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[Landon7001]

Kaidan does mention ash twice, once while in the hospital saying how he and shepard shared ashs death together and once aboard the normandy i believe

....i really liked kaidans dialouge about the illusive man and his first convo w u on the normandy after the coup {A first normandy convo was sorely missing for ash} but ya know what?? I still will choose Ash!! Ash is my LI and all time favorite character! so yeeeahhhhh

one more note on kaidan-why the **** is kaidan suddenly gay? i didnt care for that personally. we already have cortez. Jacob still trumps kaidan as well.

[EricHVela]

Playing through ME3 with Ash: Dunno if it's actually less dialog, but I cannot shake the feeling that there is less dialog for her. It might just be a perception thing where it just seems like there's less dialog for her, but perception is more important than actual measurements (which is why video and audio compression can work for us and also is the difference between a graphic artist and a good graphic artist).

Also, the garbled recordings on Prologue Earth seem to me like they're Kaidan's voice rather than hers. I, first, thought it was a mix between them, but listening to her in comparison, it doesn't sound like she's part of the recordings there.

[Tiberis]

Landon7001 wrote...
one more note on kaidan-why the **** is kaidan suddenly gay? i didnt care for that personally. we already have cortez. Jacob still trumps kaidan as well.

Let's beat the dead horse with that stick some more, yeah?

In the words of a certain STG soldier on Sur'Kesh. We've already been down that road. No more.

[alyxor]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Playing through ME3 with Ash: Dunno if it's actually less dialog, but I cannot shake the feeling that there is less dialog for her. It might just be a perception thing where it just seems like there's less dialog for her, but perception is more important than actual measurements (which is why video and audio compression can work for us and also is the difference between a graphic artist and a good graphic artist).

Also, the garbled recordings on Prologue Earth seem to me like they're Kaidan's voice rather than hers. I, first, thought it was a mix between them, but listening to her in comparison, it doesn't sound like she's part of the recordings there.

In the first game, Ash never hesitated to give you an opinion, so long as you asked. With that in mind, it seems like she has nothing to say in this game at all. Also, when my dudeshep met her on Horizon in ME2, I consider the meeting to have gone rather well, basically, "whatever it is you're doing, Skipper, come find me when you're done with Cerberus"- So much so, that I actually had my renegade Shepard stay loyal to her rather than banging everyone he met. It made how little she had to talk about kind of disappointing. (Or, for some, very disappointing.) At the very least, one would figure she would have an entire dissertation on why Udina sucks as soon as she hops onto the Normandy.

You had to goad Kaidan into talking, so it would have made more sense for him to be a bit more quiet by comparison.

These things said, it did make me smile when I found her tanked, mostly passed out in her room on the ship.

[MegaBadExample]

alyxor wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Playing through ME3 with Ash: Dunno if it's actually less dialog, but I cannot shake the feeling that there is less dialog for her. It might just be a perception thing where it just seems like there's less dialog for her, but perception is more important than actual measurements (which is why video and audio compression can work for us and also is the difference between a graphic artist and a good graphic artist).

Also, the garbled recordings on Prologue Earth seem to me like they're Kaidan's voice rather than hers. I, first, thought it was a mix between them, but listening to her in comparison, it doesn't sound like she's part of the recordings there.

In the first game, Ash never hesitated to give you an opinion, so long as you asked. With that in mind, it seems like she has nothing to say in this game at all. Also, when my dudeshep met her on Horizon in ME2, I consider the meeting to have gone rather well, basically, "whatever it is you're doing, Skipper, come find me when you're done with Cerberus"- So much so, that I actually had my renegade Shepard stay loyal to her rather than banging everyone he met. It made how little she had to talk about kind of disappointing. (Or, for some, very disappointing.) At the very least, one would figure she would have an entire dissertation on why Udina sucks as soon as she hops onto the Normandy.

You had to goad Kaidan into talking, so it would have made more sense for him to be a bit more quiet by comparison.

These things said, it did make me smile when I found her tanked, mostly passed out in her room on the ship.

Well said. I agree.

[iHorizons]

LOTS OF SPECULATIONS FROM EVERYONE!!!!

[Whitelion1284]

I, for one, am extremely aggravated with the handling of Ashley. I've played the game through repeatedly with several different characters and after he reappears on the Normandy Kaidan is present. He appears in different parts of the ship, interacts with other characters and when he's triggered there are lengthy ... what was it called "Zaeed-style" dialogues in which he actually has something to say.

Ashley, on the other hand, who was awesome in ME1, very opinionated and outspoken, and the 'true love' my one male shep waited for throughout ME2 ... does nothing but say "good to see you," then get drunk and eventually jump in the sack. She's completely absent and an utter disappointment. Now, on top of that, I find out there is all this sound content that was not only recorded and even advertised but doesn't appear in the game?! WTF?!

Ok /rant.

Modifié par Whitelion1284, 10 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[CptData]

Whitelion: some of us believe / hope / think most of the missing content simply got dummied out by a dialogue bug that also harms Gabby and Kenneth. Remember? You can't bring both together if you NOT recruit Ashley. Means. If you kill her / don't accept her on the Normandy again / have Kaidan instead of her, the romance-option for Gabby/Kenneth don't get triggered.

I think that very same bug harms Ashley's dialogues too.

And I hope it gets fixed with the EC DLC.
Otherwise ... well, we all know Garrus' face and Ashley's bugged line in ME1 never got fixed *fail*

Modifié par CptData, 10 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[Sil]

I noticed the lack of dialogue too, which made me quite annoyed due to having kept my Shepard loyal to her, mostly due to her character which I thought was great, and also alittle bit because there was supposed to be a payoff for doing so.

Makes me wonder whether it is possible to mod them back into the game.

[Whitelion1284]

CptData, I didn't even know there was a romance option for Gabby-Kenneth. I do hope it gets fixed, though. In comparison with Kaidan, who moves about the ship, engages other characters and has plenty of non-wheel dialogue, Ash just seems like a cardboard cutout with less personality than the Shepard VI.

btw .. what's this DLC you mention?

[Alpha 1 Omega]

only thing ash is good at in my game was getting drunk and passing out on the floor of the room she's in.. lol

Modifié par Alpha 1 Omega, 11 juin 2012 - 06:20 .

[MegaBadExample]

Whitelion1284 wrote...

CptData, I didn't even know there was a romance option for Gabby-Kenneth. I do hope it gets fixed, though. In comparison with Kaidan, who moves about the ship, engages other characters and has plenty of non-wheel dialogue, Ash just seems like a cardboard cutout with less personality than the Shepard VI.

btw .. what's this DLC you mention?

I also think there's a bug that prevents some of her dialogue. The engineering dialogue won't trigger in ME3 if you're in a ME1 relationship with Ashley. That's a bug, and I don't have any hope that BW will fix it.

In case any of you are interested in reading a cut conversation between Shep & Ash, I'll leave this here: www.holdtheline.com/threads/me3-deleted-scene-ashley-asks-shepard-about-death-experience.2089/

[Iecerint]

Whoa, that's a GREAT scene. O.O

Why on earth would they cut that?

[MegaBadExample]

Iecerint wrote...

Whoa, that's a GREAT scene. O.O

Why on earth would they cut that?

Probably because most people wouldn't agree with it.

Would have made a great scene, IMO. I hate that everybody just basically ignores that Shepard came back from the dead.

[Iecerint]

They could've just added a dialogue wheel. "I don't know" for Paragon and "No" for Renegade, or whatever.

[MegaBadExample]

Iecerint wrote...

They could've just added a dialogue wheel. "I don't know" for Paragon and "No" for Renegade, or whatever.

It's still kind of a religious topic. Shepard is basically saying that there was no 'afterlife' for him. If that was included people would likely rage over the heads of it. "No after life!? OMG there is, there is!" and so on.

It should have been in the game, Ashley badly needed another conversation on the Normandy.  =/

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[KingWrex]

MegaBadExample wrote...

It's still kind of a religious topic. Shepard is basically saying that there was no 'afterlife' for him. If that was included people would likely rage over the heads of it. "No after life!? OMG there is, there is!" and so on.

It should have been in the game, Ashley badly needed another conversation on the Normandy.  =/

Agree with you on that but they could add dialogue to say something like "I don't remember anything but that doesn't mean that there's nothing after death" or something along those lines I hate to see a great scene like that be cut because Bioware was scared to go there because it religion or something

[Whitelion1284]

MegaBad, thanks. That IS an awesome scene. He's not saying there's no afterlife, he's saying he doesn't remember. I can't believe they'd include gay sex and leave that out for fear of a spiritual debate. None of this makes any damn sense.

[MegaBadExample]

Whitelion1284 wrote...

MegaBad, thanks. That IS an awesome scene. He's not saying there's no afterlife, he's saying he doesn't remember. I can't believe they'd include gay sex and leave that out for fear of a spiritual debate. None of this makes any damn sense.

I don’t get it. In DA, most characters believe in the Maker (or other gods) and your soul gets trapped in the fade, and whatever. But in ME, Shepard saying he doesn't know about an afterlife, is wrong? I don't see it as a big deal, but I get the feeling it was cut because it's religious in a way. It is unfortunate that this got cut. I always wanted Shepard to talk about his experience with someone.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[CptData]

Well, DA is a purely fictional universe while ME pretends to be one possible future of our reality.

So if someone in a fictional world believes in God, he or she doesn't believe in the same God like Christians, Jews or Moslems.

In ME there's a high chance they're talking about religions we know. Also not everyone is playing a religious Shepard (like me, for example). So it could be a touchy topic for numerous people. However, I can't see any reason why that scene got removed. It got either bugged out (my hope - since it can be fixed) or it got cut (and needs to be reintroduced later).

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

Well, DA is a purely fictional universe while ME pretends to be one possible future of our reality.

So if someone in a fictional world believes in God, he or she doesn't believe in the same God like Christians, Jews or Moslems.

In ME there's a high chance they're talking about religions we know. Also not everyone is playing a religious Shepard (like me, for example). So it could be a touchy topic for numerous people. However, I can't see any reason why that scene got removed. It got either bugged out (my hope - since it can be fixed) or it got cut (and needs to be reintroduced later).

Ha, yeah. Bioware fix major Ashley bugs? Yeah, right.

There's tons of Ash bugs. It's annoying. The game was rushed and it shows, maybe that's why the conversation got the snip.

[CptData]

Give ME3!development another year, and most of that rush-job-feeling is gone. And no one would call it "artistic integrity" or something when it comes to bad endings - since there aren't any.

What'ya think - how high are the chances we would have seen the original dark-energy-plot in the end if BW had enough time to finish ME3? No half-arsed endings like "we created synthetics to kill organics to organics don't get killed by synthetics" mindf*ck

[CroGamer002]

^None really.


Cause Bioware really goes with policy that everything they make with Mass Effect is stand alone.

[CptData]

Well, BW officials have to defend their product. They also can't bash EA for anything - could you do it? Could you bash the one with the gun pointing at your head while he's feeding you?

It doesn't matter what BW devs may thing. Official word counts only ^^

[CroGamer002]

^Where did EA bashing came from my post?


I was criticizing Bioware for deciding to make every Mass Effect product it's own thing.
I mean, every single ME product feels incredibly disconnected from each other.

That policy Bioware made, not EA.
And even Patrick Weekes is with that policy, from my impression.


And that's why ME is failing, due to that policy.


Also for not thinking ahead and lack of ambition.
I mean, it's obvious they just created this universe and make up stuff as they went.

And they did said more then once they didn't think this would work, so they didn't made any effort past the current work. Until they see the response.


So despite many Bioware claims they were very ambitious with ME trilogy, they're only succeded to fool us and themselves.


So that's one of the reasons why there's a unequal content for squadmates.
That's why many plot elements were dropped and forgotten.

Lack of ambitious and poor choices on Bioware.

Not EA, Bioware.