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[BatmanTurian]

RamilVenoard wrote...

To be frank, I would be rather dissapointed. Not necessarily more so then I already am, but nonetheless frustrated.  That has all to do with MY shep though.  Paragon (bit renegade, but only the necessary options, like punching the Admiral in the stomach, and beating the crap out of that stupid reporter. Twice.), with a hint of a death wish--thus his fatal flaw, and the reason he is, for me, a TRAGIC hero.

So for me, even if shep woke up, he still has to die to preserve that which he has struggled and bled to achieve: galactic peace, warm fuzzies, etc.  And yes, I'd love to actually SEE that, not to mention his beloved Miranda.  But IT would make me rather upset because for me that means he dies twice.. which is tacky.  Once in his dream, and once in RL.

It would, however, bring about an interesting point, which it seems many of those who are pro-shep-living-in-the-end are overlooking: Shepard is a man (or woman). Not a god, and NOT invincible.  Certain odds cannot be overcome, even by the most charismatic of leaders and most powerful of soldiers.  Except by the ultimate sacrafice.  His entire team pulled through the suicide mission in ME2. Shouldn't happen again.  I think he should have the choice: Anderson's life? Or his own. What I though was going to happen originally.

Anywho, I went off topic slightly, but my answer to OP stands thus: frustration. IT is not a solution to the ending problem.

Yes, an ENDING would have been a nice solution to the ending problem. But... here we are...

[BatmanTurian]

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

My reaction would be as follows:

"Man, it sucks that Bioware had to resort to a fanfic copout to finish their game, the Singleplayer is completely unfulfilling now."

Fan fiction is a story generated inside another person's story universe created by a fan with new original characters interacting with canon characters or canon characters being fit into a new story. This is fan fiction

Fan fiction is not interpreting media, analyzing literary devices, or looking at an artisitic project with an eye for symbolism and metaphor. Please go take an Art, Lit, Writing, or Film class and stop using a false term just to describe something you dislike. It makes you look very ignorant.

Fan fictions are works of fiction, based another work of fiction, made by fans of that fiction.

The IT is a work of fiction derived from details of Mass Effect fiction, by fans of that fiction. Until it is proven to be true, IT is a fan fiction.

Please try not to twist the meanings of words in your argument, just because someone uses the proper term for a theory that you desperately want to be true. It makes you look very ignorant.

No, sorry. A literary interpretation is the proper term since we're dealing with interpreting the events in a story. Try again.

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

[Hackulator]

Hint: Fan Fiction is a form of literary interpretation. Now kiss and make up.

[Taboo]

You are interpreting the events in the story, correct, but you are not taking into consideration what art IS.

What you see and what others see will always be different. My interpretation is no more valid than yours.

The Indoctrination Interpretation is just that, an interpretation.

[BatmanTurian]

Hackulator wrote...

Hint: Fan Fiction is a form of literary interpretation. Now kiss and make up.

No, it is making up a story set in someone else's published universe. Why I have to keep stating this is a mystery to me.

[BatmanTurian]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You are interpreting the events in the story, correct, but you are not taking into consideration what art IS.

What you see and what others see will always be different. My interpretation is no more valid than yours.

The Indoctrination Interpretation is just that, an interpretation.

Agreed, I have no quarrel with you.

[OblivionDawn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

You can continue with your sad attempts to insult my intelligence, it's still plainly obvious that you hardly understand the theory (and fan fiction) that you're subscribing to.

And I never said that IT didn't consist of interpretation. I simply said that it is a fan fiction, because it is.

[UrgentArchengel]

I'd eat popcorn and watch the BSN kill itself with needless flame war.

[BatmanTurian]

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

You can continue with your sad attempts to insult my intelligence, it's still plainly obvious that you hardly understand the theory (and fan fiction) that you're subscribing to.

And I never said that IT didn't consist of interpretation. I simply said that it is a fan fiction, because it is.

Then continue on in your ignorance. So sad to see a mind wasted.

[Icinix]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I'd eat popcorn and watch the BSN kill itself with needless flame war.

So much the same as its doing now?

Good times.

[OblivionDawn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

You can continue with your sad attempts to insult my intelligence, it's still plainly obvious that you hardly understand the theory (and fan fiction) that you're subscribing to.

And I never said that IT didn't consist of interpretation. I simply said that it is a fan fiction, because it is.

Then continue on in your ignorance. So sad to see a mind wasted.

I'm sorry that the term "fan fiction" somehow degrades the credibility of IT in your mind, and hurts your feelings enough to resort to insulting people's intelligence, but to each his own.

[Tom Lehrer]

I've said it before and will say it again. The game was rushed from start to end and while certain parts where great they fail to mask the poor writing of the game as a whole. Mac Walters has not the skill nor the ingenuity to even touch on something approaching something as ingenious as IT.

[Icinix]

@Tom Lehrer


Everytime I see your fracking sig, I think my browser is freaking out and is not loading something fast enough.

[BatmanTurian]

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

You can continue with your sad attempts to insult my intelligence, it's still plainly obvious that you hardly understand the theory (and fan fiction) that you're subscribing to.

And I never said that IT didn't consist of interpretation. I simply said that it is a fan fiction, because it is.

Then continue on in your ignorance. So sad to see a mind wasted.

I'm sorry that the term "fan fiction" somehow degrades the credibility of IT in your mind, and hurts your feelings enough to resort to insulting people's intelligence, but to each his own.

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

[NightHawkIL]

I think it would be the greatest recovery of a franchise in gaming history. I'm not sure I believe the devs will go that route, but if they don't they are fools.

[Zardoc]

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

If the IT was only interpretation, you would be correct. But it's not, and you aren't.

The IT concludes that there is more to the story of Mass Effect, based on the interpretations made. Without that presumption, the IT would be nothing but a literary analysis.

But, the existence of the IT demads that there is to the story than was originally released.

Aka, fan fiction. Multiple fan fictions, if you would like to include everyone's opinion on what happens after Shepard "wakes up."

Try again.

Everything you stated still falls within the bounds of literary interpretation. Please go register at your nearest college tomorrow and take English 101. Then you might know what you're talking about.

You can continue with your sad attempts to insult my intelligence, it's still plainly obvious that you hardly understand the theory (and fan fiction) that you're subscribing to.

And I never said that IT didn't consist of interpretation. I simply said that it is a fan fiction, because it is.

Then continue on in your ignorance. So sad to see a mind wasted.

I'm sorry that the term "fan fiction" somehow degrades the credibility of IT in your mind, and hurts your feelings enough to resort to insulting people's intelligence, but to each his own.

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

No, that's interpretation of art. The IT is merely grasping at straws.

[OblivionDawn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

Considering your use of strawmen, your debate teachers and professors were clearly wrong, assuming you had any.

It is fan fiction to fabricate new story content (saying that the Crucible scene was all in Shepard's mind, saying that Shepard is still lying on the ground in front of the Citadel beam, etc.) for Mass Effect, based on interpretation of the original story. This is what IT does. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that.

I also don't know how that translates into "IT isn't interpretation derp."

Maybe you should go back over my posts a few times.

[BatmanTurian]

Zardoc wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

No, that's interpretation of art. The IT is merely grasping at straws.

They are the same thing, interpretation of media. Finding symbolism and metaphor in art and media is part of appreciating art and media.

[BatmanTurian]

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

Considering your use of strawmen, your debate teachers and professors were clearly wrong, assuming you had any.

It is fan fiction to fabricate new story content (saying that the Crucible scene was all in Shepard's mind, saying that Shepard is still lying on the ground in front of the Citadel beam, etc.) for Mass Effect, based on interpretation of the original story. This is what IT does. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that.

I also don't know how that translates into "IT isn't interpretation derp."

Maybe you should go back over my posts a few times.

Nah, I've given up on you. I hope you didn't flunk too hard.

[Slayer299]

Leafs43 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

I would be very disappointed... I bought collector's edition for this?
I mean, come on! The ending was a dream?! Sure, the ending that is already in the game makes no sense, but an explanation to them would be nice.

Then, I will express my grief by playing Heavy Rain, and killing all the characters, except for the killer... Oh well, at least that ending is more satisfying than the whole dream thing...

You obviously don't understand the findamental concept that IT is not an ending.  It's siomply a plot point no different then Thessia or Cerberus' headquarters.

No, it means that the game shipped withoutt an ending, that people paid either $60 or $80 USD for a game that was incomplete. That is what it means BW plays the "IT was correct all the time" card. You can't call it a plot point when it wasn't part of what shipped out and it has to have the "real ending" added.

EC costs nothing.


Therefore it doesn't matter because the ending included in EC is part of your purchase price.  



Think about this for a second:  ME2's ending was dlc that you had to purchase.

problem?

How is that? ME2 had an ending, destory the CB or not. Simple and clear, it didn't need to add anything to it with DLC. You could skip Arrival or Lair or Ovelord and ME2 was still complete by itself, all those did was add to the cake mix, not replace it.

You can't include the EC in the purchase price, it wasn't some extra DLC that happened to add a little to the game, its added because BW fu****** up and needed to quell the storm. If BW had said to everyone, "hey, the final ending isn't in the main game because we ran out of time while we were working on it, but we'll be putting it out for you to download," than it would be part of the purchase price because it was supposed to be, that was not the case in regards to the EC. 

[OblivionDawn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

Considering your use of strawmen, your debate teachers and professors were clearly wrong, assuming you had any.

It is fan fiction to fabricate new story content (saying that the Crucible scene was all in Shepard's mind, saying that Shepard is still lying on the ground in front of the Citadel beam, etc.) for Mass Effect, based on interpretation of the original story. This is what IT does. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that.

I also don't know how that translates into "IT isn't interpretation derp."

Maybe you should go back over my posts a few times.

Nah, I've given up on you. I hope you didn't flunk too hard.

You've given up, I understand. Too many big words for you, or maybe too much text. As I said, I don't know how to make it any plainer, so I won't bother.

[BatmanTurian]

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm so sorry you never paid attention in class so you don't know how to interpret art. Is it fan fiction to say the Mona Lisa is smiling sadly? Is it fan fiction to see the symbolism in a Christmas Carol as the four spirits being a part of Scrooge's subconcious telling him something while he's dreaming?  Because if it is, then I guess my teachers and professors were wrong.

Considering your use of strawmen, your debate teachers and professors were clearly wrong, assuming you had any.

It is fan fiction to fabricate new story content (saying that the Crucible scene was all in Shepard's mind, saying that Shepard is still lying on the ground in front of the Citadel beam, etc.) for Mass Effect, based on interpretation of the original story. This is what IT does. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that.

I also don't know how that translates into "IT isn't interpretation derp."

Maybe you should go back over my posts a few times.

Nah, I've given up on you. I hope you didn't flunk too hard.

You've given up, I understand. Too many big words for you, or maybe too much text. As I said, I don't know how to make it any plainer, so I won't bother.

No, you've made it plain you don't know what you're talking about. You've contradicted yourself twice. At this point, I'm just being nice by disengaging. There's no point debating someone about something they clearly have no knowledge of.

[OblivionDawn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Considering your use of strawmen, your debate teachers and professors were clearly wrong, assuming you had any.

It is fan fiction to fabricate new story content (saying that the Crucible scene was all in Shepard's mind, saying that Shepard is still lying on the ground in front of the Citadel beam, etc.) for Mass Effect, based on interpretation of the original story. This is what IT does. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that.

I also don't know how that translates into "IT isn't interpretation derp."

Maybe you should go back over my posts a few times.

Nah, I've given up on you. I hope you didn't flunk too hard.

You've given up, I understand. Too many big words for you, or maybe too much text. As I said, I don't know how to make it any plainer, so I won't bother.

No, you've made it plain you don't know what you're talking about. You've contradicted yourself twice. At this point, I'm just being nice by disengaging. There's no point debating someone about something they clearly have no knowledge of.

You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, but all you've done to argue your point is throw around petty insults and give me examples of unrelated cases of interpretation that aren't fanfics.

You've yet to provide any relevant counterpoints. In fact, all you've had to say so far is that "IT is a literary interpretation," when that isn't even the argument. IT contains literary interpretation, that was never in question. But it is also a fan fiction.

Also, feel free to point out where I've contradicted myself, and I will gladly recitfy/elaborate, and still have a stronger argument than yours.

[Necrotron]

I would be happy, as it would save the universe for me.

[Pheonix57]

As long as she got to regain consciousness next to Garrus, then run off to kick Harbinger's ass, I'd be happy.