Does everyone being American stop the Civil War? Did everyone being Russian stop the October Revolution? Just because all organics now have synthetic components doesn't mean anything at all. It doesn't mean they can't have "power over the Geth" anymore then all lifeforms having carbon in them means they can't have power over others.

 Organics now have Synthetic components, so what? They can still shoot and be shot. They can still try to fight other synthetic races the same way organic races also fight organic races.

Why does being partially synthetic mean that there's peace?

Okay, I get what you mean. I was trying to say that when they're equal in terms of matter that makes them up, it'd be harder to sabotage something of the same substance without hurting yourself. Though, what I said before and stuff doesn't make much sense, now that I think about it.

[Taboo]

Making everyone equal...by force.

Yes...

Sounds a lot like...

Those books in High School they made you read.

AS A WARNING.

DEAR GOD PEOPLE. THE HORRORS OF SYNTHESIS KNOW NO BOUNDS.

[Iakus]

Alchema wrote...

Okay, I get what you mean. I was trying to say that when they're equal in terms of matter that makes them up, it'd be harder to sabotage something of the same substance without hurting yourself.

Like, say a genophage.

Or a Heretic virus

[jla0644]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Making everyone equal...by force.

Yes...

Sounds a lot like...

Those books in High School they made you read.

AS A WARNING.

DEAR GOD PEOPLE. THE HORRORS OF SYNTHESIS KNOW NO BOUNDS.

How does it make everyone equal? How does it make everyone the same? You're making this up.

If humans are different from each other now, why will adding synthetic material to everyone make them the same? You don't know what Synthesis does or how it works. What are you seeing in the game that makes you jump to such a conclusion?

There are plenty of reason to not like Synthesis without resorting to totalitarian comparisons (like how does it work, or how does it actually solve anything). If you think it's so horrible, then for god's sake don't choose it. But you don't have to insinuate that anyone who like it is a fascist. I seriously doubt the writers intended it to be genetic rape, fascism, Reaperification, or any other crazy assumption to which people have jumped.

[Taboo]

I'd uh use the example found on the last page. That's what I'm referring to. THEIR interpretations made Synthesis out to be that.

That's fascism.

Did no one read about these things?

Do you have ANY idea what Bioware is playing with here?

[leapingmonkeys]

None of the new "solutions" actually address the stated reason for the Reapers - nothing in any of the three solutions stops the creation of new, homicidal synthetics. Heck, for that matter, none of the "solutions" stop the eventual creation of "engineered organics" either. No explanation for why engineered synthetics would be worse than engineered organics anywhere in the game.

[jla0644]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd uh use the example found on the last page. That's what I'm referring to. THEIR interpretations made Synthesis out to be that.

That's fascism.

Did no one read about these things?

Do you have ANY idea what Bioware is playing with here?

Well I think that person is wrong, I don't think it solves the problem by eliminating diversity. And I don't think it eliminates diversity.

And I've seen people spouting off about fascism in other threads, so its not just in respone to this one person's interpretation. In fact, it's usually the people who have an abnormal hatred of Synthesis, something they can completely ignore, who are saying it makes everyone the same.

And to answer the question you keep screaming at people, yes, I think Bioware has a better idea of what they meant Synthesis to be than you do. One would hope. As I said, I don't think they intended it to be any of the nutso conclusions people have come up with. Seeing as how they meant for it to be the "best" ending, it stands to reason they didn't mean for Shepard to be Hitler in space. Unless of course you think they're fascists, too.

Modifié par jla0644, 05 juin 2012 - 02:37 .

[Taboo]

I am only concerend with the people who believe it removes diversity. Others see it as a tech upgrade, which is not the same.

There is no "best ending". All are equally valid. YOU decide which is best.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 05 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[Ctserber]

If Bioware has a better understanding of Synthesis then we do, then why oh why do they utterly refuse to help us understand it? Why don't they answer our questions? Why don't they just sit down with the fans and talk it out with us? This is ridiculous.

[Taboo]

Ctserber wrote...

If Bioware has a better understanding of Synthesis then we do, then why oh why do they utterly refuse to help us understand it? Why don't they answer our questions? Why don't they just sit down with the fans and talk it out with us? This is ridiculous.

They had no intention of explaining it to us.

I can imagine the staff meetings wondering how to fix it were incredibly tedious.