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[Joe Del Toro]

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

My first reaction would be the realization that Bioware terminated Mass Effect 3 without an ending.

My god, the man speaks the truth.

The truth is spoken by the man?

Speaks true, the man does!

[estebanus]

I'd probably congratulate all of us ITers who have discovered it, and thank them all for bringing me hope.

Also, each time I see someone complaining about how Bioware was just doing fan service, i'd be replying with "you mad, bro?" Plus, I'd also go out looking for payback after all those insults I've endured!

(That last part was sarcasm. I'd probably keep in touch with the friends I've made after ME3's release, but I wouldn't be making a fuss about it.)

[danby]

simfamSP wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I'd be rather annoyed they spent time creating a 'fake' ending when they could've just made the 'real' ending instead and shipped the game complete.

Followed by the disappointment of realising they ended this trilogy with a glorified 'and it was all a dream'.

Confusion would follow - confusion as to why no-one at Bioware mentioned, or even hinted, at the existance of a 'real' ending.

It's free, shut up and eat.

Not free enough!!! ........wait what?!

[Candidate 88766]

simfamSP wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I'd be rather annoyed they spent time creating a 'fake' ending when they could've just made the 'real' ending instead and shipped the game complete.

Followed by the disappointment of realising they ended this trilogy with a glorified 'and it was all a dream'.

Confusion would follow - confusion as to why no-one at Bioware mentioned, or even hinted, at the existance of a 'real' ending.

It's free, shut up and eat.

A lot of things are free. Doesn't mean I have to like them all.

[Candidate 88766]

simfamSP wrote...

A man speaks the truth, if he must.

I really hope this is a reference to what I think it is 

[danby]

wantedman dan wrote...

danby wrote...

I think they would be the king trolls of the internet!! I would honor them by buying all dlc forever.

You would... honor them by buying all dlc forever for f*cking you over for months on end?

If that was thier original plan then ya.  I mean if IT was actually thier original plan and not just them bending to the will of the fans.   Its n7 level trolling.   Would be quite ballsy .

[Mcfly616]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

The ending would still suck because IT has Shepard waking up and hitting the "LULZ I WIN" button.

So if true I would just give or throw my copy of ME3 away.

Man....you know a lot.....fill us in.....

I was always under the assumption that the IT implies Shepard wakes up, and then Bioware can take it anywhere from there.....a boss fight.....a war of words with Harbinger.....showing your war assets in action.....or hitting a magic FU button that sends the Reapers into a blackhole.....or some twist that nobody has thought of....

But how do you know what happens if its just a theory and you're not Bioware? Oh....you don't.....

[Candidate 88766]

simfamSP wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

A man speaks the truth, if he must.

I really hope this is a reference to what I think it is 

A man is correct

It is known 

[wantedman dan]

danby wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

danby wrote...

I think they would be the king trolls of the internet!! I would honor them by buying all dlc forever.

You would... honor them by buying all dlc forever for f*cking you over for months on end?

If that was thier original plan then ya.  I mean if IT was actually thier original plan and not just them bending to the will of the fans.   Its n7 level trolling.   Would be quite ballsy .

If this truly was their plan, the level of incompetence in its implementation is truly, truly astounding.

[shepskisaac]

"So... they shipped the game without the ending? o.0 And they're going with "it was just a dream" trope? This better be executed perfectly"

[Candidate 88766]

simfamSP wrote...

A price doesn't necessarily mean money. In this case, the EC is about as free as things get.

I suppose, but I'd still be annoyed that they didn't give any kind of indication that the game wasn't finished when I bought it. Even if it is free, it would still be polite to inform us that although the ending wasn't in the game it is coming, rather than staying silent on it. Which is on the main reasons I believe the endings in the game were the real endings.

[SubAstris]

I would be disappointed as BW would have let down their fans by not communicating their true intention to so many fans in the actual game that shipped. Instead, people have to scrounge around for tiny details to "prove" IT. IMO, IT is not very consistent with the game taken in its entirety, especially as there are many things which clearly foreshadowed the ending we actually got. Not to mention the game shipped without an ending, and even when the ending did come it was many months later. A dream is seldom not a poor cop-out for bad writing

[danby]

SubAstris wrote...

I would be disappointed as BW would have let down their fans by not communicating their true intention to so many fans in the actual game that shipped. Instead, people have to scrounge around for tiny details to "prove" IT. IMO, IT is not very consistent with the game taken in its entirety, especially as there are many things which clearly foreshadowed the ending we actually got. Not to mention the game shipped without an ending, and even when the ending did come it was many months later. A dream is seldom not a poor cop-out for bad writing

It would be an extremely cleaver feat of story telling.   That being said I don't believe IT to be true at all.   I think they just ran out of time and had to kinda throw this ending together.  They needed at least anouther 6-12 months of developement to make it as in depth as me2.    You can kind of see it.  Once you get to earth it just kinda seems thrown together at that point.   The part where you talk to your squadmates is very good, but the rest seems kinda rushed.  

IT would have been a great way to buy some developement time while still meeting thier dead line and getting some buzz going about the game.    All they had to say at that point after a month or so of buzz would be 'its not over yet' and everyone would have calmed  down.

[element eater]

i would be pleasantly surprised

[BatmanTurian]

it wouldn't be " it's all a dream ", people. The proper trope is Battle In The Center Of The Mind.

It's a war of the mind, a boss fight in Shepard's head. It All  Was A Dream means nothing mattered and it was all B.S. But it wasn't B.S. because it would be a battle for Shepard's mind and soul.

At least get your facts straight if you're going to insult the interpretation.

These are all the video game examples (spoilers and I don't care):


  Raz in Psychonauts fights (and helps defeat) the Freudian Excuses lurking in people's brains— such as a painter's anger (which manifests as a bull), a former insane asylum warden's split personality (which looks like Napoleon and against whom he is constantly trapped in a war game), and The Big Bad's and his own father issues, which manifest as an enormous butcher and a taunting zombie ragdoll, respectively.
   
In Drakengard 2, Nowe fights one of the boss battles in Manah's mind after she has her Villain Protagonist BSOD.
   
If you decide to attack the Mindflayer Elder Brain in Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark, it will suddenly trap you inside an illusion where you are waking up from a dream. If you accept it, you get a non-standard game over. If you reject it, you will be attacked by monsters within the dream and upon defeating them you will return to reality and the Elder Brain will beg for mercy, allowing you to make a deal with it or deal the killing blow.
   
In Splatterhouse 3, Rick fights the final boss, the Terror Mask, in an Amazing Technicolor Battlefield that represents his psyche.
   
According to Word Of God, Cloud's one-on-one final battle with Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII is this.
   
In Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, when Riku fights off Ansem.
        And there's another one in Kingdom Hearts II, Sora vs. Roxas.
        Special mention to that the Awakening seems like a semi-physical place, since Donald and Goofy mention Sora disappearing from the scene.
       
Happens yet again in Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep with Ven vs. Vanitas and Terra vs Master Xehanort, with Aqua pitching in during the True Final Boss fight. The secret ending suggests that Terra and MX spent years vying for control of the new Xehanort's heart.
   
The purpose of Alice's nightmarish return trip through Wonderland is this.
   
The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction has a boss battle in Bruce Banner's subconscious, where the Hulk takes on Banner's underlying hostility and malevolence, officially dubbed "Devil Hulk".
   
Sort of happens in Earthbound, as Ness has to fight his own Nightmare at the end of his dream world known as Magicant. (Averted in Mother as that Magicant is Maria's dream instead of Ninten's. A fight with Lucas's Nightmare was removed from Mother 3, which has no Magicant.)
   
Happens near the end of Planescape: Torment when you have to enter a mindtrap and meet three of your most important previous "incarnations" inside. If you manage to take them over or merge with them, you gain their memories and a lot of XP. If you fail the merger you have to destroy them, which gets you no memories or XP. The success of the merger is determined by stats and conversation options, one can only be taken over if your willpower is above a certain level, while another is much easier to convince to merge if you can gain his trust by convincing him that you and him are the same person.
  
  Late in Jeanne d'Arc, Jeanne, Gilles, and Richard are whisked into an abstract representation of Roger's heart, bound by chains by the Reaper Ira. The three of them must battle Ira's cronies to destroy his power over Roger; eventually, a manifestation of Liane's spirit joins the three heroes to assist them, particularly because her death is what caused Roger to submit to the Reaper.
 
   In Final Fantasy VI, sleeping at Doma Castle with Cyan along will cause the party to be taken into Cyan's mind, where they can battle a demon called Wrexsoul that is feeding off his survivor's guilt for when his kingdom was wiped out.
        Also, the final battle of Final Fantasy VII. Shame it's the easiest final boss in history.
   
In Shin Megami Tensei I, you find a young girl (actually the reincarnation of the Heroine) whose mind has been infested by a demon that is devouring her from the inside-out. You have to dive into her mind in order to kill the demon and save her.
   
Tales Of Symphonia Dawn Of The New World: If you go for the good ending, this is the final battle. Given how different Emil's and Ratatosk's personalities were, though, the player was probably expecting something like this to happen (although it's a lot less confrontational than you might expect — whichever way the fight turns out, the two accept each other).
   
The battle against The Dark Prince in Prince of Persia The Two Thrones turns out this way. After some platforming, you end up with him and yo, the solution being to stop attacking and walk away.
        Although annoyingly, even if you attack he can't kill you. All that happens it that you need to walk through an army of Dark Prince clones.
   
Happens no less than three times in Jade Empire:
        Two demons vie for control of a little girl's body. You have to pick which one you'll support, and then it's a kung fu battle inside her mind.
        Near the end of the game, you can attempt to wrest control of The Dragon away from the Big Bad. You control the ghost of the Dragon's past self and fight its current incarnation.
        When you confront the Big Bad himself, he attempts to overwhelm you with despair. Naturally, this means you have to fight some freaky glowing swordsmen named "Despair" in an Amazing Technicolor Battlefield. You also get to rely on the Power of Friendship for encouragement, which takes the form of your allies running up to the "Despairs" and, um, exploding.
  
  The Kalecgos encounter in World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade. The players are supposed to free the good dragon from a dreadlord that is mind controlling him.
        An odd example where you're the invader is in the fight with the Cosmic Horror of dubious quality, Yogg-Saron. During the fight with him, portals into his mind open up, where you then have to desperse the memory of an important event in Warcraft lore so you can get at his brain. Of course, he knows you're in there, so he then attempts to whittle down your sanity so that he can Mind Control you, so you have to soon get out so that you can take a rest in one of the Sanity Pools.
   
Every boss fight in Persona 4 is this until close to the end of the game. Although it's more like "Battle In The Center Of The Collective Unconcious".
   
Not quite the same, but not quite anything else either: In Maken X, Kei's consciousness (using Kei's form) spends most of the game standing on a glassy-looking disc in her brain yelling/screeching at her body, now possessed by the Maken.
   
Near the end of Sam And Max Freelance Police "Culture Shock", Sam falls under the hypnotic sway of disgruntled former child star Brady Culture. After snapping himself out of it by a blow to the head from the security system at Bosco's Inconvenience Store, Sam finds himself in his own mind. There, he has to dispose of a host of Brady Culture clones that represent Culture's hypnotic influence.
   
The finale of Arcueid's and Archtype Earth's plots in the "Current Code" version of Melty Blood is this between them.
   
Battle Moon Wars has this in Tohno Shiki's mind while he lies unconscious, fighting internally against Nanaya Shiki. Unfortunately for him, he also visualizes Akiha and Satsuki in this mindscape and thus is unwilling to fight at first. Insert friendly telepath encouragement as Sion uses Etherlite to join in and help him out.
   
The final battle in Dead Space 2, where Isaac fights Nicole and the Marker
   
A rather weird one in No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle where Henry, while unconscious, fights against Mimmy, a manifestation of Travis' various fetishes (being a Moe Robot Girl), which is apparently brought on by Travis "watching" anime in the other room.
   
Anyone in the Penumbra series who gets infected by the Tuurngait gets one of these, although you only play through Philip's. He and Red both win their battles, retaining a measure of self-control (and, in Philip's case, splitting off his own infestation from the Hive Mind to make it an easier-to-manage Enemy Within.) Everyone else who appears in the series lost and got assimilated.
   
The sixth arc of Umineko No Naku Koro Ni involves a duel between Shannon and Kanon that is a thinly-veiled version of this, with Beatrice sitting on the sidelines. The seventh arc reveals that this has been the state of affairs within Yasu's head for a good year or two prior to 1986. Once Beatrice is forced off the sidelines by Battler's return, the entire duel is scuttled, however.
   
Happens twice Batman: Arkham Asylum when Batman gets drugged by The Scarecrow, resulting in massive Interface Screw and a Fission Mailed before entering a twisted world based on his psyche. However Batman manages to fight it off due to Heroic Willpower, to the horror of Scarecrow. It also happens in the sequel with the Mad Hatter.
   
In The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim, Sheogorath takes you to his personal vacation spot: the mind of Pelagius the Mad and will only agree to leave if you humor him and combat Pelagius' various psychoses with the help of his artifact, the Wabbajack.
   
The climax of Metro 2033 The protagonist is mentally fighting the Dark Ones, who are trying to stop him from annihilating their home - all while the protagonist on the highest point of Moscow's Ostankino tower as it's crumbling. Failing the fight results in the protagonist falling to his doom from the mental blow.
   
The Very Definitely Final Dungeon of Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer has you and Gann battling the Spirit-Eater itself for control of your soul.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[TheGreatDayne]

I would be very disappointed... I bought collector's edition for this?
I mean, come on! The ending was a dream?! Sure, the ending that is already in the game makes no sense, but an explanation to them would be nice.

Then, I will express my grief by playing Heavy Rain, and killing all the characters, except for the killer... Oh well, at least that ending is more satisfying than the whole dream thing...

[Kenjison7]

Dear god, the things I would say to pro-enders and my doubtful friends......

[Leafs43]

I'd be happy.



Plus I'd feel somewhat validated because we smashed the logic over the pro enders for months and they still refused to believe it.

[DanNormandy]

simfamSP wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

My first reaction would be the realization that Bioware terminated Mass Effect 3 without an ending.

My god, the man speaks the truth.

The truth is spoken by the man?

Speaks true, the man does!

A man speaks the truth, if he must.

Give a name:

-Casey Hudson 

[Taboo]

Leafs43 wrote...

I'd be happy.



Plus I'd feel somewhat validated because we smashed the logic over the pro enders for months and they still refused to believe it.

Not sure if serious...

It would be neat though, for them to go with a fan INTERPRETATION.

[Leafs43]

TheGreatDayne wrote...

I would be very disappointed... I bought collector's edition for this?
I mean, come on! The ending was a dream?! Sure, the ending that is already in the game makes no sense, but an explanation to them would be nice.

Then, I will express my grief by playing Heavy Rain, and killing all the characters, except for the killer... Oh well, at least that ending is more satisfying than the whole dream thing...

You obviously don't understand the findamental concept that IT is not an ending.  It's siomply a plot point no different then Thessia or Cerberus' headquarters.