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[Thor187]

Because if the starchild lives in (or is) the Citadel then it renders both previous games pointless.

Why didn't it just open the "relay to dark space" whenever it wanted.

And that's just ONE of the MANY school bus sized plot holes.

[alec1898]

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

 The only real issue I have is the star child coming out of no where. However, this is such a little problem and in no way is the game automatically bad to me because of it. People are calling "ME3 biggest let down of the year" All because of the ending? Which wasn't even that bad to me. Yeah the story of the other party members ended abruptly but they are not important, only Shepard is important.

We only need to know about how Shepard defeated the Reapers not how he is going to pay his mortgage after the mission or who he is going to nail in his beach home. The reapers are dead, the story is over. Shepard did his job. Now we have a great sci fi universe that will no doubt have more games, books and even movies based off it. I for one welcome new stories based in ME universe.

All credibility I was giving you for this post (that I albeit disagreed with) was just lost at this sentence.

[The Night Mammoth]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Because they are childish and think they know more about a franchise than the people who make it.

Something that's evidently not that difficult to achieve.

My apoligies for our disention. 

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey. And the destination isn't even as bad as people make of it anyway.

When you're specifically traveling somewhere, the destination does really matter. 

I'll enjoy and remember the flight and three hour bus ride it'll take me to reach the island of Zante in a few weeks. 

I'll probably enjoy and remember the amazing week of relaxation with a group of good friends more. Unless it's all sh*t, like Mass Effect's ending was. 

Mass Effect isn't the kind of story the hindsight brigade like to tell people it is. Mass Effect had a good journey, but it was not about the journey. Mass Effect 3 in its entirety was no the ending etc.

Surely, if people see it as bad, it is bad to them, and not 'as bad as people are making it out to be'. Are you implying that they're lying? 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 juin 2012 - 01:06 .

[Taboo]

I'm fairly certain that had the Odyssey ended with Odysseus stroking and dying on the beach of Ithaca everyone still would still love the story.

Don't worry guys, his journey, was, EPIC.

Understand how the human brain works Nayr and then educate yourself in the field of narrative psychology.

[Nightwriter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I can see how that would have come out wrong.

I meant that as a question to the OP. 

Mass Effect without its characters, even the sh*tty ones I hate like Udina and Jack, would be, I dunno, like a BMT without meat, cheese, barbeque sauce, lettuce, and not toasted. 

Empty. 

Oh. Right. Yes, BMT. Jolly good.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm fairly certain that had the Odyssey ended with Odysseus stroking and dying on the beach of Ithaca everyone still would still love the story.

Don't worry guys, his journey, was, EPIC.

Understand how the human brain works Nayr and then educate yourself in the field of narrative psychology.

Bioware is like the sirens on the beach rocks, calling us in with a grand narritive. Only to be scewed when we get there. 

[Taboo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm fairly certain that had the Odyssey ended with Odysseus stroking and dying on the beach of Ithaca everyone still would still love the story.

Don't worry guys, his journey, was, EPIC.

Understand how the human brain works Nayr and then educate yourself in the field of narrative psychology.

Bioware is like the sirens on the beach rocks, calling us in with a grand narritive. Only to be scewed when we get there. 

Don't worry though. The voyage getting there WAS EPIC.

[Zardoc]

Cause it sucks.

[Lookout1390]

Remember when your decisions mattered?

Me neither

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm fairly certain that had the Odyssey ended with Odysseus stroking and dying on the beach of Ithaca everyone still would still love the story.

Don't worry guys, his journey, was, EPIC.

Understand how the human brain works Nayr and then educate yourself in the field of narrative psychology.

Bioware is like the sirens on the beach rocks, calling us in with a grand narritive. Only to be scewed when we get there. 

Don't worry though. The voyage getting there WAS EPIC.

I know right? Great journey, too bad we all died during the climax. 

[Greed1914]

EsterCloat wrote...

Dive into any one of the hundreds, if not thousands, of threads made since launch and you'll find your answer.

My exact response.  Seriously, why ask?  It's not hard to find the problems.  I mean, it is if you're not inclined to see the problems, but if someone is honestly wondering, it's not hard to find answers without making one of these threads. 

[Lookout1390]

Hell yeah, I love my some epic journeying

[daecath]

The premise of "the created will always rebel against their creators" is not supported at all anywhere in the entire trilogy. There's not one single instance where a synthetic willfully rebels against organics without provocation from the organics first. Yet Shepard just blindly accepts this.

Then there are the two main instances of space magic, where a technology or ability is shown without and precedent in the story. The Illusive Man is able to physically control both Shepard and Anderson. Yet the reapers weren't even able to do this with fully indoctrinated and heavily implanted agents like Saren and TIM. And the synthesis ending is so far removed from anything else - synthetic DNA, energy waves that can make fine physical manipulations to matter (DNA), alter people's physiological functions, and potentially even generate complex matter from energy.

The story breaks when they change the premise at the very end to something that makes no sense, and when they start breaking the rules of the universe they created. That's why it sucks.

[darknessmyown]

I can't believe someone is still asking that question, I find myself a little more surprised then I think I should be.

Lana from Archer really gives the best response to it, "No words, my words have failed me."

Nearly anyone here can write entire essays or books on why the ending of Mass Effect 3 is horrible in so many ways and for so many reasons, so I find little reason to start putting them down once again in another thread. Take a look, on these forums, many other forums, Youtube, and more places then I can think of really. You will find no shortage of people ready, willing, and able to tell you why.

I am done here.

[Iakus]

The Grey Nayr wrote...


Because they are childish and think they know more about a franchise than the people who make it.

Never a billy goat around when you need one...

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey. And the destination isn't even as bad as people make of it anyway.

No.

Getting there is half the fun.

The Hobbit is also called "There and Back Again"  Back Again, see

Modifié par iakus, 04 juin 2012 - 02:56 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

Yeah the story of the other party members ended abruptly but they are not important, only Shepard is important.

I could not disagree with you more.

[Mcfly616]

So basically you THINK the ending was good.....or in other words: its your "opinion". And if you haven't noticed.....you're in the minority

[chemiclord]

daecath wrote...

The premise of "the created will always rebel against their creators" is not supported at all anywhere in the entire trilogy. There's not one single instance where a synthetic willfully rebels against organics without provocation from the organics first. Yet Shepard just blindly accepts this.

Ya wanna know what's funny?

It very easily could have been... and I spent much of ME2 and ME3 wondering when they were going to get to this...

The seeds for AI distrust were there right from the beginning.  The Council, and their affiliated races, have apparently had this "No AI" policy for at LEAST 300 years, but most likely before that, when they tossed the quarians completely off the citadel.  The impression I got wasn't that the Council rejected AIs because of the quarians and the geth, but that they rejected the quarians and the geth because of the AI issue.

The council had a "No AIs sign" hanging off their door for centuries... and if there's one thing that I know about typical behavior, it's that politicial bodies generally are not proactive.  That policy was put into place because at some point, some time in the past, someone put together an AI that went absolutely ape**** and murderized a lot of people.  Most likely more than one if the Citadel Council decided to put their foot down.

Why didn't we learn about that?  There's no Codex entry as far as I can tell, there's no extrapolation in game.  The Citadel apparently, without any provocation, decided that Artificial Intelliegence = Bad... which really makes very little sense to me.

There was so much potential there, and that it was never fleshed out kinda makes it hard for players to accept that organic vs. synthetics was the proper theme right from the start. 

[RECON64BIT7]

I think the problem is that many of you don't consider Shepard transcendent and beyond anyone in universe. At first hand I thought the ending was mediocre until after the credits where they showed the stargazing scene. The planet they were on probably Earth but not revealed, the scene's place in the ME timeline was uncertain. However, Shepard became a legend and his story is being told to the younger generations, that says to me all we did throughout the series wasn't for nothing. The ME series ended with Shepard as the ultimate hero and that's the important thing.

[Icinix]

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

I think the problem is that many of you don't consider Shepard transcendent and beyond anyone in universe. At first hand I thought the ending was mediocre until after the credits where they showed the stargazing scene. The planet they were on probably Earth but not revealed, the scene's place in the ME timeline was uncertain. However, Shepard became a legend and his story is being told to the younger generations, that says to me all we did throughout the series wasn't for nothing. The ME series ended with Shepard as the ultimate hero and that's the important thing.

this is where my biggest issue with the ending is.

That everything we did led to the same point that everyone else did.


I don't care so much about the stupid play out of the ending. Or the stupid choices. Or their stupid implementation.

But the complete disregard for the whole of Earth ignoring everything we had done prior killed it for me.

Where were my Elcor canons? Where were my Krogan Armies? Where were my Geth Squadrons straffing the enemy? Where were my Quarian engineers? Where was my Biotic Artillery?

That is why the ending failed for me.

When I got the same ending as the other 3 million players in spite of 3 million different playthrough's - that killed it.

[Greed1914]

Lookout1390 wrote...



Hell yeah, I love my some epic journeying

Makes me think of Futurama.

"I was God once."

"Yes, I saw.  It was going well until everyone died." 

[Elite Midget]

This has already been explained to death on why the ending aws horrible and ruined the ME franchise for many.

[RECON64BIT7]

Icinix wrote...

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

I think the problem is that many of you don't consider Shepard transcendent and beyond anyone in universe. At first hand I thought the ending was mediocre until after the credits where they showed the stargazing scene. The planet they were on probably Earth but not revealed, the scene's place in the ME timeline was uncertain. However, Shepard became a legend and his story is being told to the younger generations, that says to me all we did throughout the series wasn't for nothing. The ME series ended with Shepard as the ultimate hero and that's the important thing.

this is where my biggest issue with the ending is.

That everything we did led to the same point that everyone else did.


I don't care so much about the stupid play out of the ending. Or the stupid choices. Or their stupid implementation.

But the complete disregard for the whole of Earth ignoring everything we had done prior killed it for me.

Where were my Elcor canons? Where were my Krogan Armies? Where were my Geth Squadrons straffing the enemy? Where were my Quarian engineers? Where was my Biotic Artillery?

That is why the ending failed for me.

When I got the same ending as the other 3 million players in spite of 3 million different playthrough's - that killed it.

I agree, there should of been more shown of your ultimate army composition but, you can't honestly expect your ending to be different from millions of other players who can make the same decisions as you. The ME series never did have drastically different endings, and I'm pretty sure ME3 had the most endings of the series.

[Icinix]

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

I think the problem is that many of you don't consider Shepard transcendent and beyond anyone in universe. At first hand I thought the ending was mediocre until after the credits where they showed the stargazing scene. The planet they were on probably Earth but not revealed, the scene's place in the ME timeline was uncertain. However, Shepard became a legend and his story is being told to the younger generations, that says to me all we did throughout the series wasn't for nothing. The ME series ended with Shepard as the ultimate hero and that's the important thing.

this is where my biggest issue with the ending is.

That everything we did led to the same point that everyone else did.


I don't care so much about the stupid play out of the ending. Or the stupid choices. Or their stupid implementation.

But the complete disregard for the whole of Earth ignoring everything we had done prior killed it for me.

Where were my Elcor canons? Where were my Krogan Armies? Where were my Geth Squadrons straffing the enemy? Where were my Quarian engineers? Where was my Biotic Artillery?

That is why the ending failed for me.

When I got the same ending as the other 3 million players in spite of 3 million different playthrough's - that killed it.

I agree, there should of been more shown of your ultimate army composition but, you can't honestly expect your ending to be different from millions of other players who can make the same decisions as you. The ME series never did have drastically different endings, and I'm pretty sure ME3 had the most endings of the series.

Me1 ended very differently based on your choices in the final moments. Me2 ended very different based on your choices in the last half an hour (it even had a Shepard died ending complete with dialogue and cutscenes and everything).

ME3 has the least variation in the end game of all the Mass Effect games. Considering how much variation there was in major choices through ME3 as well - the way the ending was handled in regard to choices was a failure. I can handle a dumb ending, I can't handle a disregard for what the previous two games and the rest of ME3 did so well.

[RECON64BIT7]

Icinix wrote...

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

RECON64BIT7 wrote...

I think the problem is that many of you don't consider Shepard transcendent and beyond anyone in universe. At first hand I thought the ending was mediocre until after the credits where they showed the stargazing scene. The planet they were on probably Earth but not revealed, the scene's place in the ME timeline was uncertain. However, Shepard became a legend and his story is being told to the younger generations, that says to me all we did throughout the series wasn't for nothing. The ME series ended with Shepard as the ultimate hero and that's the important thing.

this is where my biggest issue with the ending is.

That everything we did led to the same point that everyone else did.


I don't care so much about the stupid play out of the ending. Or the stupid choices. Or their stupid implementation.

But the complete disregard for the whole of Earth ignoring everything we had done prior killed it for me.

Where were my Elcor canons? Where were my Krogan Armies? Where were my Geth Squadrons straffing the enemy? Where were my Quarian engineers? Where was my Biotic Artillery?

That is why the ending failed for me.

When I got the same ending as the other 3 million players in spite of 3 million different playthrough's - that killed it.

I agree, there should of been more shown of your ultimate army composition but, you can't honestly expect your ending to be different from millions of other players who can make the same decisions as you. The ME series never did have drastically different endings, and I'm pretty sure ME3 had the most endings of the series.

Me1 ended very differently based on your choices in the final moments. Me2 ended very different based on your choices in the last half an hour (it even had a Shepard died ending complete with dialogue and cutscenes and everything).

ME3 has the least variation in the end game of all the Mass Effect games. Considering how much variation there was in major choices through ME3 as well - the way the ending was handled in regard to choices was a failure. I can handle a dumb ending, I can't handle a disregard for what the previous two games and the rest of ME3 did so well.

ME3 did have more endings but they were not much different from each other and the major reason for this is because it's so short. Hopefully whatever planned DLC will rectify this.