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[zapphoman24]

Wow you really do want a flame war. So I'm done feeding the troll. I suggest everybody else do the same.

[Terrorize69]

Arlionis had no intention of anything other then starting a flame war. He/she has ignored all logical comments and just added more flamebait. He/she is completely blind to reason, blinded by her hate of a fictional character who he/she apparently would seem to be greatly jealous over and bitter for whatever reason. A hypocrite to the core.

[TrulyInnovative]

I wish this forum software had the "ignore thread" feature.

[Ticonderoga117]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I was going to post something else, but this is BRILLIANT!

To OP: Then since you don't think Tali is a good character, you probably think Liara "My planet just got ruined and to hell with all the others" (and) "Must kill the Shadow Broker! No Liara, you are the Shadow Broker!" , Miranda "My father did it! He's designed me you know?", Anderson "I was born in London.", Hackett "We can't win this!", Joker "I'm suddenly dating a sexbot", and EDI "I became a sexbot" are also horrible characters. No? Well then be quiet and stop posting flamebait. Bai!

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 04 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[Terrorize69]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
and EDI "I became a sexbot"

I just died laughing, reminds me of the fembots from Austin Powers.

[CroGamer002]

Can this old flame war die already?

[Ponei]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ponei wrote...

 Arlionis your porfie picture is ugly 

You know, I didn't want to comment in this thread, but after this ^ ?

How you dare to insult Shiala? And you're using pic of phoTalishop?

My pic is <3Perfect<3 and that green aberration is 

[Shajar]

Same troll made thread where she/he was angry that Tali is squad member instead of Jack? Lots of hate in single person

[D24O]

The discussion seems to have run its course.
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[Arlionis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis had no intention of anything other then starting a flame war. He/she has ignored all logical comments and just added more flamebait. He/she is completely blind to reason, blinded by her hate of a fictional character who he/she apparently would seem to be greatly jealous over and bitter for whatever reason. A hypocrite to the core.

No, and repeating it one hundred times will not make it true, unlike you I back every claim I make with argumentation. You just scream "trolling" as if that amounted to something or magically fixed the Tali character train-wreck. 
Again, comparing Miranda's "daddy issues" to Tali's actual and true daddy issues is ridiculous. Miranda is a grown woman with a clear mind and goals, Tali is a hurt girl jumping at the first paternal figure she sees, be it Shepard or Garrus. 

[Ticonderoga117]

^ They both have daddy issues. Just because you think Miranda's doesn't exist doesn't make it true.

[Terrorize69]

Arlionis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis had no intention of anything other then starting a flame war. He/she has ignored all logical comments and just added more flamebait. He/she is completely blind to reason, blinded by her hate of a fictional character who he/she apparently would seem to be greatly jealous over and bitter for whatever reason. A hypocrite to the core.

No, and repeating it one hundred times will not make it true, unlike you I back every claim I make with argumentation. You just scream "trolling" as if that amounted to something or magically fixed the Tali character train-wreck. 
Again, comparing Miranda's "daddy issues" to Tali's actual and true daddy issues is ridiculous. Miranda is a grown woman with a clear mind and goals, Tali is a hurt girl jumping at the first paternal figure she sees, be it Shepard or Garrus. 

Haha good one, ok but jokes aside now.

You've still yet to make a valid point on your view in the entire thread without resorting to flaming Tali and her fanbase, and decided to ignore all valid posts, for the simple reason that, you didn;t start this thread to debate and share views. Just to spew your bitter hate.

[agu123]

- CTRL-F "Liara"

First result after less than 5 posts. Impressive.

[Grimez7]

so much hate in this thread. BSN needs moar luv

[Arlionis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis had no intention of anything other then starting a flame war. He/she has ignored all logical comments and just added more flamebait. He/she is completely blind to reason, blinded by her hate of a fictional character who he/she apparently would seem to be greatly jealous over and bitter for whatever reason. A hypocrite to the core.

No, and repeating it one hundred times will not make it true, unlike you I back every claim I make with argumentation. You just scream "trolling" as if that amounted to something or magically fixed the Tali character train-wreck. 
Again, comparing Miranda's "daddy issues" to Tali's actual and true daddy issues is ridiculous. Miranda is a grown woman with a clear mind and goals, Tali is a hurt girl jumping at the first paternal figure she sees, be it Shepard or Garrus. 

Haha good one, ok but jokes aside now.

You've still yet to make a valid point on your view in the entire thread without resorting to flaming Tali and her fanbase, and decided to ignore all valid posts, for the simple reason that, you didn;t start this thread to debate and share views. Just to spew your bitter hate.

I already made a lot of valid points, only that you don't like them. To summarize: 

- Her inherent lack of logical progression: she goes from talking codex entry, to creepy romance option, to somehow becoming a strong political figure for her species holding one of the highest political positions in the Flotilla. Nonsense.

 - I personally find her boring, you may like a character that exist solely to fulfill the "prodigious teenager" role but I don't. 

- She's a racist, I don't like racists. Even worse, her racism cannot even be used as a plot point because she's written too erratic. She hates the Geth, then she becomes close to Legion, the she hates the Geth again, etc. 

- Her personality is dull, she's always following someone and her daddy issues are way too cliché.

Modifié par Arlionis, 04 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Arlionis wrote...
I already made a lot of valid points, only that you don't like them. To summarize: 

- Her inherent lack of logical progression: she goes from talking codex entry, to creepy romance option, to somehow becoming a strong political figure for her species holding one of the highest political positions in the Flotilla. Nonsense.

 - I personally find her boring, you may like character that are there to fulfill the "prodigious teenager" role but I don't. 

- She's a racist, I don't like racists. Even worse, her racism cannot even be used as a plot point because she's written too erratically. She hates the Geth, then she becomes close to Legion, the she hates the Geth again, etc. 

- Her personality is dull, she's always following someone and her daddy issues are way too cliché.

Let's see. Points 2 and 4 are the same, yay you.
Liara has illogical progression to. Archeaologist to Information Broker to Shadow Broker to... Useless Shadow Broker.
Miranda is dull as rocks. "To hell with anyone else but my sister and my daddy genetically engineered me. Did you know that yet? Oh, and I wanted to put a control chip in you."
Miranda is also racist. She works for Cerberus. That has the added bonus of making her stupid as well.

So could you please stop posting flamebait and just deal with it.

[Arlionis]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
I already made a lot of valid points, only that you don't like them. To summarize: 

- Her inherent lack of logical progression: she goes from talking codex entry, to creepy romance option, to somehow becoming a strong political figure for her species holding one of the highest political positions in the Flotilla. Nonsense.

 - I personally find her boring, you may like character that are there to fulfill the "prodigious teenager" role but I don't. 

- She's a racist, I don't like racists. Even worse, her racism cannot even be used as a plot point because she's written too erratically. She hates the Geth, then she becomes close to Legion, the she hates the Geth again, etc. 

- Her personality is dull, she's always following someone and her daddy issues are way too cliché.

Let's see. Points 2 and 4 are the same, yay you.
Liara has illogical progression to. Archeaologist to Information Broker to Shadow Broker to... Useless Shadow Broker.
Miranda is dull as rocks. "To hell with anyone else but my sister and my daddy genetically engineered me. Did you know that yet? Oh, and I wanted to put a control chip in you."
Miranda is also racist. She works for Cerberus. That has the added bonus of making her stupid as well.

So could you please stop posting flamebait and just deal with it.

They are not the same, a character can be boring and not dull at the same time. Zaeed is an example, he's a bit boring, but he isn't dull at all. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 04 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Arlionis wrote...
They are not the same, a character can be boring and not be dull. Zaeed is an example, he's a bit boring, but he isn't dull at all.

The english language says otherwise.

However, going by that, others can still fullfil both. So they don't count. It's all personal opinion.

[Foxhound2121]

Tali was never meant to be a romance option. Now, the same people want a Vega romance.

[Arlionis]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
They are not the same, a character can be boring and not be dull. Zaeed is an example, he's a bit boring, but he isn't dull at all.

The english language says otherwise.

Zaeed was a victim of his non-interactive long dialogues, that made him "boring", but that didn't take away my interest for him, hence, not dull. 

However, going by that, others can still fullfil both. So they don't count. It's all personal opinion.  

Indeed, and apparently according to you personal opinions are valid discussion points when they're about bashing character you don't like (like in your previous post to this one) and "flamebait" when they're against a character you like. Kinda contradictory.

Modifié par Arlionis, 04 juin 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Arlionis wrote...
Indeed, and apparently according to you personal opinions are valid discussion points when they're about bashing character you don't like (like in your previous post to this one) and "flamebait" when they're against a character you like. Kinda contradictory.

No, I was stating my opinion. Is Tali perfect? No. Is anyone perfect, no and thank goodness for that. I like Zaeed. James actually grew on me. Jacob I didn't mind either.

But do I make threads baiting Liara-mancers, Jack-mancers, etc etc? Hell no. Why? Because to each thier own. I may have a problem with one but I don't make threads bashing them and then going "No, you're wrong and I'm right. Oh, those issues don't exist for this character I like."

Get real and relax.

[ENorman94]

Despite her presence on the squad feeling somewhat contrived, she is not forced. After the whole Rannoch story line, you NEVER have to talk to her (unlike that blue abomination of a character). In ME2 you didnt even have to recruit her.

And sure I dont like her, but at least I can recognize she's well written and I can understand her "little sister" appeal even though that type of character is not my thing.

Point is, is that liking her is purely subjective as it is with every character. You are given her story and interact with her and it's up to you to decide whether you like her or not. And all you can do is say why you dont like or dont like her.

Ps. this makes more sense in my head

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I agree. Frankly, Tali's own fans should too. Her character arc shows little, if any, progression. In ME3 she's the helpless little girl she always is, even as she's been put in a position to grow out of that (as an Admiral) and even with other people telling her she should believe in herself. It just doesn't happen. It's disappointing.

I have nothing against Tali, really. I like her, but she's just not much of a character, which is sad because she did have potential as one.

[legbamel]

Arlionis wrote...
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- She's a racist, I don't like racists. Even worse, her racism cannot even be used as a plot point because she's written too erratic. She hates the Geth, then she becomes close to Legion, the she hates the Geth again, etc.

Have you considered that she might not be feeling to great about the Geth because they're currently slaughtering the Quarians?  Sure, the suit-people started it but I imagine it's hard to feel real positive about a bunch of AIs in the midst of wiping out your entire race even if you do understand that they're only defending themselves.

I'm with you on the "Admiral Tali" being nonsense but I hardly think her dislike for the Geth at the beginning of ME3 was illogical or erratic, any more than her beginning hatred of the race that forced the Quarians, their fault though it may have been, into a nomadic lifestyle.

Tali gets a fair number of hard truths shoved down her young throat through the games' events.  Do I love her? No, nor do I hate her.  But I certainly don't think your contentions are accurate or fair to her writers.

[Ticonderoga117]

legbamel wrote...
Have you considered that she might not be feeling to great about the Geth because they're currently slaughtering the Quarians?  Sure, the suit-people started it but I imagine it's hard to feel real positive about a bunch of AIs in the midst of wiping out your entire race even if you do understand that they're only defending themselves.

Don't forget she wasn't gunning for invasion either. She just didn't call the admiralty board out on it because division at a time like this she thought would be extremely bad or something like that.