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[Ikilledkillab]

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Fact: Tactical cloak is broken:

Evidence 1: Reload glitch. You don't have to reload the weapon, you start a reload and cloak and it cancels the reload but your weapon is reloaded.

I have never witnessed this, I have however witnessed, on several ocasions, a glitch where I cloak and am still visible to enemies. None the less a glitch is not a reason to nerf a class, it is a reason to fix said glitch

It works on all classes but it doesn't matter for 90% of the weapons and all the characters except the infiltrator and to a lesser extent soldier. Halfway through a reload fire off a power. The reload animation stops and your gun is reloaded. That is the glitch. When combined with everything else on infys its OP with a black widow and a 300% damage bonus or whatever they get.

Not gonna bother replying to the rest as other people have effectively handled that, but the reload "glitch" isn't a glitch and you refuse to listen to anybody that says it. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. Open your eyes and read. Bioware has stated it's not a glitch, it's a feature. There's nothing to fix and it won't be fixed because, again, it's not a glitch.

You obviously aren't paying attention. Whether you call it a "glith" or not is irrelevant, With all the other tactical loak glitches it makes the class OP. Not only do you have 300/% damage, weight is irrelevant to your cooldown and you can instantly reload and fire off some of the strongest weapons in the game with 300% damage increases. All these factors lead to the infys being very OP. That is the point. I could care less whether you or BW refers to it as a glitch. That is semantics and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT BEING MADE.

Maybe you can discuss the facts presented instead of attacking straw man arguments? Does it make you feel smart to refute arguments no one is actually making? If not, why do you and others keep repeating this?

[The Milky Waver]

Reloading can be cancelled with ANY power by the way. Hunter mode was nerfed for the GI, so that dampens the damage bonus a bit. That weapon and power damage is all the infiltrator has besides a few side powers. Without TC, infiltrators are offensively useless. 

Modifié par The Milky Waver, 15 juin 2012 - 07:20 .

[NCRZombie]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Fact: Tactical cloak is broken:

Evidence 1: Reload glitch. You don't have to reload the weapon, you start a reload and cloak and it cancels the reload but your weapon is reloaded.

I have never witnessed this, I have however witnessed, on several ocasions, a glitch where I cloak and am still visible to enemies. None the less a glitch is not a reason to nerf a class, it is a reason to fix said glitch

It works on all classes but it doesn't matter for 90% of the weapons and all the characters except the infiltrator and to a lesser extent soldier. Halfway through a reload fire off a power. The reload animation stops and your gun is reloaded. That is the glitch. When combined with everything else on infys its OP with a black widow and a 300% damage bonus or whatever they get.

Not gonna bother replying to the rest as other people have effectively handled that, but the reload "glitch" isn't a glitch and you refuse to listen to anybody that says it. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. Open your eyes and read. Bioware has stated it's not a glitch, it's a feature. There's nothing to fix and it won't be fixed because, again, it's not a glitch.

You obviously aren't paying attention. Whether you call it a "glith" or not is irrelevant, With all the other tactical loak glitches it makes the class OP. Not only do you have 300/% damage, weight is irrelevant to your cooldown and you can instantly reload and fire off some of the strongest weapons in the game with 300% damage increases. All these factors lead to the infys being very OP. That is the point. I could care less whether you or BW refers to it as a glitch. That is semantics and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT BEING MADE.

Maybe you can discuss the facts presented instead of attacking straw man arguments? Does it make you feel smart to refute arguments no one is actually making? If not, why do you and others keep repeating this?

Are you just completely incapable of handling an argument without resorting to insulting other people's intelligence?

I'd honestly be glad to debate points with you, but the fact that you have to resort to petty insults makes it challenging to take much of anything you say seriously. It's not based on whether or not you have solid proof at that point, but rather why should I spend the time to read a message and respond when you feel it necessary to respond with such a vulgar attitude?

Riddle me this; when a person comes into this thread insulting you and calling you out on something do you ever respond to it? Not that I've taken note of, so please refrain from doing it to others.

[DeathIsHere]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Fact: Tactical cloak is broken:

Evidence 1: Reload glitch. You don't have to reload the weapon, you start a reload and cloak and it cancels the reload but your weapon is reloaded.

I have never witnessed this, I have however witnessed, on several ocasions, a glitch where I cloak and am still visible to enemies. None the less a glitch is not a reason to nerf a class, it is a reason to fix said glitch

It works on all classes but it doesn't matter for 90% of the weapons and all the characters except the infiltrator and to a lesser extent soldier. Halfway through a reload fire off a power. The reload animation stops and your gun is reloaded. That is the glitch. When combined with everything else on infys its OP with a black widow and a 300% damage bonus or whatever they get.

Not gonna bother replying to the rest as other people have effectively handled that, but the reload "glitch" isn't a glitch and you refuse to listen to anybody that says it. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. It's not a glitch. Open your eyes and read. Bioware has stated it's not a glitch, it's a feature. There's nothing to fix and it won't be fixed because, again, it's not a glitch.

You obviously aren't paying attention. Whether you call it a "glith" or not is irrelevant, With all the other tactical loak glitches it makes the class OP. Not only do you have 300/% damage, weight is irrelevant to your cooldown and you can instantly reload and fire off some of the strongest weapons in the game with 300% damage increases. All these factors lead to the infys being very OP. That is the point. I could care less whether you or BW refers to it as a glitch. That is semantics and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT BEING MADE.

Maybe you can discuss the facts presented instead of attacking straw man arguments? Does it make you feel smart to refute arguments no one is actually making? If not, why do you and others keep repeating this?

So, pretty much what you're saying is "I'm gonna call it a glitch regardless of what BW has said because I think it's OP, hmph. What does BW know anyway, huh?" Seriously, get over yourself. Asking me if it makes me feel smart? Does it make you feel smart to go spewing this crap to anybody that'll listen? You're a troll and nothing more. You won't listen to any real points anybody makes to you, you somehow twist it into "NERF INFILTRATORS OH MY GOD NERF THEM" with every single post you make. Maybe people would actually listen to you and your points if you didn't make them in the absolutely most annoying way possible.

Anyway, just to make this more productive (as opposed to just calling you out on your trolling, which needed to be done) you don't get an instant reload. You still have to do half the animation. Not only that, but every class can do it. Not just infiltrators. So how exactly do you suggest it get "fixed"? What should be done? Because the only way to "fix" it is to remove it, and that presents gameplay problems that are more worrying than your crying over Infiltrators being OP. You know, like being stuck in a reload animation when you suddenly need to do something else (take cover, combat roll, fire a power) which could then lead to you getting killed. Anything to nerf those infiltrators, huh?

[Ikilledkillab]

Half an animation is a glitch whether BW calls it one or not. Are the lot of you that dense? If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck OBVIOUSLY.

[Ikilledkillab]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Reloading can be cancelled with ANY power by the way. Hunter mode was nerfed for the GI, so that dampens the damage bonus a bit. That weapon and power damage is all the infiltrator has besides a few side powers. Without TC, infiltrators are offensively useless. 

Energy drain is useless? Sabotage is useless? Proxy mine, one of the top 3 powers in the game is useless? Hunter mode is useless? 

you don't know how to play if you consider these useless.

ill give you cry oblast being garbage but that is it.

[Ikilledkillab]

And I already responded to the All classES CAN RELOAD GLITCH ten times. Read the responses before you reiterate nonsense already dealt with...and in the very response before yours. How embarrassing.

[Geek]

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

[Mystical_Gaming]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

This is how I propose the nerf occurs....

In light of all the recent threads on this, it is quite clear that a huge number of ME3 multiplayer recognize the OP nature of infiltrators and want them nerfed for better game balance. Here is the easiest way to do it....

I see nothing of the sort, I see the same people repeatedly saying it, not a huge number of people.

I agree with Malditor. I'm curious where you're pulling these numbers Ikilledkillab? How many ME3MP players do you think post on these forums (Not read because you mentioned "recent threads on this")? How many people do you think actually play ME3MP daily? Dare I say your math has... holes

Mommy says: If you have nothing nice to say about others, don't say anything at all. This applies to BSN as well. Warning.

I agree, I hope infiltrators don't get nerfed becasue a group of people don't like them. I say use whatever is fun and private lobbies can fix a lot of the issues where you don't want others using a certain class or w/e.

As for public, if someone is using a setup they have every right to =)

[Ikilledkillab]

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

[Fox-snipe]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Half an animation is a glitch whether BW calls it one or not. Are the lot of you that dense? If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck OBVIOUSLY.

This isn't 1984.  You can't change the history books & facts just because you disagree with them.

I don't even see why you care.  By the time you get a shot fired off and reload-cancel the Cloak damage bonus will have already expired.

"Quit while you're ahead" comes to mind.

Modifié par Fox-snipe, 16 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[BoomDynamite]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's also devastating with any other class. Headshots are always great with the Claymore.

[Malditor]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

[Ikilledkillab]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's also devastating with any other class. Headshots are always great with the Claymore.

It works good but it's not as OP WHEN each shot gets 300 %  extra damage.

[Ikilledkillab]

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

Imalready noted that Tc and ar make it OP. IT'S FINE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

[JGDD]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Half an animation is a glitch whether BW calls it one or not. Are the lot of you that dense? If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck OBVIOUSLY.

I think this post from a year or so ago clearly states it is not a glitch:  click here so you don't continue to look so dense.

The last sentence is important so read it slowly and let it sink in.

[Geek]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's also devastating with any other class. Headshots are always great with the Claymore.

This. Check out the drellguard solo video.

I've beaten gold with every character in the game. While I think the infiltrator is top tier, I think the gap is really pretty small. Plenty of characters can keep up or outshine an infiltrator in the right hands.

[Malditor]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

Imalready noted that Tc and ar make it OP. IT'S FINE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Saying it's a glitch, but is only a problem with 2 activated powers? Why is it ok for any other class to be able to cancel the animation? Oh, I forgot, because these 2 classes are supposed to be stronger with weapons so they are... that's right.

[Ikilledkillab]

Still a glitch even if done purposefully.

[Malditor]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Still a glitch even if done purposefully.

BW " It's not a glitch, it's a feature"
OP "BW is wrong, I don't care if they are the developer and decide what is a glitch and what isn't."

[BoomDynamite]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Still a glitch even if done purposefully.

Bioware has said it's a FEATURE.

[robarcool]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Reloading can be cancelled with ANY power by the way. Hunter mode was nerfed for the GI, so that dampens the damage bonus a bit. That weapon and power damage is all the infiltrator has besides a few side powers. Without TC, infiltrators are offensively useless. 

Energy drain is useless? Sabotage is useless? Proxy mine, one of the top 3 powers in the game is useless? Hunter mode is useless? 

you don't know how to play if you consider these useless.

ill give you cry oblast being garbage but that is it.

Hahaha. Your 'argument' is hilarious at best. I could say that without reave, is the AJ useless? Afterall, the bubble can provide protection, pull can dislodge unprotected enemies. Lol, you aren't even making sane arguments dude.

[BoomDynamite]

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

Imalready noted that Tc and ar make it OP. IT'S FINE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Marksman?

[robarcool]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

Imalready noted that Tc and ar make it OP. IT'S FINE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Marksman?

Lol, OPs 'arguments' are turning on themselves. Now he has to iinclude marksman in the op power list too.

[BoomDynamite]

robarcool wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Ikilledkillab wrote...

rymoulton wrote...

Reload canceling is not a glitch. It is a game mechanic put in on purpose.

Irele snt

Irelevant. As noted ten times, when combined with the cloak it produces an OP class. Most weapons and classes it's irrelevant on.

It's actually much more effective while in AR... 

Imalready noted that Tc and ar make it OP. IT'S FINE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Marksman?

Lol, OPs 'arguments' are turning on themselves. Now he has to iinclude marksman in the op power list too.

I've also had my life saved more than once by reload canceling a Claymore. Especially as my Kroguard.