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[The Milky Waver]

Weapon damage is all the infiltrator has, and maybe a few side powers here and there that are usefull in some situations, but other than that, ZIP. Without that extra weapon damage, infiltrators' only uses would be to revive undetected, and to cap objectives undetected, and would have much less offensive strength, so please, don't nerf the tactical cloak.

Modifié par The Milky Waver, 04 juin 2012 - 06:35 .

[Hypertion]

why i only suggested droping the duration of the damage bonus rather than dropping the total damage bonus but meh

the Solider class was intended as the pure combat. never infiltrator..

but these things never go as intended.

[InfamousResult]

The Milky Waver wrote...

 infiltrators' only uses would be to revive undetected, and to cap objectives undetected,

+ Escaping boxed-in areas to get a better vantage point.

So.. Tactical uses of a Cloak that no other class can use?
HMM HOW USELESS THIS ABILITY SOUNDS.

[Methew]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Weapon damage is all the infiltrator has, and maybe a few side powers here and there that are usefull in some situations, but other than that, ZIP. Without that extra weapon damage, infiltrators' only uses would be to revive undetected, and to cap objectives undetected, and would have much less offensive strength, so please, don't nerf the tactical cloak.

Yah know, they could just lock out the damage bonus to the first thing that you do that breaks Cloak.

If you fire a power, the damage bonus is only for powers. If you fire your weapon, youre damage bonus is only for your weapon.

[Shampoohorn]

Weapon bonus.
Sniper rifle bonus.
Power damage bonus.
Power cooldown bonus.
Invisibility.
Boy please don't take my weapon damage.

[Evo_9]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Weapon damage is all the infiltrator has, and maybe a few side powers here and there that are usefull in some situations, but other than that, ZIP. Without that extra weapon damage, infiltrators' only uses would be to revive undetected, and to cap objectives undetected, and would have much less offensive strength, so please, don't nerf the tactical cloak.

I actually prefer AI hacking

[Adhok42]

STOP TRYING TO KILL MY QUARIAN INFILTRATOR YOU RACIST BOSH'TETS!

Seriously, the damage bonus to cloak shooting is the only reason my FQI even has a chance against Reapers. Without it she's nothing more then Reaper bait.

You people want equality? Then don't suggest things that prevent her from being effective. *walks off grumbling about how humans are all racist.*

[Methew]

Seriously, the damage bonus to cloak shooting is the only reason my FQI even has a chance against Reapers.

Que?

Play her like SI: Cloak, Sabotage, shoot.

The shot either strips or damages shields. Then Sabotage detonates, killing the target.

Against Geth you have to change tactics, targeting the trash, Sabotaging and one shotting it to turn them into walking grenades.

[DarkerCompanion]

Adhok42 wrote...

STOP TRYING TO KILL MY QUARIAN INFILTRATOR YOU RACIST BOSH'TETS!

Seriously, the damage bonus to cloak shooting is the only reason my FQI even has a chance against Reapers. Without it she's nothing more then Reaper bait.

You people want equality? Then don't suggest things that prevent her from being effective. *walks off grumbling about how humans are all racist.*

I'd be the first to defend the poor female Quarians. *points to sig* But that is an issue regarding her discrimination, rather than her role as an Infiltrator. The only thing that she and the much oppressed Human Infiltrator have going for them IS their status as Infiltrators, and nothing more. This is often why Quarian buffs are dismissed outright, "because no Infiltrator is a bad class". What a short sighted view. It was never that they were distinctly bad, but that they were comparitively bad when considered against other Infiltrators.

The reality is that balancing the Infiltrator class will leave the Human and Quarian in a position where it is much more obvious that they are as underpowered as they truly are, which could actually result in a BUFF for the two classes. But as it is, hiding under the mother's apron of Tactical Cloak, their weakness will never be acknowledged. This may be the only way for the downtrodden Quarian to one day regain her position as an equal member of the multiplayer society.

[Hex Code]

InfamousResult wrote...


+ Escaping boxed-in areas to get a better vantage point.

So.. Tactical uses of a Cloak that no other class can use?
HMM HOW USELESS THIS ABILITY SOUNDS.

If the damage bonus, from running tactical cloak was reduced or taken away completely I wouldn't give the infiltrator another look.  So what if I could run around the map freely.  The fun comes from being able to run around, for the most part freely, and devestate an individual target with fire power.  

[Immortal Strife]

Nerf herders who want TC changed must like Asari Adepts carrying Black Widows in their lobbies.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 04 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[cuzIMgood]

Is this thread serious?

[Tangster]

Have to agree, I wouldn't even look at an infiltrator class if it didn't have the damage bonuses.

[Wolfsbladex]

I didn't realize how sorry people felt about the Infiltrator class. Infiltrators will not be nerfed, but balanced. Easiest way to attain that will be to hard cap cloak Dmg at 50%. Then take the rank 6 Sniper dmg (now +90% Dmg) ensures you you're an Infiltrator and not a Weapons master (Soldier).

[paperbook]

Tactical Cloak gives you more protection than Tech Armor.
It has not 90% or 130% damage bonus,
it has not cooldown boost (but has cooldown penalty) and still playable.

[Immortal Strife]

Tangster wrote...

Have to agree, I wouldn't even look at an infiltrator class if it didn't have the damage bonuses.

Why would you? Nobody wants to be religated to team medic and objective capper.

"Sweet I can go invisable, wait why are my guns hardly doing any damage, crap, my powers are not doing any damage either, I guess I'll just run around, hide, and let my team kill everything." 

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 04 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[tetsutsuru]

This thread is rife with myopic perspectives, ignorance, and misdirected and unwarranted hate.

For f***'s sake, the Infiltrator is YOU and/or YOUR TEAMMATE and NOT an enemy unit. Infiltrator Tactical Cloak, and everything about it at this time is just fine AND is NOT overpowered. Leave it alone.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 04 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[Adhok42]

Methew wrote...
Then Sabotage detonates, killing the target.

Sabotage only detonates when the target affected by it shoots. Ravangers are strangely immune to this meaning the only two targets the Reapers have I can effectively sabotage is the Cannabal and the Maurader. Sticky Grenades aren plentaful enough for me to use them all the time. Half the Reapers don't have disconcerable heads or are immune to headshots meaning I don't get that bonus damage.

Female Quarians just weren't built to take on Reapers. I have no problems against the Geth or Cerberus.

[humes spork]

The Milky Waver wrote...

...Without that extra weapon damage, infiltrators' only uses would be to revive undetected, and to cap objectives undetected...

God forbid infiltrators have to work with their team in a team game and use their cloak for things other than "roflstompbadgais". As it is, "merely" the ability to revive, cap, and reposition undetected is overwhelmingly useful to a smart player who's working with their team opposed to lone wolfing like some kind of confused CoD reject.

And hey, if TC eats a nerf, (some) sniper rifle(s') base damage can go up instead of hitting a balance-ceiling wrought by ridiculous infiltrator damage bonuses. That way, everyone benefits rather than almost an entire class of weapons being suboptimal but for a handful of classes with square peg-round hole builds.

Modifié par humes spork, 04 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[paperbook]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Tangster wrote...

Have to agree, I wouldn't even look at an infiltrator class if it didn't have the damage bonuses.

Why would you? Nobody wants to be religated to team medic and objective capper.

"Sweet I can go invisable, wait why are my guns hardly doing any damage, crap, my powers are not doing any damage either, I guess I'll just run around, hide, and let my team kill everything." 

My AJA and GE are speced for defence and healing. And I am OK with it.

Modifié par paperbook, 04 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[humes spork]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

As a Infiltrator I do all that. I also would like my guns to do more damage than a water gun.

As an infiltrator, your guns of choice already do a hell of a lot more damage "than a water gun" well before the cloak bonuses.

[Sovereign24]

Nothing gives me the lols quite like infiltrator fans trying to say that TC doesn't need to be balanced.

Look I love playing Infiltrator. But as it stands, it really is easy mode.

Balancing it would still leave it as an elite class.