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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Its not true so it doesn't really matter.

[Bob3terd]

"huh i was wrong, awesome"

[ComfortablyNumb]

My first thought would be "why the hell not include it in the game to begin with?".

[ardias89]

Then i hope something awesome happens after my shep wakes up. Confirming IT is actually the same as a retcon because both things require something else to happen.

[Uncle Jo]

liggy002 wrote...


I'm just about 30 too.  Too be honest, I don't know why the hell somebody wouldn't want a completely new ending or series of endings.  That is what the IT offers.  Why is it so terrible, other than the incomplete game thing?

Really, I want to know.  What is so bad about that?  You would rather have them just attempt to explain the ending?  Screw this shooting the pipe to kill the Reapers s***.  It's a dumbing down to what should have been an epic finale to Mass Effect 3.

I think personally that people rightly don't like to be tricked.

-"The BW sold us a game without an ending" is not the real problem (EC is free even if it comes a little late). As for what happens after Shep wakes up, a good text of a friend prove to me that it can easily be solved without further gameplay. Naturally to my personal taste.

- The IT solves a lot of major plotholes (the biggest of them is the "Catalyst", who makes ME1 and ME2's stories completely pointless, let alone "the synthetics will always blahblahblah"...) and could be really a fantastic twist-ending. And I still prefer a mind battle to the common superboss fight.

But if it happens to be true (and I hope it'll be), what of the players who genuinely chose synthesis or control? They surrendered to the enemy, doomed the galaxy and died for nothing... It would be not easy to deal with it. And I could understand their rage.

It's sure that whatever comes with EC there'll be many players who'll be disappointed. On the other side Bioware really took time to make it, so let's give them the benefice of the doubt till then.

[antony1197]

Baa Baa wrote...

Isichar wrote...

My first reaction would be to laugh at the current pro enders

This

This This +_+

[Lord Goose]

I would lost all my respect to Bioware. All that tiny shards of it I have now.

[macrocarl]

The problem with the ending as it stands is there's no room for people to interpret the ending literally. That's one reason why people are so mad. I'm hoping the EC 'clarifies' the ending by opening up other interpretations so more people enjoy it.

[httinks2006]

I'm tired of people belly aching that they paid for ME3 and didn't get an ending in the game and out of the box. (( I myself also purchased the collectors edition)) If IT is true . IF ?

This is the time of the internet , where downloaded content is common . The only people who should feel they were shipped an incomplete game if IT is proven correct is people who Do Not have good internet connections or frankly no internet at all (I could see these consumers having issues with the ((actual ending )) not being shipped with the game.
This above may not even affect people new to ME3 and are fans of games like C.O.D and Battlefield where they're use to a 4 hour games then boom right into the multiplayer, 30 plus hours woot woot .
Honestly I can't think of any friends or people, I know, not having internet this day and age unless they can't afford it which is totally understandable.
Then it would be a nasty gamble on Biowares part that they took the chance that their biggest part of their fanbase had the ability to download the ((actual ending ))

Dlc is a huge business in the market place these days and if Bioware plans included the ending as a dlc , they screwed up it happens in business and with people who make the decisions to find a way to keep the revenue flowing .

Also from the gamble view point it would have been a ballsy move try an indoctrinate Shepard , just poorly executed apparently by the backlash . But then again that's what comes with taking chances and doing something different or outrageous.

We'll find out the truth once Bioware releases the EC , as it stands now the Mass Effect 3 Ending goes in my pile of truly horrible RPG endings which I play 95 percent of and I trade no rpgs in. I have them all in my collection .

[Vox Draco]

My first reaction? Disbelief, with a careful smile. I would check the internet and everything to see if IT is really confirmed. Then I would spoiler myself if IT really leads to satisfying (and hopefully positive) conclusions of this amazing series.

If so, I'd first assure the neighbors nothing's wrong (due to the large noise the rock would made falling off my heart), and then with a smile I'd download the EC and play again...and if I like what I got, I'd stay true to my personal promise and buy all DLC I miss for ME2 and ME3, and replay the entire series again...

Last but not least I'd totally avoid the BSN...it would be filled with people raging that Bioware sold their artistic integrity, ruined the game for them, that IT still sucks, all the while some pro-ITlers would gloat or calmly try to eplain in vain why the IT is awesome...so basically nothing will change much, only the roles would change (yet I guess the five people actually liking the ending as it is would get quite lonely after a while...)

One is allowed to dream, or not?

[Memnon]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

My first reaction would be the realization that Bioware terminated Mass Effect 3 without an ending.

Pretty much this ... though I think it's obvious already that this is the case. If you think about how your readiness affects which decision choices you have at the end, how in the world do those two things relate? My impression is that they had different plans on how to implement readiness in the beginning, but had to cut the ending short. They still designed the readiness mechanic so had to find a way to fit that dodecahedron peg into the square hole of a crappy ending

[DiebytheSword]

I would nod approvingly if it improved the ending, shake my head sadly if it did not.

To wit, the important thing is how the current endings' dissapointment was handled, not the vehcile they use to get there.

[sydranark]

Isichar wrote...

My first reaction would be to laugh at the current pro enders

[liggy002]

   I have an idea for what I think would be ideal when the EC is released. I've said it before and I will say it again: Let the players choose their own ending. Let them choose whether they get the IT or the ending as it stands with an explanation. It seems to me that neither the IT nor anti IT camps will be pissed off if that is the case.

  Hell, I wouldn't mind it as long as there isn't  a continuation beyond Mass Effect 3, otherwise you might have to make one canon.  Or, alternatively, you can account for both scenarios in a  Mass Effect 4.  Anyways, I think that the above option would be best.

Modifié par liggy002, 04 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[liggy002]

httinks2006 wrote...

I'm tired of people belly aching that they paid for ME3 and didn't get an ending in the game and out of the box. (( I myself also purchased the collectors edition)) If IT is true . IF ?

This is the time of the internet , where downloaded content is common . The only people who should feel they were shipped an incomplete game if IT is proven correct is people who Do Not have good internet connections or frankly no internet at all (I could see these consumers having issues with the ((actual ending )) not being shipped with the game.
This above may not even affect people new to ME3 and are fans of games like C.O.D and Battlefield where they're use to a 4 hour games then boom right into the multiplayer, 30 plus hours woot woot .
Honestly I can't think of any friends or people, I know, not having internet this day and age unless they can't afford it which is totally understandable.
Then it would be a nasty gamble on Biowares part that they took the chance that their biggest part of their fanbase had the ability to download the ((actual ending ))

Dlc is a huge business in the market place these days and if Bioware plans included the ending as a dlc , they screwed up it happens in business and with people who make the decisions to find a way to keep the revenue flowing .

Also from the gamble view point it would have been a ballsy move try an indoctrinate Shepard , just poorly executed apparently by the backlash . But then again that's what comes with taking chances and doing something different or outrageous.

We'll find out the truth once Bioware releases the EC , as it stands now the Mass Effect 3 Ending goes in my pile of truly horrible RPG endings which I play 95 percent of and I trade no rpgs in. I have them all in my collection .

If they really want the ending that badly, then buy a month of internet service or use a friend's connection to download the EC, problem solved.

Modifié par liggy002, 04 juin 2012 - 06:48 .

[Leafs43]

liggy002 wrote...

   I have an idea for what I think would be ideal when the EC is released. I've said it before and I will say it again: Let the players choose their own ending. Let them choose whether they get the IT or the ending as it stands with an explanation. It seems to me that neither the IT nor anti IT camps will be pissed off if that is the case.

  Hell, I wouldn't mind it as long as there isn't  a continuation beyond Mass Effect 3, otherwise you might have to make one canon.  Or, alternatively, you can account for both scenarios in a  Mass Effect 4.  Anyways, I think that the above option would be best.

Anti-IT'ers would be mad.


I mean IT get's new gameplay.  What would any of the other endings get as gameplay, especially with Shepard dead?


Anti-IT'ers would just rather screw over the franchise like its a matter of principle.

[Taboo]

Screw it over? It needs some bandages and closure, which is why we're getting the Extended Cut.

Introducing the IT would shake up the narrative so much it's not even funny. The narrative is already fractured, it doesn't need an addition to go alongside it's mess. What you essentially propose is an ending ON the ending. There would be no reason for any of the things occurring with the Star Child to occur. It would be innocuous to the narrative.

You don't just tack **** on and expect it to stick.

[SackofCat]

Liggy,
Bioware implementing more meaningful choices would be nice but it seems unrealistic to make 2 significantly different ECs when 1 could satisfy most of the people that can be satisfying. If we are imagining unrealistic scenarios, I would go 1 step further in the form of a true virtual reality experience where you really are Shepard and infinite choices have an infinite number of different consequences.

As for your reaction to a non-IT ending, are you sure that you might just be angry at first but eventually you'd get over it and buy Bioware products again? I've heard it is human nature to act irrationally

That is not meant to make fun of you. I'm only joking.

[HellbirdIV]

liggy002 wrote...

The IT is Accurate*

Fixed* that for you.

If it is though, I guess my reaction will be "Oh sure, NOW they pretend they meant to do that all along. ***holes."

[Leafs43]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Screw it over? It needs some bandages and closure, which is why we're getting the Extended Cut.

Introducing the IT would shake up the narrative so much it's not even funny. The narrative is already fractured, it doesn't need an addition to go alongside it's mess. What you essentially propose is an ending ON the ending. There would be no reason for any of the things occurring with the Star Child to occur. It would be innocuous to the narrative.

You don't just tack **** on and expect it to stick.

Let me spell this out for you:


IT gets gameplay.

Clarification and bandaids doesn't get gameplay.

People who don't want IT don't get gameplay.  

People who don't want IT then get mad because they don't get gameplay.  

People who don't want IT would much rather no one else get gameplay either.  

Franchise continues to burn to the ground because of spite.

Modifié par Leafs43, 04 juin 2012 - 07:30 .

[jla0644]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Screw it over? It needs some bandages and closure, which is why we're getting the Extended Cut.

Introducing the IT would shake up the narrative so much it's not even funny. The narrative is already fractured, it doesn't need an addition to go alongside it's mess. What you essentially propose is an ending ON the ending. There would be no reason for any of the things occurring with the Star Child to occur. It would be innocuous to the narrative.

You don't just tack **** on and expect it to stick.

Perhaps the biggest reason why I don't even like the idea of the IT, to say nothing of the fact that I find no compelling evidence for it.  What would be the point in any of it? Just for the sake of having a twist? It's just stupid. Even if it's true, and only one choice is correct, all you have to do is restart at "Citadel: The Return" and pick Destroy. Who is going to stick with Control or Synthesis once it is revealed they are losing choices and the only way to have Shepard survive and win is to pick Destroy? If IT is true, everything on the Citadel is just a waste of time and resources.

[SackofCat]

Hey Leafs,
The failure to implement does not preclude the addition of gameplay any more than implementing it would. As far as I know, nobody has argued that there shouldn't be more gameplay in the EC.

Do you really think that IT is the only way that gameplay can be added to EC? Perhaps you should spell it out a bit better. Your argument is illogical from where I stand (well, read)

Nearly every sentence in that post employs that fallacy.

[SackofCat]

You also seemingly ignored the post you were responding to. Taboo was talking about the story/narrative. I think he meant that the end we have is too close to being an ending to be followed by another climax (arguable) and resolution (ending). We learned about the reapers, had a final showdown with TIM, said goodbye to Anderson, saw the effects of our final choice (a little), saw what became of our squad and ship (a little), and the stargazer scene which shows that in the future humanity still exists. IT seems to propose throwing all that out only to do it again but for real this time. It would very likely be poor storytelling.

You responded by basically saying "but the gameplay...dummy", which is not any kind of (relevant) counterpoint.

[Festilence]

liggy002 wrote...

What would your reaction be?


   Forget about posting responses like "It's never gonna happen."  The point of this thread is not to argue the IT but to get an idea of what the community's reaction would be.  Yes, I could make another poll, but I want to see actual reactions in words.    Imagine you live in a world in which the IT is proven to be true in the Extended Cut,  What would your reaction be?

It would depend on whether they actually show you what happens after you make your choice.  In particular, for the Destroy Ending with high enough EMS to get the "Breath" scene, I'd want to actually be shown what happens after that.

If they did that without creating more plotholes, then I would be pleased.

[liggy002]

SackofCat wrote...

Liggy,
Bioware implementing more meaningful choices would be nice but it seems unrealistic to make 2 significantly different ECs when 1 could satisfy most of the people that can be satisfying. If we are imagining unrealistic scenarios, I would go 1 step further in the form of a true virtual reality experience where you really are Shepard and infinite choices have an infinite number of different consequences.

As for your reaction to a non-IT ending, are you sure that you might just be angry at first but eventually you'd get over it and buy Bioware products again? I've heard it is human nature to act irrationally

That is not meant to make fun of you. I'm only joking.

   I don't see how it's unrealistic to make 2 seperate EC versions.  Bioware most definitely has the resources and sure it would take extra development time, but so what.  It's a symbol of them going the extra mile in an attempt to please their fanbase.   Besides, they can reuse certain assets and scenes from both versions of the EC. 

      And, as far as people who only get closure and not the IT getting gameplay, they can give those people game play too.  For instance, in the Shepard survives (Red ending) you can still control Shepard in a final scene when he a conversation with his parents or  maybe Harbinger somehow survived the Red explosion and you still get to confront him.  Or, if Shepard died in Control or Synthesis, we get to control some of his squadmates in special post ending gameplay scenarios.

  Anyway, what would be the point of being jealous over gameplay anyway?  It's purely irrational since the pro ending people who just want closure and no IT aren't expecting gameplay anyway and are fine with that.  So why be jealous if IT people get it?  This childish "I want what he has Daddy" attitude needs to stop.  I am all for an everyone wins scenario and that is what I am trying to advocate here.  Choosing an ending is in the spirit of Mass Effect since we have each chosen segments of the story as we have progressed.  Each story is highly individualistic and is our own personal story.  So why can't we choose our own ending?  It makes perfect sense in my view.  Cost and time are factors here but are insignifcant in comparison to what a monumental achievement that would be.

  Good one sack of cat, lol, I'm purely irrational when it comes to eating junk food though.  I'll say that I'm not going to eat it and then sneak a trip to the ice cream shop.  As for purchase decisions, well , that is an entirely different matter.

Modifié par liggy002, 05 juin 2012 - 01:46 .