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Deviean wrote...

"Dominate the game" ? Please. As i said, unless it's Krysae. Otherwise i can't see a way to "dominate the game".


why then use a BW or a widow? now what happens to people who live in the lens of a scope? WIPE. if you like camping and are annyoed of having to TC to get across the map or to leave, then you are not the player I want in a squad.

are you telling me that you can't use one of the easiest class in the game correctly. aww

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As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


Ooooo burn!!!

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


Thanks for chipping in!!!!

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


I have plenty of friends but these games take 20-30 minutes, people are on at different times, find other games, etc. Private matches aren't always easy to set up though my list is pretty full lately.

But generally I agree that gaming is about having fun. Every multiplayer game will attract players of all levels to it. Whether its team deathmatch or pure CO-OP you have to deal with that and you should never take the game too seriously to where it bothers you. I agree with you 100% but at the same time, one has to say, do you think there is a  problem expecting decent balance out of a game you paid money for? Isn't that why Mr. Fagnan posts his weekly multiplayer balance updates? I don't mind playing with less skilled players. In fact, the bronze/silver/gold distinction helps sift that a bit. Its the OP infiltrating class that hurts the game's balance though. It brings poorer players to higher levels where they don't belong. I don't blame them for that. Its the developers fault for a lack of balance.

I have every right to complain about that lack of balance though I will say overall I am very satisfied by ME3 and got my money worth out of the game (inclusing the $100 out of pocket I spent on packs).

Still, that class being so OP and 75% of RRG matches leading to FBWGG does hurt the multiplayer experience for many of us.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


Well said.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


Thank you :-)

This is a community and others want to have fun with multiplayer as well.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!


Thank God this is just an opinion.

Sorry Tommy, but I disagree wholeheartedly.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!

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Thanks Thomas for the constructive post, now let's let this thread and OP troll die.

Modifié par Tankcommander, 14 juin 2012 - 05:14 .


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BoomDynamite wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Obviosuly it won't be. ME3 doesn't cater to skilled players. They want to keep casual gamers like yourself happy. But we can at least make them rethink things before the next game roles out.

Modifié par Ikilledkillab, 14 juin 2012 - 05:16 .


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Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

So it's oficial. No one cares what OP says about infiltrators!:lol:

Modifié par robarcool, 14 juin 2012 - 05:16 .


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Ikilledkillab wrote...

Not to be mean but if you find infiltrating difficult or requiring of skill you must really really suck at this game. That you are trying to educate me on shield gating delineates this firther. Use a black widow or valiant with a power spammed with your cloak. Sheild gate is a non issue.


Not to be mean, but you are outclassed and out skilled by people and it hurts your little ego. Unless you're "THE ONE" in this game, so outscoring infiltrator clearly must be "overpowered".

But you're not.

About "Black Widow" blah-blah-blah, that's the point : you have to be skilled, you have to land headshots with every shot due to shields. Jealous ? Deal with it.

You going to cloak in the hack so the enemies shoot at your teammates? Nice dude, use them as your decoy.


Complete hacking in a minute(exaggerated), the team stays entrenched. Profit. Way better than running around on Gold. Try to switch from Bronze.

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Ikilledkillab wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Obviosuly it won't be. ME3 doesn't cater to skilled players. They want to keep casual gamers like yourself happy. But we can at least make them rethink things before the next game roles out.

Who said I was a casual gamer?

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Tell me again how farming in FBWGG is for skilled players.

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robarcool wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

So it's oficial. No one cares what OP says about infilteators!:lol:


There are only 30 threads right now about nerfing infiltrators. Are you blind? Lots of people have come out of the woodwork. The rest have probably given up on this game due to this issue. I've actually been playing more MW3 and Black Ops lately. The DLC was disappointing.

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BoomDynamite wrote...

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Out of all the things I've seen Thomas do and say that he does for the company, "Balance Changes" isn't one of them. And he's only one member of a whole team. Eric Fagnan's response to a thread, from last night, could have been taken as basically saying TC would be nerfed- and he's actually somebody that we know deals with Balance Changes.

As much as I respect the staff, and Thomas in particular, I disagree with his opinion.

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BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Obviosuly it won't be. ME3 doesn't cater to skilled players. They want to keep casual gamers like yourself happy. But we can at least make them rethink things before the next game roles out.

Who said I was a casual gamer?


Obvsious from your comments, the least of which is you running to defend an obviously OP class at every turn. If you were any good you wouldn't be claiming this class isn't OP. That is a fact.

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Deviean wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Not to be mean but if you find infiltrating difficult or requiring of skill you must really really suck at this game. That you are trying to educate me on shield gating delineates this firther. Use a black widow or valiant with a power spammed with your cloak. Sheild gate is a non issue.


Not to be mean, but you are outclassed and out skilled by people and it hurts your little ego. Unless you're "THE ONE" in this game, so outscoring infiltrator clearly must be "overpowered".

But you're not.

About "Black Widow" blah-blah-blah, that's the point : you have to be skilled, you have to land headshots with every shot due to shields. Jealous ? Deal with it.

You going to cloak in the hack so the enemies shoot at your teammates? Nice dude, use them as your decoy.


Complete hacking in a minute(exaggerated), the team stays entrenched. Profit. Way better than running around on Gold. Try to switch from Bronze.


Thanks.

Now please guys, let's let this die. Ikilledlab has been doing this for a month or two now, we're just feeding him. He won't listen or agree, he just wants to slam a class to help with his ego problems.

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Ikilledkillab wrote...

robarcool wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

So it's oficial. No one cares what OP says about infilteators!:lol:


There are only 30 threads right now about nerfing infiltrators. Are you blind? Lots of people have come out of the woodwork. The rest have probably given up on this game due to this issue. I've actually been playing more MW3 and Black Ops lately. The DLC was disappointing.

Go on, call me more names if that's what satisfies your ego! :lol:

Modifié par robarcool, 14 juin 2012 - 05:20 .


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InfamousResult wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Out of all the things I've seen Thomas do and say that he does for the company, "Balance Changes" isn't one of them. And he's only one member of a whole team. Eric Fagnan's response to a thread, from last night, could have been taken as basically saying TC would be nerfed- and he's actually somebody that we know deals with Balance Changes.

As much as I respect the staff, and Thomas in particular, I disagree with his opinion.


I don't think he really commented on that issue anyway. He was more responding to what I wrote. Probably watching me anyways or someone reported me. I've received a one day vacation a number of times. I don't think he was really sharing input on whther the class is OP or not. He was commenting on users having fun.

But at any rate, do you have a link to the thread by Eric? I'd love to see it.

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robarcool wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

robarcool wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

So it's oficial. No one cares what OP says about infilteators!:lol:


There are only 30 threads right now about nerfing infiltrators. Are you blind? Lots of people have come out of the woodwork. The rest have probably given up on this game due to this issue. I've actually been playing more MW3 and Black Ops lately. The DLC was disappointing.

Go on, call me more names if that's what satisfies your ego! :lol:


Who called you a name? I asked if you are blind because this is obviously a VERY hot topic on the forum right now.

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Tankcommander wrote...

Deviean wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Not to be mean but if you find infiltrating difficult or requiring of skill you must really really suck at this game. That you are trying to educate me on shield gating delineates this firther. Use a black widow or valiant with a power spammed with your cloak. Sheild gate is a non issue.


Not to be mean, but you are outclassed and out skilled by people and it hurts your little ego. Unless you're "THE ONE" in this game, so outscoring infiltrator clearly must be "overpowered".

But you're not.

About "Black Widow" blah-blah-blah, that's the point : you have to be skilled, you have to land headshots with every shot due to shields. Jealous ? Deal with it.

You going to cloak in the hack so the enemies shoot at your teammates? Nice dude, use them as your decoy.


Complete hacking in a minute(exaggerated), the team stays entrenched. Profit. Way better than running around on Gold. Try to switch from Bronze.


Thanks.

Now please guys, let's let this die. Ikilledlab has been doing this for a month or two now, we're just feeding him. He won't listen or agree, he just wants to slam a class to help with his ego problems.


I know, but his comments and replies are always very entertaining.

I don't think me and the others can help it, sorry :D

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Ikilledkillab wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

As stated multiple tmes and by others in here....the OP infy class attracts poor players. Its the infys that cause wipes on gold the majority of my pub matches in RRG games.

It attacts noobs/silver level players into gold, when they aen't gold ready yet. That is the problem. Other than that I could care less how much/little fun you have or how fast/slow you obtain your credits. Its none of my business.


To me, this isn't a problem; If they're having fun then they're having fun. As mentioned you don't care about others enjoying their experience so I  recommend you make some friends and create private games to get the full experience out of the multiplayer experience!

That's basically saying TC won't be nerfed. YES!


Obviosuly it won't be. ME3 doesn't cater to skilled players. They want to keep casual gamers like yourself happy. But we can at least make them rethink things before the next game roles out.

Who said I was a casual gamer?


Obvsious from your comments, the least of which is you running to defend an obviously OP class at every turn. If you were any good you wouldn't be claiming this class isn't OP. That is a fact.

A full team of Biotics is VASTLY better than a full team of Infiltrators. I've played the game enough to know that. I play the Infiltrator class because I like stealth. Biotic Detonations are too easy to play all of the time for my liking. Also, my favorite class right now is the Soldier, mainly because they have so many ways to spec them. I don't always defend Infiltrators. Oh, and btw, you calling TC OP is an opinion, not a fact.

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This is how I propose the nerf occurs....

In light of all the recent threads on this, it is quite clear that a huge number of ME3 multiplayer recognize the OP nature of infiltrators and want them nerfed for better game balance. Here is the easiest way to do it....


1) Damage bonus in tree 4 is 20% (any weapon)
2) Damage bonus in tree 6 is 20% (any weapon)
3) If Cooldown doesn't scale with weapon weight add 1 second to it. CD is 4 seconds instead of 3.

Now you might say the damage bonus doesn't impact shotgun infiltrators since they get the same 40% as before but in reality it does. If you are using a shotty there was never any reason to put points in anything higher than tree 4 in tactical cloak which allows you to save 11 points for other powers. Now you have to go to level 6 to get the full bonus.

This is the best thing to do as it doesn't over-nerf the class, it just leads to better balance.