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[Billycraig]

Modifié par Billycraig, 11 décembre 2009 - 10:25 .

[Billycraig]

apologies



I'm not trying to be hateful...just not sure that any of these type mods should be on BioWare's webpage

[Sarodin]

Billycraig wrote...

apologies

I'm not trying to be hateful...just not sure that any of these type mods should be on BioWare's webpage

And why the hell not? <_<

[maikanix]

Billycraig wrote...

apologies

I'm not trying to be hateful...just not sure that any of these type mods should be on BioWare's webpage

Because it's not appropriate to shove that way of life on others in a public setting!

oh wait, I forgot
I'm not a moron...

gay mods are fine.

[PavelNovotny]

Why shouldn't gay mods be on Bioware's web page? Dragon Age is a game for MATURE audiences, after all.

[BryanDerksen]

I'm guessing it's a snowball effect, since so few other games have any gay-themed content available for them at all.



Mind you, I'm not aware of any real statistics to indicate what proportion we've got and what "proportionate" actually means anyway. For a lot of game genres the concept of "gay-themed mods" doesn't even really make logical sense.

[Sarodin]

I don't see what big thing is. People are acting like homosexual behaviour is new, when in fact it is not. Their are records dating back to even spartans who had male lovers ffs!

[georage]

The problem is not in the question, but in the questioner.

[TheGreenLion]

Homosexual behavior is not new, it takes a lot of time to get used to though (look at how many guys in the 40-50s had long hair - not many if any. Compared to today, I see a lot of dudes with long hair even in corporate businesses.) Personally I dislike homosexual men in particular (lesbians are okay! ) but I can tolerate their presence just fine, they better not even think of hitting on me though.


EDIT: Nothing wrong with gay bars, gives em all a place to hang and do their thing like anyone else and mebe someday they'll just be bars when people don't mind so much what yer orientation is. 

I also have NO problem with gay mods being posted on these forums. If they're a good modder they ought to be judged/treated as a good modder that happens to be gay *shrug*.

Modifié par TheGreenLion, 12 décembre 2009 - 12:25 .

[Gamer-erBIO]

Have something against gay bars?

[BryanDerksen]

I can understand that some people might be made a little uncomfortable by the subject for non-gay-bashing reasons, so I'm not too concerned about the question being raised. As long as there's no problem with the answer to the question being "we've got no problem with gay-themed mods being posted here".

[Happysin]

Gamer-erBIO wrote...

Have something against gay bars?

I've got something to put in you!

Personally I think it's neat that not only are people at least attempting to look at sexuality in this game as a real gameplay element, but they're by and large avoiding the "hurr hurr" aspect of sexuality.  Part of that means people will explore various sexualities through their own storytelling in-game.

Hell, you already have Zevran the bondage-queen in there, might as well.  Well, that and a Village People icon in the forum. ->

[FollowTheGourd]

TheGreenLion wrote...

Homosexual behavior is not new, it takes a lot of time to get used to though (look at how many guys in the 40-50s had long hair - not many if any. Compared to today, I see a lot of dudes with long hair even in corporate businesses.)

Hm, hair length still determines sexual preferance in this day and age? Well, there go my radar patents.
OK, maybe it depends on the culture a bit, but at least I'd say it doesn't mean much if anything in North America now (if it ever did).

Personally I dislike homosexual men in particular (lesbians are okay! ) but I can tolerate their presence just fine, they better not even think of hitting on me though.

That's the thing though. When games have "lesbian encounters" they're *probably* really just geared towards heterosexual males (I'd assume they'd be the primary demographic anyway... I mean... I wouldn't complain or anything ). The real test is whether they'd cater towards both (all) preferences, and while I wouldn't take Zevran up on his offer, it's interesting to see a game company take the lead where other more "progressive" franchises have dragged their feet. (They know who they are.)

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 12 décembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[maikanix]

Personally I dislike homosexual men in particular (lesbians are okay! )

sad...sad...sad
seriously, "mature audiences only". Shouldn't they be denied aid, forum access, or something unless they can prove that a mature individual purchased the game for them?

[Cadaveth]

TheGreenLion wrote...

but I can tolerate their presence just fine, they better not even think of hitting on me though.

What's the big deal? I'd personally be flattered if woman would try to hit on me to be honest. You can always say no, don't you? 

[Wiolono]

Honestly... it's a game mod. You have to choose to download them. So if it's in your game content you wanted it there. With the exception of Zevran, who is just a bit of an opportunist who takes what he can get.

[Happysin]

Cadaveth wrote...

TheGreenLion wrote...

but I can tolerate their presence just fine, they better not even think of hitting on me though.

What's the big deal? I'd personally be flattered if woman would try to hit on me to be honest. You can always say no, don't you? 

Ask a woman about that.  When the attention is unwanted, even complimentary attention won't strike the right tone.  That reason alone is why I won't ever go near a gay club anymore.  I went to one to support a friend who was performing, and it turned what should have been a fun night into an annoying night.

But that is neither here nor there.  As far as the community here goes, I'm just glad that it's not like it is elsewhere.  What is it, the Star Wars (IIRC) universe where canon was "there are no gay people"?  While that may be a perfectly reasonable fiction world, in reality, that's only really an effective way to alienate part of your client base.

[maikanix]

Happysin wrote...

 Ask a woman about that.  When the attention is unwanted, even complimentary attention won't strike the right tone.  That reason alone is why I won't ever go near a gay club anymore.  I went to one to support a friend who was performing, and it turned what should have been a fun night into an annoying night.

But that is neither here nor there.  As far as the community here goes, I'm just glad that it's not like it is elsewhere.  What is it, the Star Wars (IIRC) universe where canon was "there are no gay people"?  While that may be a perfectly reasonable fiction world, in reality, that's only really an effective way to alienate part of your client base.

lol...she, and I'm assuming it's a she, said "i'd be flattered if a woman hit on me" which in context assumes that she is a woman. Which means she doesn't have to ask a woman..which means that your statement is not only invalid, it's comical. :\\ and if i'm somehow wrong, then it's just comical.

In my mind, no 'good' woman would think that complimentary attention strikes a bad tone unless the person is extra-sleazy. It seems to be a part of our culture in some ways, but who can say. I find it hilarious that you stereotype women, as well as homosexuals. haha.

it turned into an annoying night because you are a little bit homophobic. It shouldn't bother you. It's the same as if a woman who you found unattractive, or weren't interested it, hit on you. It's not your fault, a lot of people seem to still be this way, and would probably agree with you. Just letting you know though.

homosexuality hasn't been dealt with in most videogames. But I don't know what you mean by Star Wars, so maybe it's an appropriate comment.

[Ganondorf2002]

Mods of any type are always welcome in my eyes. I may or may not agree with them but non the less it is a point of view from the artist/creator. I hate to stump creativity even if I don't understand all of it.

[FollowTheGourd]

maikanix wrote...
it turned into an annoying night because you are a little bit homophobic. It shouldn't bother you. It's the same as if a woman who you found unattractive, or weren't interested it, hit on you. It's not your fault, a lot of people seem to still be this way,

I wouldn't go so far as to call that homophobic... well, at what point do your private thoughts matter if you don't feel the need to materialize them. People have all sorts of stray thoughts - it's why we're not robots. Sure, it could feel more awkward than turning down a woman (if you're a straight male), but as you pointed out, it might be just as annoying if you were straight and people you didn't want to hook up with kept hitting on you. Either way, really - just as a male you *may* be more used to being the one who annoys women instead... (don't want to assume anything, but y'know).

Maybe it'd also be more awkard because you're not used to it and don't know how to react without feeling awkward in that venue where it's probably reasonable to expect you're gay, but I'd say it's just as valid if it's even less of a turn on, therefore annoying.

Anyway, to tie this back into Dragon Age (how it relates to the toolset anymore, I don't know)... Zevran says hi.

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:00 .

[falranth]

 Hm. Well, as someone behind one of these so-called gay mods, I think I can speak for everyone...

We make gay mods for players interested in gaying up their gaymes. If you are not interesting in gaying up your game, please disregard our mods. It's not that hard--there are only two of them that I know of (not counting gender switchers), and only one that you can even download at this point (and it's a work in progress; the other one is the one I'm behind and we're just barely recruiting). Really. 

If it offends you that other people get to use what little there is of these mods... well, nobody cares if it does. It's completely within the rules--and if it were somehow banned, BioWare would be mighty hypocritical, since the game already has gay content, including sex scenes (although rather tasteful ones). There's not much we modders can do to top that.

Dragon Age has a relatively gay-friendly community, which as far as I can see, BioWare is more than willing to accommodate. If you prefer your games and their developers to exclude homosexual content... go to just about any other game out there.

[TheGreenLion]

FollowTheGourd wrote...

TheGreenLion wrote...

Homosexual behavior is not new, it takes a lot of time to get used to though (look at how many guys in the 40-50s had long hair - not many if any. Compared to today, I see a lot of dudes with long hair even in corporate businesses.)

Hm, hair length still determines sexual preferance in this day and age? Well, there go my radar patents.
OK, maybe it depends on the culture a bit, but at least I'd say it doesn't mean much if anything in North America now (if it ever did).

I suppose the wording sucked, the toleration of guys with long hair has come a long way, even so that some if not most businesses will allow a guy with long hair to work for em. Used to be and still in some places is considered an un-professional look and they won't hire you for that reason.

maikanix wrote...

Personally I dislike homosexual men in particular (lesbians are okay! )

sad...sad...sad
seriously, "mature audiences only". Shouldn't they be denied aid, forum access, or something unless they can prove that a mature individual purchased the game for them?

What? I like the thought of two women licking and rubbing each other and making passionate love....I take it you...don't.

Cadaveth wrote...

TheGreenLion wrote...

but I can tolerate their presence just fine, they better not even think of hitting on me though.

What's the big deal? I'd personally be flattered if woman would try to hit on me to be honest. You can always say no, don't you? 

Yes, you learn that word and the power it contains very early, that little two-letter word "No". But honestly, from my perspective that's how I feel. I suppose I'll just keep my opinions to myself from now on about gay men as there seems to be little tolerance for such terrible and hateful opinions as "not wanting them to hit on me cause I'm not gay." or "I can tolerate them" but not just freely accept them like any normal good hearted person would. Forgive me for not being an all-loving and accepting person, because I know you are.

I still stand by my thoughts on lesbians though....that will never change.

[falranth]

TheGreenLion wrote...

Yes, you learn that word and the power it contains very early, that little two-letter word "No". But honestly, from my perspective that's how I feel. I suppose I'll just keep my opinions to myself from now on about gay men as there seems to be little tolerance for such terrible and hateful opinions as "not wanting them to hit on me cause I'm not gay." or "I can tolerate them" but not just freely accept them like any normal good hearted person would. Forgive me for not being an all-loving and accepting person, because I know you are.

I still stand by my thoughts on lesbians though....that will never change.

So... you expect others to accept your taste for lesbians out of your own sexual fantasies but you can't accept gays on the basis of their sexual preferences? Furthermore, you openly objectify lesbians who wouldn't want you, but cannot tolerate gay men expressing any interest towards you? And you ask others to accept you for not being an accepting person?
People aren't expecting you to be all-loving or all-accepting. It's just that you're a hypocrite.

Modifié par falranth, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:28 .

[Cadaveth]

maikanix wrote...


lol...she, and I'm assuming it's a she, said "i'd be flattered if a woman hit on me" which in context assumes that she is a woman. Which means she doesn't have to ask a woman..which means that your statement is not only invalid, it's comical. :\\\\ and if i'm somehow wrong, then it's just comical.

I'm not a woman

[DLAN_Immortality]

I don't see what's the problem of making other people happy :-)

I always play as woman, I always play a human, and I'm always a paladin, I'm also straight. I am white. Probably the dullest player out there. :-D



I think it's absolutely awesome that main chars can be males, elves, mages, gay and you can make your face blue if you want to. :-D



And given the fact it's almost 2010 and the middle ages are way, way back, I think it's terribly awesome we got to a certain level of social maturity and tolerance.



...hopefully. ;-)