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[thegamefreek78648]

Sinapus wrote...

PossibleCabbage wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

What's the old saying about if you give away free ice cream, there will always be people who complain about a flavor being unavailable or no sprinkles?

In grad school, a friend of mine was assigned to teach a discussion section in a freshting philosophy class.  Knowing that this would involve a section on Aristotle's Niccomachean Ethics in the spring, he planned ahead.  He bought the cheapest vanilla ice cream (in the big bucket) he could get and stashed it in the back of the department freezer for a while so it got rock hard, and he bought the most brittle plastic spoons he could fine.  So on one fateful warm spring day, the discussion on Niccomachean Ethics was due so he scheduled a quiz on that day in advance, but when he showed up he said:

"You know, it's a nice day outside I don't want to grade this quiz anyway so I'll just give you all 10/10s, and Aristotle is boring as ****, let's just go outside, hang out under a tree, and enjoy the weather"

So they went out and sat under a tree, and alerted the students to the fact that he brought ice cream, and handed out cups and spoons, allowing students to scoop out their own ice cream.

Invariably a whole host of predictable complaints arose along the lines of "the ice cream is cheap" , "the ice cream is boring", the "ice cream is hard", the "my spoon keeps breaking", etc.

So he turned to his class and said "Aristotle's argument is that the greatest good in life is to pursue true happiness, but look at all of you: you're outside instead of in class, it's a beautiful day, you don't have to take that quiz that was scheduled, and you're eating free ice cream... and yet you're complaining.  None of you will ever be truly happy."

And then he left.

...actually, that looks like some of the cheap shots philosophy majors utilize to railroad things so they get a particular result. Make it decent (though not expensive) ice cream, not deliberately frozen rock-hard and effective (if inexpensive) spoons instead of breakable ones.

You'll still get complaints.... and then the point would be valid and said philosophy major can actually feel clever instead of pretending a rigged result makes them such.

*edit: taking out "you" to remove some misunderstandings*

I believe you have missed the point of the story.

[Shadow Shep]

acfiz99 wrote...


There are people accusing me of not being grateful for free dlc. First of all, I would be grateful if I could, you know, actually play it.


-You can play it.  The maps can be played right away, the other items are given to you exactly the same way as every other thing in multiplayer. 

Secondly, I am not fortunate/unfortunate enough to be so ignorant as to not be able to see through EA's motive behind releasing the dlc this way. It's diabolical, really. 1) They get player good will from being able to say they released free dlc. 2) They get to keep players interested that are starting to leave me3 multiplayer. 3) They get to make probably even more money than if it wasn't free from people buying packs. Whether it is people who have a lot of money so that they don't care about how much they spend to unlock stuff or people that get tired of farming and cave in to buying a pack because they get impatient or even taking advantage of younger players who nag their parents for a points card and their parents buy them it without knowing the nature of the unlock system.

-It seems to me that the basis of this thread is that you primarily have an issue with EA's marketing tactics.  This I can sympathize with but that is a whole other topic, and I'm just going to keep it simple. The fact that there is a motive to make money should not be all th



Take into account casual players. Are they just screwed as far as unlocks go? How is someone that is only able to play 5-10 hours a week suppose to unlock enough to enjoy the game? They will be playing bronze/silver because of low quality weapons so they will get less credits. Are they expected to play for several months and still not be able to unlock what they want?

A company trying to make money is not a bad thing. Doing it in a dishonest way is. 

-Again,this really comes down to a personal issues with the marketing tactics.

I'm sure the big corporate EA appreciates all of you defenders whenever they get attacked by a little guy. Good job. I would call you a name, but that's against policy even though many of you have done so to me. So, I'll just close by saying I'd rather spend my time playing a video game called Lemmings, but soon i will have to count sheep to help me fall asleep.

-To be fair, you did start this thread and then not respond for quite some time.  It appears to me to be a fine example of Poe's law, in which the defining characteristic is that it's nearly impossible to tell if you were being serious or not.  I can't see how you wouldn't have expected this to be met with heated responses.

Modifié par DJCubed, 04 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[MajesticKill]

If it is anything like last time... they will release a special pack with only dlc content that you can buy with ingame currency. So yet again... you are dead wrong. Your issue is that you want all the goodies immediately and with easy access so that multiplayer will become even more pointless. There is a good chance that next operation will be focused on rebellion and will include rebellion packs in the store giving you your desired easy access. Stop bad mouthing a company that cares about their players and wants them to have fun

[Tigrath]

Yeah yeah what everybody else said, DLC clearly described, no grounds for lawsuit, etc.

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

If I had a dollar for every gamer who threatened a Dev House with a lawsuit, I'd probably be able to buy a 1988 Toyota Camry.

I drive one of those.

[rmccowen]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

Way to ****** them off and prevent them from releasing free DLC for everyone. One thing in common about such frivolous lawsuits: Considerable payout for the party involved, more strict regulations and consequences that harm everyone else (Woman sued McDonalds because she spilled hot coffee on herself, McDonald's no longer has hot coffee. Loose example).

FYI, that woman suffered 3rd degree burns from said coffee and required skin grafts. That's more than just "hot."

FYI that woman suffed the waxed paper cup between her thighs to hold it, ended up crushing the cup and the logic behind the the law suit came down to her saying "They didnt tell me it was hot!"

I didn't bite on this the first time, but since the thread's pretty much pointless anyway...

The woman set the cup down on the seat, and the cup tore when she took the lid off to add creamer and sugar. She was 80 years old, and spent over a week in the hospital. She initially sued for $20,000 to cover her medical bills. The corporation refused multiple times to settle, so it went to court--where she was awarded a ridiculous amount by a jury as punitive damages.

The central point of the lawsuit was that McDonald's served coffee at like 190 degrees, which is so hot you can't drink it. During the trial, it came out that McD's knew their practices were injuring about 70 people a year (both customers and employees), and they considered that an acceptably low number.

There is such a thing as a frivolous lawsuit, but the McD's example is one where the system actually worked: the company's practices were dangerous, and they had no reason to change them. After the lawsuit they changed the way they serve coffee--the temperature is now 15 degrees lower, IIRC, and they serve it in better-quality cups.

[greghorvath]

epic facepalm

[vware]

acfiz99 wrote...

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product"

They advertised a free dlc pack that included 2 maps, 6 characters, 3 weapons, new gear items, 1 game mode. What we got was 2 maps and 1 game mode with the chance to unlock 6 new characters, 3 new weapons, and gear items with money or in-game currency. Free characters/weapons/gear are the bait, spectre packs are the switch.

Modifié par vware, 04 juin 2012 - 01:20 .

[Severyx]

Ugh. These uninformed rage threads need to stop.

[Kem1995]

Thing is, we all know that the characters are not going to be given to us but that we would have to get them through the store.

[ToaOrka]

...You're ****ting me, right?

[John123453242]

LOL

Go pay a lawyer to take this to court. I enjoy laughing at 10 year olds who think they know laws.

You got a free DLC. You can get everything from it for free. Use your brain...

[Mr. Heavy]

You want to sue someone over a free DLC not being everything your little heart hoped it would be? That is seriously one of the most misguided, deranged things I have ever heard.

Also, Hitler. Just to get that out of the way.

[Severyx]

Also: Good Lord, this thread is another example of the General Forums leaking again. Someone fix that leak!

[I.leary]

acfiz99 wrote...

So, I wanted to make a point with this thread. A good way to make a point is to exaggerate or be extreme. 

 

Yep, that's a good way. A good way of discrediting not only yourself but everyone who would also share your unsatisfaction.

A bunch of people protesting against unpopular government measures:  Great, democracy at its best.
The said bunch of people invade a store and break everything down to "make a statement": Criminals, bust them!

A bunch of students protesting against some unfair college policy: Fair point, I might agree with them.
The said bunch of students burn down a car to "make a statement":  Spoiled high-class vandals!

A bunch of gamers asking developers to change the ending of their favourite game: Wow! they really love the franchise!
The said bunch of gamers filing FTC complaints and sending death threats to the developers: Entitled whiners! Ignore them!

So.... congratulations. I bet everyone who has issues with the multiplayer is now very happy in being associated with your "statement".

Oh, and a word of advice: if giving money to big corporations bothers you so much, maybe you should quit AAA gaming. I mean, FOR GOOD. Find another hobby. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this industry, like so many others, is owned and run by big corporations. 

[xcrunr1647]

 No.

A bait-and-switch is what my A&P professor pulled on me, telling me we were havin an exam that was 35 multiple choice questions, 10 true/false and 5 short answer that would focus primarily on the muscular and skeletal systems, then making it 35 multiple choice and 5 essays...and threw in the brain and ear as testable material, as well.

[TeamLexana]

acfiz99 wrote...

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product"

They advertised a free dlc pack that included 2 maps, 6 characters, 3 weapons, new gear items, 1 game mode. What we got was 2 maps and 1 game mode with the chance to unlock 6 new characters, 3 new weapons, and gear items with money or in-game currency. Free characters/weapons/gear are the bait, spectre packs are the switch.

*crickets*

I don't get it... isn't that exactly what we got? Lots of new stuff for free? I'd think where'd they'd get into trouble is if they charged for the dlc itself and then you still had to unlock all the characters through the packs.

Or....

Now that peeps have gotten to see how cool the new weapons/characters/gear is and get impatient and desperate to get them and they spend real cash to try and get said items just in time for the elitests to get their way and have them nerfed. That'd I'd say was fraud. Fortunately, I'm not in that boat but that's a HUGE deterant to wanting to ever spend money on the packs.

[neilthecellist]

LOL OP, go ahead and defend and use "I love it that..." comments. You're still a troll.

[Drawrof]

OP. you seem up to speed on legal jargon. What is the difference between libel and slander? I know they're both forms of defamation.

[robarcool]

Why resurrect the troll thread?

[O______O]

Try it. I dare you.

This is going to be one of those stories where in a few weeks we hear that Bioware was getting sued, then a few weeks later we hear that they counter-sued and won millions.

[ZombieGambit]

What's the new gamemode, the dumb item collection objective?

[Miniditka77]

acfiz99 wrote...

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product"

They advertised a free dlc pack that included 2 maps, 6 characters, 3 weapons, new gear items, 1 game mode. What we got was 2 maps and 1 game mode with the chance to unlock 6 new characters, 3 new weapons, and gear items with money or in-game currency. Free characters/weapons/gear are the bait, spectre packs are the switch.

To have a lawsuit, you need something called "damages."  You didn't spend any money on your FREE DLC, so you didn't lose anything.  Therefore, you have no damages.