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[XxDarkTimexX]

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

[sw04ca]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

What kind of scanner?

[Vigilant111]

OP: I would say that IT is the most compelling out of all theories presented to date, I like it, but my fondness of IT is reserved... because it is only a theory at best

I also noticed that IT support had become somewhat militant, (it is all or none), to me IT looks like it is snuffing out all other voices, and I think that is wrong, there are imperfections of the theory, and to make these imperfections better, constructive criticism must be taken into account

Anyway that's just my view I mean I might be the worst critique of any seemingly set-in-stone theory since I consider myself a militant destroy option supporter

[killage_wizard]

Its not that one piece of I.T. evidence is so strong that i proves the theory. Its the combination of many coincidences and clues that lead me to the conclusion. I could argue single pieces of evidence like the breathe scene all night, but its almost futile because it is not just the breathe scene that leads me to believe in I.T. It is the combination of many different things.

Modifié par killage_wizard, 04 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[jijeebo]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

All three choices give you a unique version of something that happens to the citadel, something happening to the relays, the jungle planet, and the old man and kid.  the breathe isnt just a unique element.  it is an extra piece that does not have an equivalent in the other endings.

Everything other than those 3 things I mentioned happen in at least 2 endings, although I'll add 2 more I omitted.


Destroy and Synthesis have the exact same ending in regards to the Citadel, Control is different because the Citadel needs to survive it.
Control and Synthesis have the exact same Reapers leaving Earth scene, Destroy is different because they're dead.
Destroy and Synthesis both show the relays exploding fully, Control doesn't because we're meant to believe that they aren't as heavily damaged in Control.
Control and Destroy have the exact same version of the jungle planet, Synthesis is different to show that it has worked and everything looks like a motherboard now.
Control and Synthesis both fade to black afterwards, Destroy is different because Shepard can survive and they wanted to show that that had happened.
All 3 endings have the same scene with the stargazer.


Like I said, they're all different and equally valid unless the EC comes out and says something different and I don't feel the placing of the scene is relevant because there isn't an appropriate place to insert that scene during the rest of the ending.


EDIT: But I need to go to bed now, I hope I've portrayed what I'm trying to say well enough.

Modifié par jijeebo, 04 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[XxDarkTimexX]

sw04ca wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

What kind of scanner?

use this pic for example of different types scanners mean light scanners

[Vigilant111]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

What kind of scanner?

use this pic for example of different types scanners mean light scanners

I think u meant thermal detector?

[killage_wizard]

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

All three choices give you a unique version of something that happens to the citadel, something happening to the relays, the jungle planet, and the old man and kid.  the breathe isnt just a unique element.  it is an extra piece that does not have an equivalent in the other endings.

Everything other than those 3 things I mentioned happen in at least 2 endings, although I'll add 2 more I omitted.


Destroy and Synthesis have the exact same ending in regards to the Citadel, Control is different because the Citadel needs to survive it.
Control and Synthesis have the exact same Reapers leaving Earth scene, Destroy is different because they're dead.
Destroy and Synthesis both show the relays exploding fully, Control doesn't because we're meant to believe that they aren't as heavily damaged in Control.
Control and Destroy have the exact same version of the jungle planet, Synthesis is different to show that it has worked and everything looks like a motherboard now.
Control and Synthesis both fade to black afterwards, Destroy is different because Shepard can survive and they wanted to show that that had happened.
All 3 endings have the same scene with the stargazer.


Like I said, they're all different and equally valid unless the EC comes out and says something different and I don't feel the placing of the scene is relevant because there isn't an appropriate place to insert that scene during the rest of the ending.

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

[XxDarkTimexX]

Vigilant111 wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

What kind of scanner?

use this pic for example of different types scanners mean light scanners

I think u meant thermal detector?

sort of but yeah, but just using just thermal detector for a scanner people will try and contradict what your trying to say. Most people would say oh u mean UV detector but some people it would be light spectrum detector or spectrum light detector.  

[XxDarkTimexX]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Also most people seem to not get that reapers aren't humans and they don't think like humans. Like harbinger flies away and people say *oh thats right harbinger thinks shepard is died* in the real world what robot thinks that a human is died no one. Reaper use scanners to tell if humans are died or not in plain view sight

What kind of scanner?

use this pic for example of different types scanners mean light scanners

I think u meant thermal detector?

sort of but yeah, but just using just thermal detector for a scanner people will try and contradict what your trying to say. Most people would say oh u mean UV detector but some people it would be light spectrum detector or spectrum light detector.  

and different types of scanners that we human can use to see if a person is truly dead or alive

[XxDarkTimexX]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

All three choices give you a unique version of something that happens to the citadel, something happening to the relays, the jungle planet, and the old man and kid.  the breathe isnt just a unique element.  it is an extra piece that does not have an equivalent in the other endings.

Everything other than those 3 things I mentioned happen in at least 2 endings, although I'll add 2 more I omitted.


Destroy and Synthesis have the exact same ending in regards to the Citadel, Control is different because the Citadel needs to survive it.
Control and Synthesis have the exact same Reapers leaving Earth scene, Destroy is different because they're dead.
Destroy and Synthesis both show the relays exploding fully, Control doesn't because we're meant to believe that they aren't as heavily damaged in Control.
Control and Destroy have the exact same version of the jungle planet, Synthesis is different to show that it has worked and everything looks like a motherboard now.
Control and Synthesis both fade to black afterwards, Destroy is different because Shepard can survive and they wanted to show that that had happened.
All 3 endings have the same scene with the stargazer.


Like I said, they're all different and equally valid unless the EC comes out and says something different and I don't feel the placing of the scene is relevant because there isn't an appropriate place to insert that scene during the rest of the ending.

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

thats true

[XxDarkTimexX]

as for me i tired of making reason or truth, i'll i have to do is wait and see what happens to EC or mass effect at all

[Vigilant111]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Don't put words in my mouth... I said most complete because that ending is the longest one and includes a scene that the others don't have a version of. And optimal because it requires the highest EMS.

None of the endings are canon or true, they're all equally valid and simply different.

But a piece of evidence for IT is that the destory ending IS the only one that has an extra scene.  Why not do an extra one for all three endings?

Well it's a nonsence piece of evidence because it means that only people who play MP will get to see the new ending when the EC comes out... GREAT GOING BIOWARE U GUYZ ROCK!


- Control has the Citadel closing rather than exploding
- Synthesis has a different version of the jungle planet scene
- Destroy gets the breath scene

Just because Destroys unique element is on the end doesn't mean that it's suddenly more important.

All three choices give you a unique version of something that happens to the citadel, something happening to the relays, the jungle planet, and the old man and kid.  the breathe isnt just a unique element.  it is an extra piece that does not have an equivalent in the other endings.

Everything other than those 3 things I mentioned happen in at least 2 endings, although I'll add 2 more I omitted.


Destroy and Synthesis have the exact same ending in regards to the Citadel, Control is different because the Citadel needs to survive it.
Control and Synthesis have the exact same Reapers leaving Earth scene, Destroy is different because they're dead.
Destroy and Synthesis both show the relays exploding fully, Control doesn't because we're meant to believe that they aren't as heavily damaged in Control.
Control and Destroy have the exact same version of the jungle planet, Synthesis is different to show that it has worked and everything looks like a motherboard now.
Control and Synthesis both fade to black afterwards, Destroy is different because Shepard can survive and they wanted to show that that had happened.
All 3 endings have the same scene with the stargazer.


Like I said, they're all different and equally valid unless the EC comes out and says something different and I don't feel the placing of the scene is relevant because there isn't an appropriate place to insert that scene during the rest of the ending.

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

Yes yes its all down to a numbers game

@jujeebo: the last line of your post is just a futile way to make people feel better (obligatory), obviously u believe that control triumphs over other options, and there is NO way u will believe that they are all valid

Modifié par Vigilant111, 04 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[Ageless Face]

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon" or "best".  

Modifié par HagarIshay, 04 juin 2012 - 05:11 .

[Leafs43]

HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon".  

Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

[RebelReya]

Leafs43 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon".  

Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Yes! And I've asked IT supporters what they think of it several times, and have yet to get an answer.

[Ageless Face]

Leafs43 wrote...


Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Why? Because Shepard is partly synthetic? Nothing to do with it. If the crucible is build well, then maybe the synthetics dying can only mean PURE synthetics. mind, not neceserally body. Like killing the brain, doestoyin the blue box, Shutting them down or something like that. That is why I don't believe many of the technology will be destroyed in destroy, only synthetics themelves. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 04 juin 2012 - 05:19 .

[Leafs43]

HagarIshay wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...


Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Why? Because Shepard is partly synthetic? Nothing to do with it. If the crucible is build well, then maybe the synthetics dying can only mean PURE synthetics, mind, not neceserally body. Like killing the brain, doestoyin the blue bod, Shutting them down or something like that. That is why I don't believe many of the technology will be destroyed in destroy, only synthetics themelves. 

Maybe because:





Nobody would survive that.

[RebelReya]

HagarIshay wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...


Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Why? Because Shepard is partly synthetic? Nothing to do with it. If the crucible is build well, then maybe the synthetics dying can only mean PURE synthetics, mind, not neceserally body. Like killing the brain, doestoyin the blue bod, Shutting them down or something like that. That is why I don't believe many of the technology will be destroyed in destroy, only synthetics themelves. 

Because in the begining of ME2 Shepard was killed in a MUCH smaller explosion while waring a full spacesuit! How, aside from space magic, does that happen?

[killage_wizard]

RebelReya wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon".  

Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Yes! And I've asked IT supporters what they think of it several times, and have yet to get an answer.

That's easy.  Destroy is what breaks the indoctrination.  If IT is true then that means you aren't actually destorying the Reapers with your choice.  Rather it is a metaphor for breaking the indocrination.  You wake up in the rubble of London because you never on the Citadel.  If it isn't I.T. Shepard living doesn't make sense.

Modifié par killage_wizard, 04 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[RebelReya]

killage_wizard wrote...

RebelReya wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon".  

Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Yes! And I've asked IT supporters what they think of it several times, and have yet to get an answer.

That's easy.  Destroy is what breaks the indoctrination.  If IT is true then that means you aren't actually destorying the Reapers with your choice.  Rather it is a metaphor for breaking the indocrination.  You wake up in the rubble of London because you never on the Citadel.

Yes, but then they sold us a game without an end, and your choice doesn't matter.
And then why are their 3 choices, and not just 2?

[DieHigh2012]

I wish IT was real, but it obviously is not.

If it were true it *would* have been finished before the game shipped, and it *would* have been released already.

Bioware would have released it as soon as they saw the gigantic backlash wave crashing down on their heads.

[Leafs43]

RebelReya wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

RebelReya wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

You might have missed my point.  I'm not really reffering to the content of the scenes.Control and Synthesis have X cutscenes in their endings, but Control has X plus 1.  Also, this is only part of the reason I believe in I.T.  Part of the whole reason it is around is because there are so many little things, that when added together, seem to make a big picture.

You do understand that the only ending that has the breathing scene is destroy because That's that only ending we don't actually see Shepard dying, right? We needed at least one ending to have a living Shepard, and destroy was the one that was chosen.

And it's not always how much scenes you get, but what you can interpret from them:

Control clearly tells you the relays were not destroyed by not actually let us see any explosion, and let us understand the Citadel is not destroyed by closing the arms.

You see in synthesis what the new DNA made the organics and synthetics into at the last scene, that alone is enough for us to understand synthesis worked.

Destroy was an exception becasue you needed the breath scene to understand Shepard is alive. Otherwise we would not understand it, would we?

This has nothing to do with "Canon". Every ending is giving something else. Control saves the technology. Synthesis gives a new begining. Destroy is leaving Shepard alive. What is the best is entirley up to you to decide. There is no "canon".  

Destroy makes LESS sense with Shepard breathing.

Yes! And I've asked IT supporters what they think of it several times, and have yet to get an answer.

That's easy.  Destroy is what breaks the indoctrination.  If IT is true then that means you aren't actually destorying the Reapers with your choice.  Rather it is a metaphor for breaking the indocrination.  You wake up in the rubble of London because you never on the Citadel.

Yes, but then they sold us a game without an end, and your choice doesn't matter.
And then why are their 3 choices, and not just 2?

Dude....


They give you 3 choices because it's based on what the reapers want, not what you want.

There is a reason why destroy is painted so negatively by the catalyst.

Modifié par Leafs43, 04 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[killage_wizard]

RebelReya wrote...

Yes, but then they sold us a game without an end, and your choice doesn't matter.
And then why are their 3 choices, and not just 2?

The choices don't matter now.  No matter what you choose the you get a colored energy wave, the relays are destroyed (even in control the relays are destroyed), the fleet will starve to death, for some reason the normandy crash lands on a random planet, and Buzz Aldrin says he forgot the details.

[killage_wizard]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

I wish IT was real, but it obviously is not.

If it were true it *would* have been finished before the game shipped, and it *would* have been released already.

Bioware would have released it as soon as they saw the gigantic backlash wave crashing down on their heads.

Really?  Because Bioware hasn't denied it, and they have been asked.  And if they wanted the "true ending" to be a DLC add on it would not have necessarily been finished.