wizardryforever wrote...
NoUserNameHere wrote...
wizardryforever wrote...
BrotherWarth wrote...
Bioware was already patronizing in their announcement of the EC. They tried to make the whole thing out to be our fault for not understanding their "art."
The ending wasn't over anyone's head. It was just lousy writing filled with plotholes and inconsistencies. Trying to fill in those plot holes and explain away those inconsistencies without altering the ending is nonsensical.
I don't know what boards you've been reading, but around here there are all kinds of misconceptions about the details of the endings. One of the most hilariously wrong says that the galaxy is destroyed because the mass relays broke apart, despite all the clear evidence to the contrary already in the game. Sure, some of it is Bioware not explaining it well enough (synthesis), but there are also things that people just don't use their heads about, like the whole "starving turians and quarians" thing.
So it's partly the fans' fault, and partly Bioware's fault.
Starving Turians seems like a legitimate issue to me, especially if you killed the Quarians earlier.
That's why I included the "and quarians" bit. The quarians have liveships, the main source of all of their food for the last 300 years, in the Sol system with the rest of the migrant fleet. They should be able to supply the remaining turian and quarian forces with food just fine. Though if the quarians are dead, then yes, that sucks.
As for the actual topic, I think that it's inevitable that some people take the EC as being patronizing. These people are not going to be satisfied no matter what Bioware does though. Even if Bioware gave in to all of their ridiculously unrealistic demands, they'd say that it should have been that way all along. It may end up being patronizing for some, but for others it may end up clearing up any confusion they may have had about certain things.
I fully expect it to be patronizing, and I fully expect it to solve nothing. And no, most of our demands aren't ridiculous.
There are three things they need to fix bare minimum to satisfy me.
First, the premise of the ending. No where in any of the three games is the catalyst's statement of "the created will always rebel against their creators" supported. In fact, it is outright contradicted in every encounter you have with synthetics. There is not one instance of any synthetic making the willful, unprovoked decision to rebel against organics in any of the three games. Not. One. And the catalyst doesn't even bother to offer any evidence of his own. Yet Shepard accepts this statement, made by the self confessed leader of the enemy, with virtually no protest.
"Hey commander, yeah I know I just killed billions of people, but it's all for your own good. You see, [insert ridiculous unsupported statement here], and the only way to solve that is for you to kill yourself. Which will do, something. Whatever. Just go die already and I promise that everything will be just swell." "Duuuhhh okey dokey. Heyuck."
Based on the ending we currently have, Shepard is a complete moron. That has to change. Give Shepard the option to argue with the catalyst (requiring a new ending option and possibility), or change the premise to one that is supported by the game. Make it more generic. "Organics are jerks and you'll all kill each other eventually so we preserve you before that can happen." That would at least be something that Shepard would have a hard time arguing against. The Krogan Rebellions, the Geth/Quarian conflict, the First Contact war, the ongoing conflict between the Betarians and the Humans - that would all support this statement. I still think Shepard would need to be able to argue the point, but if not, at least this would be one that would make more sense not to fight back on.
Second, they have to get rid of the "space magic". I'm not talking about Joker running away or the crash landing, that's a minor issue. I'm talking about two major instances of technology or abilities that are introduced with no precedent, that make no sense.
First of these is TIM controlling Shepard and Anderson. We've already seen that reapers cannot physically control someone, even if they're fully indoctrinated and heavily implanted with reaper technology. Saren is able to shoot himself, which is a major setback to Sovereign's plans. Yet Sovereign doesn't stop him. And the only way that he is able to take control of his body is by transferring his entire consciousness into Saren's dead body, so much so that when you kill Saren's body again, Sovereign dies as well. So how the **** is the Illusive Man able to take precise physical control of two people who have no control technology implants and little to no exposure to indoctrination? He can't. Remove it. Turn it into a classic standoff. He was there first, Anderson comes in and the two square off, Shepard comes in, tries to talk TIM down, either TiM shoots Anderson or Anderson is already wounded by Harbinger's blast. You kill TIM or talk him into killing himself. Anderson dies from his wounds. Sad touching moment preserved without Shepard becoming an unwilling murderer, and without stupid space magic.
The second case is the entire synthesis ending. Synthetic DNA? An energy wave that can make precise physical alterations to microscopic structures (ie. DNA), without causing horrible genetic defects, detrimental mutations, cancers, etc.? An energy wave that can also effect metabolic changes, to the point that a person's eyeball (which doesn't really grow much at all past age 5), and skin (as well as who knows what else) are significantly altered within a few minutes? And potentially an energy wave that can spontaneously generate matter from nothing? The likelihood is that "synthetic DNA", whatever it is, may not even be based on the same bases, so not only would this simple energy wave have to rewrite DNA, it would potentially have to create new molecules that don't exist in the body, and integrate them into the existing DNA structure. EIther that, or it just spontaneously generates synthetic circuitry and organic tissues. In any case, that's a lot of work being done by what is essentially a simple energy wave.
If they can intelligently fix those three things, I'll be satisfied. If not - if they simply try to technobable their way out of it - then yes I'll feel patronized, and completely unsatisfied.
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