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Joccaren wrote...

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I.T. is a literary interpretation, not a conspiracy, please learn the difference.


Actually, its both.

There are many who say that IT is the true ending and that everyone else will be proven wrong with EC, or that it was Bioware's plan all along. That's not literary interpretation, that is conspiracy.

The speculation based off in game events is literary interpretation, but some take it a bit beyond that.


Exactly. You can't claim to be the only theory, and that your correct, and call it anything but conspiracy.
You COULD be right, so could one of several other theories. Or Maybe it just kinda sucks. If you can't consider that, then yes it's pretty much a conspiracy.

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Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I.T. is a literary interpretation, not a conspiracy, please learn the difference.


Actually, its both.

There are many who say that IT is the true ending and that everyone else will be proven wrong with EC, or that it was Bioware's plan all along. That's not literary interpretation, that is conspiracy.

The speculation based off in game events is literary interpretation, but some take it a bit beyond that.


Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

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RebelReya wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I.T. is a literary interpretation, not a conspiracy, please learn the difference.


Actually, its both.

There are many who say that IT is the true ending and that everyone else will be proven wrong with EC, or that it was Bioware's plan all along. That's not literary interpretation, that is conspiracy.

The speculation based off in game events is literary interpretation, but some take it a bit beyond that.


Exactly. You can't claim to be the only theory, and that your correct, and call it anything but conspiracy.
You COULD be right, so could one of several other theories. Or Maybe it just kinda sucks. If you can't consider that, then yes it's pretty much a conspiracy.


I read what you have to say, and realize you're not really saying anything because you have no idea what you're talking about, an interpretation is just that... an interpretation, we feel passionately about it because it actually fixes a lot of the thematical issues with the ending. No one is telling you what to think and if you aren't comfortable that someone has a different opinion.... well, that's a personal problem.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 08:07 .


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Joccaren wrote...

That's not literary interpretation, that is conspiracy.



FYI people:

A conspiracy implies a group of conspirators aimed to have political-economic power or achieve some a harmful/illegal goal by carrying some sinister plot.

Have a nice day.

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balance5050 wrote...

RebelReya wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I.T. is a literary interpretation, not a conspiracy, please learn the difference.


Actually, its both.

There are many who say that IT is the true ending and that everyone else will be proven wrong with EC, or that it was Bioware's plan all along. That's not literary interpretation, that is conspiracy.

The speculation based off in game events is literary interpretation, but some take it a bit beyond that.


Exactly. You can't claim to be the only theory, and that your correct, and call it anything but conspiracy.
You COULD be right, so could one of several other theories. Or Maybe it just kinda sucks. If you can't consider that, then yes it's pretty much a conspiracy.


I read what you have to say, and realize you're not really saying anything because you have no idea what you're talking about, an interpretation is just that... an interpretation, we feel passionately about it because it actually fixes a lot of the thematical issues with the ending. No one is telling you what to think and if you aren't comfortable that someone has a different opinion.... well, that's a personal problem.


I'm sorry, most of us have no problem with reasonible IT-ers. But this thread is not an example that. I really appriciate the effort that the IT movement has put into it's interpretation. It nothing short of epic, but then you support things like this:

1) unfinshed game that sucks
or
2) unfinshed game that dose not suck

the chioce is your's


and burn another bridge.

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RebelReya wrote...



All you're doing is bumping an inflammatory thread with inflammatory remarks, doesn't seem like you're being the better person and engaging in positive conversation at all. So please stop being hipocritical and go post in one of the many threads that agree with your views.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 08:35 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

I never said all. My statement lumped only as many people into a group as your original one did.

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Look, I think that if all that Indoctrination interpretation were real BW would have made it easier to get, no need to be looking at Shepards eyes just before his dead..... the trees of a Council chambers...... that there are 3 circles in the Catalyst's Chamber that resemble te crashed Mako near the Citadel beam etc........


I always put as example The Witcher 1 and Jacques de Aldersberg, to explain it better I will proceed to explain now, beware, tons of SPOILERS to follow, if you are playing or intent playing The Witcher 1 You've been warned:





At the begining of Act 1 Geralt saves a little boy named Alvin, this boy seems to have a gift for magic.... During the first 4 Acts Geralt saves his live many times, gives him some advices and the boy tells things like "He likes plaing kill the elf, where he plays as Grand Master", also in Act 1 The King Of The Wild Hunt says something about  Geralt having a deal with him where he must give him the soul of someone who is close and travels time.... Or something like that.....
At the end the end of Act IV Alvn dissapears in a magical portal just when a battle between elves and the knights of the Burning Rose (The religious military order that has become increasingly powerful in the Northren Kingdoms) is about to begin, we'll never see him again.
In Act V and Epilogue we have some encounters with Jacques de Aldersberg, the Grand Master of the Order of the Burning Rose and:
- The first time we ever see him he kills some monsters that are attacking Geralt, he says that he owes him for saving his live.
- Jacques de Aldersberg makes use of magic.
- He accuses Geralt of "preachiness"
- He tells you back one of the adivices Geralt gave to alvin in Act 4
- He treats Geralt with affection and even tries to convince him to join the Order's cause.
- Jacques de Aldersberg is the final boss (well there can be a 2nd final boss....) in the game, when you beat him the King Of the Wild Hunt appears demanding the pact he talked about in Act 1 to be fulfilled.
- if you refuse and beat the King you can examine Jacques de Aldersberg's corpse, there you can find a pendant Geralt gave to Alvin in Act 4 to preotect him from his uncontrolled magic (it failed, by the way) a bit wasted by time
- de Aldersberg is in fact Grand Master and the Order he leads is know for it's anti-nonhuman (elves, dwarves.....) ideology and openly fighting and discriminating them


Al of this leads to almost all The Witcher players to the conclusion that Jacques de Aldersberg IS Alvin who went back on time due to his magic (Most powerfull magicians can do so) and in his new life in the past adopted a new identity as the future Grand Master.


END OF SPOILERS





THIS is something crystal clear, CD Project Red never confirmed nor denied this, bu that's evident, they put big proof on fron t of your eyes, but no wit IT we have to be looking to small and (aparently) unrelevant details (eyes, some conversation interpretation, the thing about the mako, the similarities between beams......)
I don't dissmiss that BW may end adopting IT because of all the noise it's doing..... but I'll never believe that it was their intention from the begining.

Modifié par Feanor_II, 05 juin 2012 - 08:46 .


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balance5050 wrote...

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All you're doing is bumping an inflammatory thread with inflammatory remarks, doesn't seem like you're being the better person and engaging in positive conversation at all. So please stop being hipocritical and go post in one of the many threads that agree with your views.


I never claimed to be.
How about you try that your self?
We are the ones labed 'haters' and we have every right to respond to that.

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Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

I never said all. My statement lumped only as many people into a group as your original one did.


Nah bro, I didn't lump anyone together, not my thing....

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RebelReya wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

RebelReya wrote...



All you're doing is bumping an inflammatory thread with inflammatory remarks, doesn't seem like you're being the better person and engaging in positive conversation at all. So please stop being hipocritical and go post in one of the many threads that agree with your views.


I never claimed to be.
How about you try that your self?
We are the ones labed 'haters' and we have every right to respond to that.


Huh? I'm an IT believer, I'm in the appropriate thread.... Why do you hate a literary interpretation?

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balance5050 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

I never said all. My statement lumped only as many people into a group as your original one did.


Nah bro, I didn't lump anyone together, not my thing....

My point exactly

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Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

I never said all. My statement lumped only as many people into a group as your original one did.


Nah bro, I didn't lump anyone together, not my thing....

My point exactly


2/10

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balance5050 wrote...


Huh? I'm an IT believer, I'm in the appropriate thread.... Why do you hate a literary interpretation?


I just stated above that I don't mind reasonable IT-ers. I don't hate it. But if your of this mentality...

1) unfinshed game that sucks
or
2) unfinshed game that dose not suck

the chioce is your's


Then yes, I'm a hater and I'm in the right place.

Modifié par RebelReya, 05 juin 2012 - 08:49 .


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RebelReya wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Huh? I'm an IT believer, I'm in the appropriate thread.... Why do you hate a literary interpretation?


I just stated above that I don't mind reasonable IT-ers. I don't hate it. But if your of this mentality...

1) unfinshed game that sucks
or
2) unfinshed game that dose not suck

the chioce is your's


Then yes, I'm a hater and I'm in the right place.


I don't think any IT'er thinks the game sucks, just the ending's at face value. And yes your game is unfinished, no Mass Effect game is "complete" without its respective DLC. Try to keep in mind that Bioware asked EA for 6 extra months, and they got 3.... also keep inmind that this sort of thing is a common practice now.

http://www.cinemable...6-99-40917.html 

http://www.gamespot....essions-6234008 

http://www.eurogamer...nding-explained 

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 08:56 .


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Feanor_II wrote...

Look, I think that if all that Indoctrination interpretation were real BW would have made it easier to get, no need to be looking at Shepards eyes just before his dead..... the trees of a Council chambers...... that there are 3 circles in the Catalyst's Chamber that resemble te crashed Mako near the Citadel beam etc........


There are actually FOUR barrel like objects in the chamber with reversed colours of the Mako wheels, so they don't resemble SIX-wheeled Mako at all.

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I see FFXIII-2 get thrown about all the time like it means something although it wasn't lacking an ending nor did any of its DLC add an ending... One DLC ran concurrently with the finale of the main game and explained a few bits and bobs but the game ultimately ends in the exact same manner ready for FFXIII-3 if it gets the go ahead.


It really isn't a valid way to somehow justify IT meaning Bioware sold us a game without an ending.

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Peytl wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Look, I think that if all that Indoctrination interpretation were real BW would have made it easier to get, no need to be looking at Shepards eyes just before his dead..... the trees of a Council chambers...... that there are 3 circles in the Catalyst's Chamber that resemble te crashed Mako near the Citadel beam etc........


There are actually FOUR barrel like objects in the chamber with reversed colours of the Mako wheels, so they don't resemble SIX-wheeled Mako at all.

Don't tell that to me, it isn't my idea, I just read that at IT thread:


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Modifié par Feanor_II, 05 juin 2012 - 09:22 .


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Well basically, I'd rather believe that the ending was rushed as it is, than when it's revealed the whole thing was caused by indoctrination.

Yeah nope.

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That thing with the wheels, good Lord... It's just as bad as dream_foliage, those bodies by the conduit and the magic pistol. :blink:

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And guess what?

You misunderstand. In my opinion infinite ammo only means that it is cut-scene. Long and interactive cut-scene.

only got 3

That fits both explanations at very least.
Ending is rushed and inadequate because they need another three months.
Or I. T. is not completed because they needed another three months.

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balance5050 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some, not all, it's not good to lump entire groups of people together you know.

I never said all. My statement lumped only as many people into a group as your original one did.


Nah bro, I didn't lump anyone together, not my thing....

My point exactly


2/10

*sighs*
Is it seriously that hard?