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[neteng101]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

If you don't like seeing diverse opinions on this message board why don't you go start your own private forum?

Opinions are good, but trolling about one thing incessantly like you're doing is quite another.  Just look at the poll results so far and you'll see that the majority do not want anything to be done to TC.  You can either be graceful and accept that, or you can continue to troll the forums with your incessant whining about something that isn't a problem for most people.

How about you doing the right thing, and taking the door on this issue...  and let everyone else enjoy/play the game?  Instead of feeling like you have to crusade and burn down TC?  You've stated your opinion enough already, its time to let it rest.

[Malditor]

Beerfish wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Don't understand the point of this thread anymore since they already "nerfed" these 2 weapons, though it didn't do much.

The point is that the TC is powerful no matter what.  The weapons where perceived as being over powered and making things too easy thus they nerfed the weapons, which might help the over powered infil players but it also takes the weapons out of the hands of other classes and players.

Why did nobody complain TC was overpowered before they krysae then? The only reason people think TC is OP now is because of the krysae and the benefits it has being affected by it. Nobody complained about TC + any other weapon.

[Mevanna]

buthane22 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Fact: Tactical cloak is broken:

Evidence 1: Reload glitch. You don't have to reload the weapon, you start a reload and cloak and it cancels the reload but your weapon is reloaded.

Evidence 2: No matter how heavy your weapons are, if you cloak, fire a power (e.g. proxy mine) then shoot at an enemy your cooldown speed is always three seconds.

Evidence 3: Even though the sixth option of tactical cloak allows you to fire a power and remain cloaked the cloak damage bonus applies even if you fire a proxy mine and then a couple of shots. Instead of breaking your cloak and losing the cloak bonus. your proxy mine and the few rounds you put out get the damage buff.

Evidence 4: The Geth Infiltrator gets a 80% cloak damage donus for sniper rifles, a 25% hunter mode bonus and a 22.5 Netowrke Ai bonus, that means your weapon does  227.5% damage. That is a huge bonus. Even the salarian infiltrator maxes out at over 200%.

Evidence 5: In most normal settings, infiltrators top the leaderboard. This is due to the class being overpowered and broken. That is also why it is so heavily played.

Pleae fix the reload exploit/glitch, please fix the cloak allowing users to get damage bonuses on a power and weapons and please remove the extra 40% sniping bonus in tree 6. The 40% damage buff in tree 4 should be moved to tree 6.  A 40% damage buff, the ability to cloak and revive teammates, hide from enemies and perform objectives is more than enough for that power.

Please nerf the tactical cloak bioware. We need better balance in multiplayer and that would be the best way to start.

None of what you said was 'evidence'. What you are saying are, at most, things that YOU believe.
Evidence are things that no one can proove false. And all of your statements can be destroyed with only a slight change of point of view :
1- The glitch benefits each and every class. Is it an evidence for something? No, it's a point of view.
2- If I 'un-cloak' as soon as I cloak, I still get a 3 seconds cooldown. The flamer, is desactivated is the first second will have something like a 0.3 second cooldown. Why isn't the cloak cooldown shorter? Broken, but in the exact opposite way of your so-called 'evidence'. So it's again a point of view.
3-The cloak is meant to give you a bonus for a little time after it deactivates. The bonus power will just not make the cloak break. Not an evidence, it's a point of view (again)
4- It's a huge bonus, but it's no evidence. If I max out AR and empty a clip of hurricane, I will get another HUGE bonus. Is it an evidence that it's broken? No, it's a point of view (again and again)
5- I could say that the infiltrator was the best player overall in all of your games. I often see AA, SE, KV, MQE topping the scoreboard. But, even if the infiltrator is ALWAYS the top scorrer, is it an evidence that it's broken? No, it's a point of... wait for it... VIEW! (yeah, again)
So, why don't you stop saying that your point of view is the ultimate proof of you being right and that, because of your almighty ability to transform words into evidence, Bioware should transform the game to fit you? Let people enjoy the game and go back playing Call of Honor : Modern Battlefield 3. I heard it was good

You know that loudly denouncing simple facts as 'just your point of view' is eerily similar to calling evolution 'just a theory'. Just saying.
Ikilledkillab may not have stated the facts in as much irrefutable maths as the other guy I posted earlier, but that makes them no less relevant, it just gives people like you something to pick at when you could really just stick to saying 'I don't agree' and be done with it.

[Ikilledkillab]

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

If you don't like seeing diverse opinions on this message board why don't you go start your own private forum?

Opinions are good, but trolling about one thing incessantly like you're doing is quite another.  Just look at the poll results so far and you'll see that the majority do not want anything to be done to TC.  You can either be graceful and accept that, or you can continue to troll the forums with your incessant whining about something that isn't a problem for most people.

How about you doing the right thing, and taking the door on this issue...  and let everyone else enjoy/play the game?  Instead of feeling like you have to crusade and burn down TC?  You've stated your opinion enough already, its time to let it rest.

How can I let everyone else game when they nerf all the weapons that are OP in the hands of an infiltrator but are quite balanced when used by other classes? What you just wrote is pure nonsense. If all these OP infys didn't impact me in any way I wouldn't care what they do.

[neteng101]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

How can I let everyone else game when they nerf all the weapons that are OP in the hands of an infiltrator but are quite balanced when used by other classes? What you just wrote is pure nonsense. If all these OP infys didn't impact me in any way I wouldn't care what they do.

They could have re-classified the Krysae just as easily.

And yes - its all about you isn't it?  So you're mostly upset they nerfed the Krysae?  What else has gotten nerfed that affects other classes?  Nerf all the weapons?  Exaggeration much?

Look at what you just said.  Cause its pure nonsense.  Lots of weapons have been buffed, and they aren't even useful to infiltrators!

If you can't play/enjoy the game because the Krysae (one weapon) got nerfed (not by much even), then you really should just quit.

[Ikilledkillab]

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

How can I let everyone else game when they nerf all the weapons that are OP in the hands of an infiltrator but are quite balanced when used by other classes? What you just wrote is pure nonsense. If all these OP infys didn't impact me in any way I wouldn't care what they do.

They could have re-classified the Krysae just as easily.

And yes - its all about you isn't it?  So you're mostly upset they nerfed the Krysae?  What else has gotten nerfed that affects other classes?  Nerf all the weapons?  Exaggeration much?

Look at what you just said.  Cause its pure nonsense.  Lots of weapons have been buffed, and they aren't even useful to infiltrators!

If you can't play/enjoy the game because the Krysae (one weapon) got nerfed (not by much even), then you really should just quit.

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

[nasteerus]

fix the characters not the weapons. I hate to see that what people think they need to finish gold is a geth infiltrator. there will always be a popular character, but just make the difference gap a little smaller. that's all I wish to see get done. if a nerf for a class is needed then let's get it over with. there wasn't much whining about the biotics or the cooldown of stasis. why not the TC.or is it that your game would be harder if the TC was gimped hmm? the easiest character to use and be successful. I wonder...

[H0VANAK]

OP is mad that he can't aim a sniper rifle. To busy making nerf threads instead of practicing.

[neteng101]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

See now you're being truthful with us.  You don't want real balance - you're just not so happy when others are killing more than you are.  Its a co-op game...  but nothing stopping people who can't play nice with teammates, from going solo.  Can't see why anyone would want to play with selfish me-me-me type teammates, regardless of whatever class they might play.

Bottom line, you want to nerf another class, just so you can feel better at your own playstyle.

So now we have the true story...  it comes out after all.  Btw - I love playing the AJ too (you can even look around in past posts I've made and likely find some references to that)...  but I don't care what my teammates play really, its a team game so it doesn't matter who gets the kill first.

[Tankcommander]

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

See now you're being truthful with us.  You don't want real balance - you're just not so happy when others are killing more than you are.  Its a co-op game...  but nothing stopping people who can't play nice with teammates, from going solo.  Can't see why anyone would want to play with selfish me-me-me type teammates, regardless of whatever class they might play.

Bottom line, you want to nerf another class, just so you can feel better at your own playstyle.

So now we have the true story...  it comes out after all.  Btw - I love playing the AJ too (you can even look around in past posts I've made and likely find some references to that)...  but I don't care what my teammates play really, its a team game so it doesn't matter who gets the kill first.

Yeah...guess he is frustrated his two button spamming doesn't reward quite as highly as the class that requires consistent headshots in order to do well.

[Deviean]

As a (Gold)Infiltrator, i think the OP is a joke. Everyone who actively plays Infiltrators on Gold would tell the same thing. You have to be be smart, quick and skilled to keep yourself and others alive. Double that for GI, because it's a glass cannon. We(Infiltrators) have very limited weapon load possibilities, that "overpowered" 3-seconds reload is only while you're shooting at something. Without this feature the Infiltrator class will be very weak, by the way : On Gold, no matter how much damage you do with your sniper rifle(or any weapon for that matter, with a few exceptions), if your target is shielded - the first shot will take down the shields only(even if just one point left).

Now, OP, try to run around reviving squad-mates and completing objectives, with Widow and something else. And tell me how "overpowered" the TC is. If you are alone, the enemies don't care about TC, they see you regardless.

In short : you don't know what are you talking about. Unless it's "Infiltrator+Krysae", on that we can agree. I never use it myself.

[nasteerus]

Deviean wrote...

As a (Gold)Infiltrator, i think the OP is a joke. Everyone who actively plays Infiltrators on Gold would tell the same thing. You have to be be smart, quick and skilled to keep yourself and others alive. Double that for GI, because it's a glass cannon. We(Infiltrators) have very limited weapon load possibilities, that "overpowered" 3-seconds reload is only while you're shooting at something. Without this feature the Infiltrator class will be very weak, by the way : On Gold, no matter how much damage you do with your sniper rifle(or any weapon for that matter, with a few exceptions), if your target is shielded - the first shot will take down the shields only(even if just one point left).

Now, OP, try to run around reviving squad-mates and completing objectives, with Widow and something else. And tell me how "overpowered" the TC is. If you are alone, the enemies don't care about TC, they see you regardless.

In short : you don't know what are you talking about. Unless it's "Infiltrator+Krysae", on that we can agree. I never use it myself.

Let me get this right. you have to use a single weapon class and do over 200% damage or you would simply just die instantly. one shot one kill maybe, right. what about all the other enimies, is that for the rest of us because if the going gets rough you just vanish and hide somewhere. the objectives? sure you need to get over to them because they can't see you. where is the team in the mean time. covering for you. this class is not made to be a team player. it's the lone wolf right. do you think you can still dominate the game if you didn't get to shoot two rounds and not suffer a longer cooldown, your class would be trash? give me a break.

[Ikilledkillab]

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

See now you're being truthful with us.  You don't want real balance - you're just not so happy when others are killing more than you are.  Its a co-op game...  but nothing stopping people who can't play nice with teammates, from going solo.  Can't see why anyone would want to play with selfish me-me-me type teammates, regardless of whatever class they might play.

Bottom line, you want to nerf another class, just so you can feel better at your own playstyle.

So now we have the true story...  it comes out after all.  Btw - I love playing the AJ too (you can even look around in past posts I've made and likely find some references to that)...  but I don't care what my teammates play really, its a team game so it doesn't matter who gets the kill first.

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.

[robarcool]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

See now you're being truthful with us.  You don't want real balance - you're just not so happy when others are killing more than you are.  Its a co-op game...  but nothing stopping people who can't play nice with teammates, from going solo.  Can't see why anyone would want to play with selfish me-me-me type teammates, regardless of whatever class they might play.

Bottom line, you want to nerf another class, just so you can feel better at your own playstyle.

So now we have the true story...  it comes out after all.  Btw - I love playing the AJ too (you can even look around in past posts I've made and likely find some references to that)...  but I don't care what my teammates play really, its a team game so it doesn't matter who gets the kill first.

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.

Yep. balancing cloak isn't your business either. Bioware won't pay attention lol!

Modifié par robarcool, 14 juin 2012 - 04:39 .

[nasteerus]

@ ikilledkillab

that is about right. the class attracts selfish people who happen to be noobs. not good for a team game. they usually don't use their rockets, never try to pick themselves up and rage if their don't get the top score.

[Malditor]

I've seen wipes caused by many class/race combos, but rarely from an infiltrator. It is usually due to a person playing vanguard or other in your face playstyle.

[neteng101]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.

Uh yes, change the story now.  How does poor players equate to TC being broken?  I think I have an idea what you're gonna say, so before you bother, you're full hot air, you know.

But do continue humoring me if you want to...  it just goes to show everyone else of your trolling to basically nerf something because you don't play it.  This is not anything about balance - its about you wanting to make a class totally bad so no one will bother playing it!

[robarcool]

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.

Uh yes, change the story now.  How does poor players equate to TC being broken?  I think I have an idea what you're gonna say, so before you bother, you're full hot air, you know.

But do continue humoring me if you want to...  it just goes to show everyone else of your trolling to basically nerf something because you don't play it.  This is not anything about balance - its about you wanting to make a class totally bad so no one will bother playing it!

QFT

[nasteerus]

infiltrators only wipe if they don't work with the team. bottom line. having the most kills isn't really helping the team

[kevchy]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

I could care less about the Krysae. The AJ is my go to class 90% of the time and 100% of the time with a Carnifex 10. I go the suicidal double bubble route and that playstyle never gets old. I want better balance from teammates, however.

See now you're being truthful with us.  You don't want real balance - you're just not so happy when others are killing more than you are.  Its a co-op game...  but nothing stopping people who can't play nice with teammates, from going solo.  Can't see why anyone would want to play with selfish me-me-me type teammates, regardless of whatever class they might play.

Bottom line, you want to nerf another class, just so you can feel better at your own playstyle.

So now we have the true story...  it comes out after all.  Btw - I love playing the AJ too (you can even look around in past posts I've made and likely find some references to that)...  but I don't care what my teammates play really, its a team game so it doesn't matter who gets the kill first.

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.

In my experience, it isn't the "noobs" with "infys", as you call them, thatcause wipes in Gold matches. It's the stupid lone wolves, and that can be attributed to any other class.

I've seen and played with infiltrators that prevented a wipe by reviving downed team mates and rushing for objectives and doing them prefectly without any help. If you get a wipe just because of "OP infys that don't know what the heck they are doing", you are doing it wrong, friend. It seems you are overrelying on this class.

[Ikilledkillab]

Deviean wrote...

As a (Gold)Infiltrator, i think the OP is a joke. Everyone who actively plays Infiltrators on Gold would tell the same thing. You have to be be smart, quick and skilled to keep yourself and others alive. Double that for GI, because it's a glass cannon. We(Infiltrators) have very limited weapon load possibilities, that "overpowered" 3-seconds reload is only while you're shooting at something. Without this feature the Infiltrator class will be very weak, by the way : On Gold, no matter how much damage you do with your sniper rifle(or any weapon for that matter, with a few exceptions), if your target is shielded - the first shot will take down the shields only(even if just one point left).

Now, OP, try to run around reviving squad-mates and completing objectives, with Widow and something else. And tell me how "overpowered" the TC is. If you are alone, the enemies don't care about TC, they see you regardless.

In short : you don't know what are you talking about. Unless it's "Infiltrator+Krysae", on that we can agree. I never use it myself.

Not to be mean but if you find infiltrating difficult or requiring of skill you must really really suck at this game. That you are trying to educate me on shield gating delineates this firther. Use a black widow or valiant with a power spammed with your cloak. Sheild gate is a non issue.

Also you infy always claim to be "doing the objectives" lolololol Of the four ojectives (pizza, enemies, hack, pylons) your class excels at one (pylons) and is terrible at one (hack). You going to cloak in the hack so the enemies shoot at your teammates? Nice dude, use them as your decoy.

I can set pylons and revive people just fine without you. Don't flatter yourself. I know how to play good. I don't need invisibility mode to be helpful.

[Deviean]

"Dominate the game" ? Please. As i said, unless it's Krysae. Otherwise i can't see a way to "dominate the game".

[Ikilledkillab]

Deviean wrote...

"Dominate the game" ? Please. As i said, unless it's Krysae. Otherwise i can't see a way to "dominate the game".

You on ps3? Come watch my justicar play with a GI. The bubble damage donus plus proxy mine damage bonus = lights out. And honestly, 4 GI's or 4 biotics is easy domination of every enemy on every map.

[Malditor]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Deviean wrote...

"Dominate the game" ? Please. As i said, unless it's Krysae. Otherwise i can't see a way to "dominate the game".

You on ps3? Come watch my justicar play with a GI. The bubble damage donus plus proxy mine damage bonus = lights out. And honestly, 4 GI's or 4 biotics is easy domination of every enemy on every map.

2nd fastest gold run I've see was 4 human soldiers... 4 of any class/race played by good players will dominate.

[Ikilledkillab]

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Deviean wrote...

"Dominate the game" ? Please. As i said, unless it's Krysae. Otherwise i can't see a way to "dominate the game".

You on ps3? Come watch my justicar play with a GI. The bubble damage donus plus proxy mine damage bonus = lights out. And honestly, 4 GI's or 4 biotics is easy domination of every enemy on every map.

2nd fastest gold run I've see was 4 human soldiers... 4 of any class/race played by good players will dominate.

ARush is beastly if used right.