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[shadow7warlord]

So, no Dragon Age III at E3 confirmed or bluff in order to make an unexpected announcement?
Personally, on one side i just can't wait to see what Bioware has done so far but on the other one i want them to take their time...

[Jerrybnsn]

If DA 3 doesn't get mentioned at all during E3 than that'll be disappointng.....and concerning....What if EA is thinking about scraping the Dragon Age series because of DA2's poor performance?!! I won't buy another EA product again until I can be assured that DA3 is in production and is moving on schedule.

[Firky]

nightscrawl wrote...

Firky wrote...

I wonder if they'll settle into a consistent cycle in the future, like a game every 3 years or something. I think long running games series' are really interesting.

I'm hoping that with DA3 they can settle on a consistent way to do things that most (not everyone of course) players will like, and then (unless they change engines for next gen consoles or something) they can stick with it and fine tune for 2+ games after that, focusing more heavily on the story rather than game mechanics that have already been developed. That should keep us and them busy for the next decade or so.

There must be a sweet spot for balancing innovation with not reinventing the wheel, but I'm struggling to think of long running, big budget series' that don't change stuff. There always seems to be a tipping point, at least; like Heroes of Might and Magic went a bit far with the changed mechanics for many fans with 4, and "came back" with 5. Ultima 8 lost the party (and me). SimCity Societies. I thought that was great. If it had been called SimCity V, however ... Still, I'm thinking of series' that "grew up with technology" or something. Maybe *radical* innovation will be less important in the future? I don't know.

I liked DA2 slightly more than Origins overall, myself, but I would also have been happy with something much closer to Origins. Maybe as pushing tech gets prohibitively expensive to fully push every boundary, or if higher production = need more audience (which I'm not sure is always the case), finding a niche and sticking with it might be a future trend, even in AAA? (Maybe. I was reading Warren Spector say somewhere, recently, that he expects "AAA" games budgets to go $200-300M soon. That freaks me out. Maybe they are there already. I have no idea.)

(PS. @ David Gaider For the record, I'm still camping out on the forums waiting for hardcore references to Baldur's Gate characters but they've been very thin on the ground, lately. *shakes fist* )

Modifié par Firky, 05 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[ajbry]

In the wake of E3, one thing that will be hard to rationalize is another markedly substandard showing in terms of graphics. That's not to say that I actually had any issue with how Origins and DA2 looked -- graphics aren't why we play Dragon Age, anyway. However, there are so many great-looking games out there, and DA is a franchise that is not open world. All of the set pieces and environments are constructed for a precise time and use. I'd love to see a fusion of the Origins realism and the improved detail and contrast of DA2.

... And, please, let's not repeat the static objects in DA2. Origins had moving grass and swaying trees. Nothing moved in DA2, save for the small lamps.

[Ponendus]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Sigh.

I meant that companies which go to places like E3 to make announcements don't send out a list of what those announcements will be to random websites ahead of those announcements.

They will, however, make announcements at something like-- oh, I don't know-- a press conference at a major convention. And maybe put up news about the announcement on their website (and, indeed, any website) after the fact.

Which I didn't think was hard to understand, but evidently some people have trouble with this sort of thing.

I like you when you're frustrated.

You remind me of me.

Lol.

[AkiKishi]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

If DA 3 doesn't get mentioned at all during E3 than that'll be disappointng.....and concerning....What if EA is thinking about scraping the Dragon Age series because of DA2's poor performance?!! I won't buy another EA product again until I can be assured that DA3 is in production and is moving on schedule.

Possible.

But what exactly would they show ? 

[Yrkoon]

^ When Bioware was discussing Dragon Age's future  last year, they promised  "the most realistic beards ever".

Maybe, show that.

...Unless they haven't actually done them yet, in which case, why make  such  specifically demonstrative promises?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 06 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[DragonAgeLegend]

David Gaider wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm not usually the most demanding of fans, but in case no one's noticed, morale's getting pretty low around here. Fans are turning on each other. The reason people misinterpreted you Mr. Gaider, is that people are so eager for news that they're pouncing on every scrap they can and dissecting the crap out of it.

I realize there's probably not much to show yet, and we do want you guys to take your time and make the best product possible - we're just dying for some news. Add to that that we can see from your BSN posts that you guys are getting more and more aggravated with us and it makes for a pretty disheartening situation.

Hey, I get it. You want more information. But if you're camping on the forums hoping we'll announce something before we're ready to, and getting upset when it doesn't come fast enough, you're only creating grief for yourself. If you guys are also going to leap on me saying something as simple as "companies don't send out details of their announcements to websites before they make them" and interpret that as somehow aggressive... well, don't be surprised if I get aggravated and come around less.

There was a time before DAO was properly announced when forumites got short-tempered and demanding, as well. Nothing I can say will convince you guys not to hang around looking for info on something you're obviously really interested in. But the information will come when it comes-- getting short with the developers is not going to make it come faster.

By the looks of things I don't think we will be hearing anything new soon, oh well gotta find a new forum to hang around for a while. 

[Jerrybnsn]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

If DA 3 doesn't get mentioned at all during E3 than that'll be disappointng.....and concerning....What if EA is thinking about scraping the Dragon Age series because of DA2's poor performance?!! I won't buy another EA product again until I can be assured that DA3 is in production and is moving on schedule.

Possible.

But what exactly would they show ? 

How about a flying dragon splatting up against the screen?  Then the words Dragon Age?  Then the phrase "This game has not yet been rated?

[David Gaider]

You left out the beginning of you're statement, "Do people really think...?" As if to say "How could people be so stupid?"

Which is why I asked, "Why so snide?" Meaning why are you being so snide to the people in this specific thread who are just expressing their excitement for the DA franchise. Most of which were not making any demands, so don't try to say it's about how we're being so damn demanding and want something from the devs, because that wasn't it. But honestly I didn't think that was hard to understand, but apparently you have trouble with this sort of thing.

But I will drop this now. We all make mistakes, and fortunately I don't have to like you in order to enjoy your writing.

This is an excellent example of why PR people use the blandest, most neutral text possible whenever they address the public.

[joshko]

PurebredCorn wrote...


But I will drop this now. We all make mistakes, and fortunately I don't have to like you in order to enjoy your writing.

Wow, maybe show a little appreciation for the writting in stead of insulting him.
Way to encourage the devs of a game you are supposedly looking forward to.

[Apollo Starflare]

IIRC neither DA2 nor ME3 were announced at E3, why so certain DA3 would be? E3 gets overhyped, there are many more occasions in a year when a company may announce a new title. Particularly a sequel. And announcing a game is NEVER as simple as simply stating it exists and walking off, certainly not for a big 'blockbuster' games franchise.

I could see it being unveiled either just before or during Gamescom, personally. But it all depends on how far along they are with it. Considering 90% of the fanbase screamed at them for rushing DA2, it seems a bit odd to get annoyed at them for taking their time when they have made a point of telling us a new DA game is coming, and even giving us insight into the development process for it.

[joshko]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

IIRC neither DA2 nor ME3 were announced at E3, why so certain DA3 would be? E3 gets overhyped, there are many more occasions in a year when a company may announce a new title. Particularly a sequel. And announcing a game is NEVER as simple as simply stating it exists and walking off, certainly not for a big 'blockbuster' games franchise.

I could see it being unveiled either just before or during Gamescom, personally. But it all depends on how far along they are with it. Considering 90% of the fanbase screamed at them for rushing DA2, it seems a bit odd to get annoyed at them for taking their time when they have made a point of telling us a new DA game is coming, and even giving us insight into the development process for it.

It is imperative that games come out soon, but are not rushed.

[Maugrim]

joshko wrote...

It is imperative that games come out soon, but are not rushed.

Good old triangle of expectations.  I'd be willing to pay for fast and good though most people would be too cheap to do so.

[astreqwerty]

PurebredCorn wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If you guys are also going to leap on me saying something as simple as "companies don't send out details of their announcements to websites before they make them" and interpret that as somehow aggressive... well, don't be surprised if I get aggravated and come around less.

You left out the beginning of you're statement, "Do people really think...?" As if to say "How could people be so stupid?"

Which is why I asked, "Why so snide?" Meaning why are you being so snide to the people in this specific thread who are just expressing their excitement for the DA franchise. Most of which were not making any demands, so don't try to say it's about how we're being so damn demanding and want something from the devs, because that wasn't it. But honestly I didn't think that was hard to understand, but apparently you have trouble with this sort of thing.

But I will drop this now. We all make mistakes, and fortunately I don't have to like you in order to enjoy your writing.

R
Are you having a  moment?

[Unknown_Warrior]

makenzieshepard wrote...

joshko wrote...

It is imperative that games come out soon, but are not rushed.

Good old triangle of expectations.  I'd be willing to pay for fast and good though most people would be too cheap to do so.

That triangle implies that any game these days come out cheap. $50-60 is the norm and I haven't seen any company bold enough to release at a lower cost (except indie devs on steam).

It's more like: pick one.

[Dakota Strider]

Quick and Good cannot go together. As for Cheap, you generally get what you pay for. But price is generally a relative term. I can buy an excellent computer Role Playing game for less than it takes me to fill my vehicle up with gas.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 06 juin 2012 - 10:38 .

[LolaLei]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Quick and Good cannot go together. As for Cheap, you generally get what you pay for. But price is generally a relative turn. I can buy an excellent computer Role Playing game for less than it takes me to fill my vehicle up with gas.

Agreed.

[Jerrybnsn]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Considering 90% of the fanbase screamed at them for rushing DA2, it seems a bit odd to get annoyed at them for taking their time when they have made a point of telling us a new DA game is coming, and even giving us insight into the development process for it.

90% of the fanbase screamed at them for making a less than Bioware quality game.  Being rushed was the excuse being floated around as to the reason why. 

And why not after 15 months they don't have any news on the third game?  Origns had a three year developement time table and was held up for almost another year due to implementing it to consols and wanting to release them with the PC version.  Within that 12 months they began working on DA2, so in retrospect, DA2 had close to a two year developement time.

So it does seem odd that there isn't any news about DA3.  Because they are almost half way through the developement time that it took to make Origins.  The end of August will make it the half-way mark.  Maybe there'll be an announcement then.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 06 juin 2012 - 11:27 .

[Yrkoon]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Quick and Good cannot go together. .

They can, and they have.

Baldur's Gate 2's development time was just as quick as DA2's  (ie. less than 2 years), and it was good.  The Best.

[Dakota Strider]

Yrkoon wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

Quick and Good cannot go together. .

They can, and they have.

Baldur's Gate 2's development time was just as quick as DA2's  (ie. less than 2 years), and it was good.  The Best.

Some differences though.  BG2 was made with the same game engine and same game mechanics of BG.  All they had to do was implement the story, and record some voices.   And the story for BG2 was probably already written, or at least they had a very thorough outline, by the time BG was completed.  They did not try to reinvent the wheel in between games, and they did not have to do any of the time and resource eating features like cinematics that take up so much zots in modern games.

DA2 tried to change too much from DAO, and thus 2 years was not enough time for them to do all they wanted.  Having to have voice actors for every line of dialogue in the game, ate up an enormous amount of time and money.  And with the amount of dissatisfaction with different aspects of DA2, like the combat, and the small scale of the world, repeated maps etc, the DA team needs more time to change things up again, and make the epic game that they failed to deliver with DA2.  So the longer they can wait to announce plans, the better off they are.   Making it quickly in this era, unless you are able to duplicate everything you did in a previous game.

[gwenhilde]

http://twitter.com/d...400739149877251

Just read this on twitter.Wonder who his reffering to.?

[Yrkoon]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

Quick and Good cannot go together. .

They can, and they have.

Baldur's Gate 2's development time was just as quick as DA2's  (ie. less than 2 years), and it was good.  The Best.

Some differences though.  BG2 was made with the same game engine and same game mechanics of BG. 

Are you claiming that by contrast, DA2 uses a different engine and different game mechanics than DA:O?

And of course there are massive differences -   I can add a hundred more  reasons to your list of why BG2 succeeded in being *great*  inspite of  a short development time while DA2  failed.  But we weren't discussing "whys".  We were debating whether or not a  good game can be made quick.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 07 juin 2012 - 03:26 .