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[killage_wizard]

jijeebo wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I'd rather have a crappy ending than no ending.

At least with the EC they can spend all their time working on what they already have, rather than having to make up something new which could end up being just as crap.

all they would have to do is extend on the current ending, a reaper would say your mind is more strong willed than we thought and thats it to tie in with indoctriation theory

But what about everything that you thought you'd done but was actually in your head?

TIM, Harbinger, the conduit, the Citadel, the Crucibles function, Reaper origins/motive, the Reaper threat, epilogue and personalisation all have to be worked on with IT because none of these arcs have been solved if Shep wakes up back on Earth. And on top of that you have to at least try and include a decent explanation as to why Shepard was able to resist such a full-on indoctrination attempt. As well as including alternative scenarios for the poor souls who chose Control and Synthesis and are destined to fail because they've just become indoctrinated and as such incapable of defeating the reapers. This will need a separate epilogue explaining what happens to the universe when people chose "wrongly" and doomed everyone to reaper death.


IT wouldn't be an easy thing to implement if they decided to roll with it and do it right.

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

[Taboo]

IsaacShep wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

So it's only a DLC advertisement if it fits your argument.

Good to know.

Developers word on the story >>>>>>>>> your word. And you will simply have to deal with it. They say Shep wins in all endings, you can't do anything about it. IT is false.

He's in a state of denial so severe that the only thing that will break him out of it will be the release of the Extended Cut this Summer.

And then, well, he'll have to deal with his actions.

If he isn't trolling now he's in for the wake up call of a lifetime.

[killage_wizard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

So it's only a DLC advertisement if it fits your argument.

Good to know.

Developers word on the story >>>>>>>>> your word. And you will simply have to deal with it. They say Shep wins in all endings, you can't do anything about it. IT is false.

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

[shepskisaac]

Leafs43 wrote...

The devs said I can continue to build on my legend after I have defeated the reapers.

And they bumped you back where you can do it. Problem?

Seriously, you're delusional to the point it's funny.

killage_wizard wrote...

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

And they later said that it was about "Game Over screen". Plus, the word of the entire team being actually present in the game >>>> the word of one dev.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 04 juin 2012 - 03:56 .

[Taboo]

The Reapers do win.....if you let the Crucible blow up.

As for interpreting what Bioware thinks is deep and artful, that's anyone's guess.

[PlumPaul93]

IsaacShep wrote...delusional to the point it's funny.

Common theme with the IT people.

[Taboo]

He has to be trolling.

If he isn't he's a fascinating sociological phenomenon.

Amazing.

[jijeebo]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I'd rather have a crappy ending than no ending.

At least with the EC they can spend all their time working on what they already have, rather than having to make up something new which could end up being just as crap.

all they would have to do is extend on the current ending, a reaper would say your mind is more strong willed than we thought and thats it to tie in with indoctriation theory

But what about everything that you thought you'd done but was actually in your head?

TIM, Harbinger, the conduit, the Citadel, the Crucibles function, Reaper origins/motive, the Reaper threat, epilogue and personalisation all have to be worked on with IT because none of these arcs have been solved if Shep wakes up back on Earth. And on top of that you have to at least try and include a decent explanation as to why Shepard was able to resist such a full-on indoctrination attempt. As well as including alternative scenarios for the poor souls who chose Control and Synthesis and are destined to fail because they've just become indoctrinated and as such incapable of defeating the reapers. This will need a separate epilogue explaining what happens to the universe when people chose "wrongly" and doomed everyone to reaper death.


IT wouldn't be an easy thing to implement if they decided to roll with it and do it right.

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

They also said we would be able to get the optimal, most complete ending purely with single player... Didn't happen.

Biowares pre-release campaign was a shambles.

And who knows, maybe they consider "The Crucible Has Been Destroyed." to be an ending.

[killage_wizard]

thesnake777 wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

My Issue With IT has to do with the people shoving it down my throat saying any inconsistency in the the plot is Indoctrination. I dont mind IT myself. I think its an extremely well put together Idea. However I dont believe it was intended or is what happened.

I for one am not shoving it down anyones throat.  I look at what I see.  It leads me to believe IT, and I want to talk about it.  I would also say that the "IT Haters" are doing the same thing with "all the plotholes are just terrible writing so deal with it".

I was making a statment, which would be refering to some of the more fanatical people who bealive in IT. Like I said I dont have a problem with IT, I think its really well thought out. I just dont agree with it. When I look at the game overall, I think too much credit is being given to the writers.

I do to, but I am not calling you a moron like some other people on this bored.  And I give you full credit for not calling me a moron either.  My point really is no one knows with 100% certainty that it is or isn't, and if it ends up not being the case I will be the first one to say I was wrong, and the the writing was just simply attrocious.

[Seboist]

IsaacShep wrote...

Seboist wrote...

So, is "indoctrination" also the reason why ME3 completely invalidated ME1's plot or why we got the completely nonsensical crucible plot? How about Cerberus being retconned in a galactic sith empire or why an Alliance defence committee go full retard and grovel at Shepard's feet? Does it explain those too?

You silly, it was all a dream even since the beacon on Eden Prime in ME1.

It would explain the derp in all three games for sure.

[killage_wizard]

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

They also said we would be able to get the optimal, most complete ending purely with single player... Didn't happen.

Biowares pre-release campaign was a shambles.

And who knows, maybe they consider "The Crucible Has Been Destroyed." to be an ending.

So even if its not I.T. then only the people who picked destroy got the true, complete, canon ending?

[davishepard]

Leafs43 wrote...

The game informs me that after I have dispatched the reaper threat I can continue to build on my legend.


How can I do that if Shepard is dead?

You can do this because after finishing the game, your Shepard is taken to before Cronos Station mission. So, they (Bioware) could add various DLC missions if they want, and when you go to Cronos Station and follow til the ending, Shepard legend will be bigger.

Got it?

[sw04ca]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Alien Ressurection

Now there was an ending worse than ME3.  Worse than anything.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

killage_wizard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

You don';t.  You lose.

Exactly. Therefore, IT is simply false because Bioware specifically said that you don't lose. Case closed.

Leafs43 wrote...

It's merely a DLC advertisement and nothing beyond that.

Still swimming in the Nile?

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

In all endings? Really? Please tell me where they say that! Better yet, please show it, oh goody would I love to see it!

It show after every ending.

It doesn't say Shepard ended the threat by picking control, synthesis, or destroy.  It only says he ended.  Its not specific enough to completely disprove I.T.  And its vague enough to not matter.  It is after all only a DLC ad.  is it evidence against I.T.?  Sure, but it is only one piece of evidence and there is far more that leads me to believe I.T. is correct.

This. This so hard the sun explodes.

It doesn't say when, or where, by what, or how. Vague enough to not matter on some parts, maybe, but mostly vague enough to raise suspicion. There are only three things you can take from that message: Shepard was the one who ended the reaper threat, Shepard is a legend, and that there will be dlc incoming. That's it.
Hardly confirming that the endings we have now are the actual endings and per my own opinion, Bioware has had something planned for a while now.

[killage_wizard]

sw04ca wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Alien Ressurection

Now there was an ending worse than ME3.  Worse than anything.

At least Mass Effect 3 was good up until the last ten minutes.  Ressurection sucked in its entirety.

[killage_wizard]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

You don';t.  You lose.

Exactly. Therefore, IT is simply false because Bioware specifically said that you don't lose. Case closed.

Leafs43 wrote...

It's merely a DLC advertisement and nothing beyond that.

Still swimming in the Nile?

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

In all endings? Really? Please tell me where they say that! Better yet, please show it, oh goody would I love to see it!

It show after every ending.

It doesn't say Shepard ended the threat by picking control, synthesis, or destroy.  It only says he ended.  Its not specific enough to completely disprove I.T.  And its vague enough to not matter.  It is after all only a DLC ad.  is it evidence against I.T.?  Sure, but it is only one piece of evidence and there is far more that leads me to believe I.T. is correct.

This. This so hard the sun explodes.

It doesn't say when, or where, by what, or how. Vague enough to not matter on some parts, maybe, but mostly vague enough to raise suspicion. There are only three things you can take from that message: Shepard was the one who ended the reaper threat, Shepard is a legend, and that there will be dlc incoming. That's it.
Hardly confirming that the endings we have now are the actual endings and per my own opinion, Bioware has had something planned for a while now.

Exactly.

[jijeebo]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

They also said we would be able to get the optimal, most complete ending purely with single player... Didn't happen.

Biowares pre-release campaign was a shambles.

And who knows, maybe they consider "The Crucible Has Been Destroyed." to be an ending.

So even if its not I.T. then only the people who picked destroy got the true, complete, canon ending?

Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

[GoblinSapper]

In regards to the original post:

Because as some point the gratification seeking behavior beggars belief and patience. The continual existence of IT is an emotional crutch, one that stunts the righteous anger people ought to be feeling over this sordid bull**** affair towards Bioware. It is a cult, an opiate, and someone being wrong on the internet all at once, and thus lights within me a fury of contempt and disdain. Not only has the idea become laughably stretched, but it's continued adherence is holding back the emotional and social development of the community in a "Bioware will fix everything" nether-realm of hope and bull****.

Unless the company is brought to task by our indignation and indeed, our money (or more correctly the lack there-of) this sad incidence will be repeated again and again. IT stands in the way of that by pretending that the problem does not exist.

[killage_wizard]

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

"In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was
taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in
which the Reapers win.

"Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes"."

They also said we would be able to get the optimal, most complete ending purely with single player... Didn't happen.

Biowares pre-release campaign was a shambles.

And who knows, maybe they consider "The Crucible Has Been Destroyed." to be an ending.

So even if its not I.T. then only the people who picked destroy got the true, complete, canon ending?

Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

[XxDarkTimexX]

jijeebo wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I'd rather have a crappy ending than no ending.

At least with the EC they can spend all their time working on what they already have, rather than having to make up something new which could end up being just as crap.

all they would have to do is extend on the current ending, a reaper would say your mind is more strong willed than we thought and thats it to tie in with indoctriation theory

But what about everything that you thought you'd done but was actually in your head?

TIM, Harbinger, the conduit, the Citadel, the Crucibles function, Reaper origins/motive, the Reaper threat, epilogue and personalisation all have to be worked on with IT because none of these arcs have been solved if Shep wakes up back on Earth. And on top of that you have to at least try and include a decent explanation as to why Shepard was able to resist such a full-on indoctrination attempt. As well as including alternative scenarios for the poor souls who chose Control and Synthesis and are destined to fail because they've just become indoctrinated and as such incapable of defeating the reapers. This will need a separate epilogue explaining what happens to the universe when people chose "wrongly" and doomed everyone to reaper death.


IT wouldn't be an easy thing to implement if they decided to roll with it and do it right.

i didn't say how long the IT theory has to stick with EC and besides its bioware's  game not mine, i was at least giving more thought than most people here who argueing the same **** i have seen, oh wait let me think.......... at least 600 threads like this or more. Lets see why chose a different goal at the last 10 mins of the game when, you chose control its Tim's goal the ass you have been fighting all though mass effect 2 and 3, if you chose synthesis which is saren's goal oh wait you would no about it if most people played the first 2 games.

[sw04ca]

killage_wizard wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Alien Ressurection

Now there was an ending worse than ME3.  Worse than anything.

At least Mass Effect 3 was good up until the last ten minutes.  Ressurection sucked in its entirety.

I liked some of the supporting cast, and I was interested in the Euro sci-fi motif of the movie, but it suffered from the fact that it really didn't need to be made.

[jijeebo]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

[killage_wizard]

GoblinSapper wrote...

In regards to the original post:

Because as some point the gratification seeking behavior beggars belief and patience. The continual existence of IT is an emotional crutch, one that stunts the righteous anger people ought to be feeling over this sordid bull**** affair towards Bioware. It is a cult, an opiate, and someone being wrong on the internet all at once, and thus lights within me a fury of contempt and disdain. Not only has the idea become laughably stretched, but it's continued adherence is holding back the emotional and social development of the community in a "Bioware will fix everything" nether-realm of hope and bull****.

Unless the company is brought to task by our indignation and indeed, our money (or more correctly the lack there-of) this sad incidence will be repeated again and again. IT stands in the way of that by pretending that the problem does not exist.

So because people think Bioware might be in the middle of pulling off a genius twist ending you are angry because they may allow them to continue to sell games in the future?  Calm down dude.  No one can say with 100% certanty that I.T. is true or not.  Hopefully the EC puts it to rest one way or another.  Until then you might want to get the fury checcked out by a professional. 

[killage_wizard]

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

All three choices give you a unique version of something that happens to the citadel, something happening to the relays, the jungle planet, and the old man and kid.  the breathe isnt just a unique element.  it is an extra piece that does not have an equivalent in the other endings.

[jijeebo]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I'd rather have a crappy ending than no ending.

At least with the EC they can spend all their time working on what they already have, rather than having to make up something new which could end up being just as crap.

all they would have to do is extend on the current ending, a reaper would say your mind is more strong willed than we thought and thats it to tie in with indoctriation theory

But what about everything that you thought you'd done but was actually in your head?

TIM, Harbinger, the conduit, the Citadel, the Crucibles function, Reaper origins/motive, the Reaper threat, epilogue and personalisation all have to be worked on with IT because none of these arcs have been solved if Shep wakes up back on Earth. And on top of that you have to at least try and include a decent explanation as to why Shepard was able to resist such a full-on indoctrination attempt. As well as including alternative scenarios for the poor souls who chose Control and Synthesis and are destined to fail because they've just become indoctrinated and as such incapable of defeating the reapers. This will need a separate epilogue explaining what happens to the universe when people chose "wrongly" and doomed everyone to reaper death.


IT wouldn't be an easy thing to implement if they decided to roll with it and do it right.

i didn't say how long the IT theory has to stick with EC and besides its bioware's  game not mine, i was at least giving more thought than most people here who argueing the same **** i have seen, oh wait let me think.......... at least 600 threads like this or more. Lets see why chose a different goal at the last 10 mins of the game when, you chose control its Tim's goal the ass you have been fighting all though mass effect 2 and 3, if you chose synthesis which is saren's goal oh wait you would no about it if most people played the first 2 games.

Sorry I think I misread you.

I thought you meant that all they would have to do for IT in EC is add a little bit onto the current endings, sorry that was my bad.