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[Aurora313]

What confuses me is that it's completely possible to save Wrex on Virmire - Hell, you don't even have to try to do it. You don't need a high persuasion, just play your cards right in the start of the dialogue. Yet when someone fails to convince Wrex, Ashley can save you by shooting him in the back - SAVING YOU from a 1000+ Year old Krogan Battlemaster who fought the Rachni wars - but only if you select the option for her to do so.

Shepard says before the confrontation 'Be Ready, Just in case.'. S/He is ordering her to watch their back.

So why are people hating on Ash for saving Shepard's face from being reduced to mincemeat and for player's own negligence for letting the situation happen in the first place?

Another point for Ashley in general? Why do most people mistake her pragmatism and spiritual outlook for racism and fanatism? She isn't claiming aliens are evil, just that they'll always consider their own races first. Which is justified in Mass Effect 3 where people refuse to help you until their own boarders are secured. She is not trying to browbeat the player into religious view points. She even asks Shepard if he's uncomfortable with her beliefs and is completely fine with any answer you give her and won't bring it up again.

The unnessecary flames against her just confuse me.

Modifié par Aurora313, 04 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[MegaBadExample]

I believe Shepard actually orders Ashley to, "Be ready... just in case." So even he's preparing for the worst. Virmire is a trust test for Wrex. If Shepard can't get Wrex to stand down, then that's his fault, not Ashley's. Ashley is only following orders.

Just throwing that in.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 04 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[Arlionis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I believe Shepard actually orders Ashley to, "Be ready... just in case." So even he's preparing for the worst. Virmire is a trust test for Wrex. If Shepard can't get Wrex to stand down, then that's his fault, not Ashley's. Ashley is only following orders.

Just throwing that in.

Indeed, Ashley usually gets all the blame for shooting Wrex when Shepard implicitly ordered her to be ready before going to talk with him. 

[L. Han]

Save Wrex. Please.

[Aurora313]

Rickets wrote...


Save Wrex. Please.

Saving Wrex is astonishingly easy. You have to actively be negligent to get him killed...

Modifié par Aurora313, 04 juin 2012 - 01:48 .

[Apathy1989]

Well a few things.

1) You can tell Ash not to worry about it, and not order Ash to shoot. She will still shoot Wrex in that moment. Saving your life, but from the players perspective he was trying to resolve the situation peacefully. If you don't do Wrex's loyalty mission, or do Virmire very early on, then its very easy to lose Wrex (as indeed I did first time).

2) I agree its strange people see Ash as a racist. She is pragmatic. If you run into Terra Nova, she will make her feelings on racists clear.

3) Also I find it comical that atheists are so sensitive to Ash mentioning shes religious. Perhaps they were interested in her until that point, and immediately lost interest from that conversation. Says more about them than Ash though.

[Shajar]

You can also tell her that Wrex is gonna be okay, and if she shoots him then you can yell at him and nuke that biatch ;-)

But my Wrex and Ash survive virmire always

[MegaBadExample]

*sigh*

You see guys? This is what I mean...

[BP93]

Aurora313 wrote...

Rickets wrote...


Save Wrex. Please.

Saving Wrex is astonishingly easy. You have to actively be negligent to get him killed...

Too bad most people don't seem to understand that. It's entirely your fault if Wrex gets killed.

[Beep Il]

1. Ashley shoots Wrex without approval.
2. Ashley gets nuked. Revenge!
--
3. Kaidan lives. +1
4.Mordin lives. +100000000000
5.Win!

[Skullheart]

Ashley xenophobia was well founded. She was right with the dog and bear analogy, just that in this case the man is the council (aliens), the dog is humaity and the reapers are the bear.

[Apathy1989]

Skullheart wrote...

Ashley xenophobia was well founded. She was right with the dog and bear analogy, just that in this case the man is the council (aliens), the dog is humaity and the reapers are the bear.

Yep in ME3 she could call herself a prophet, haha.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Because people are stupid. They don't realize that Shepard is not convincing Wrex at all (because Shepard didn't use PERSUADE blue/red dialogue options) and Ash is the only reason that scene doesn't end with a Critical Mission Failure.

And then they'd complain that the game forces them to take the renegade option and make you kill Wrex yourself, if that were the way it went.

[PMC65]

Character hate is simply pot meeting kettle. The same players that do not get why their character is being unjustly hated is so many times the same players that run happily to the thread of another character to bash on them. How many Ash fans are quick to fill Liara/Tali hate threads with unfair bashing?

Every character that does not betray Shepard for the reapers should be respected from Ashley to Wrex. Each has their flaws and strengths ... players have favorites but why in the process must they bash other characters just to show how cool their characters are? Amazing!

[Han Shot First]

Fans on the BSN are prone to overreaction. So when those same fans don't like characters they tend to exaggerate character traits that they don't like. Ashley making one or two references to an afterlife suddenly makes her a bible-thumping fundamentalist, and a few comments where she states that she doesn't fully trust humanity's alien allies makes her an awful racist. Of course neither of those things are true to anyone who actually paid attention to the game. Sadly many fans do not.

PMC65 wrote...

Character hate is simply pot meeting kettle. The same players that do not get why their character is being unjustly hated is so many times the same players that run happily to the thread of another character to bash on them. How many Ash fans are quick to fill Liara/Tali hate threads with unfair bashing?

Every character that does not betray Shepard for the reapers should be respected from Ashley to Wrex. Each has their flaws and strengths ... players have favorites but why in the process must they bash other characters just to show how cool their characters are? Amazing!

This.

[Grimez7]

Apathy1989 wrote...

3) Also I find it comical that atheists are so sensitive to Ash mentioning shes religious. Perhaps they were interested in her until that point, and immediately lost interest from that conversation. Says more about them than Ash though.

I'm an athiest and that didn't bug me at all. Ashley is still one of my favorite characters in mass effect. Her mentioning a religion once or twice shouldnt turn her into some religious fundamentalist.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

 I got Ashley to shoot Wrex in my last playthrough, it was heaps of fun. I was gonna have Shep do it herself but it wasn't as fun that way. Kaidan's reaction was priceless he was all "oh my god! You killed Kenny Wrex!" while Ashley and Shepard high five. 

People take a lot of what Ashley says out of context. A lot of people quote her saying how if a bear attacked you then you'd sick your dog on him because even though you love your dog it isn't human. But aliens aren't the dog in her analogy, humans are. She's saying that Shepard shouldn't count on the council because they will always choose their own people over humans.

[Spitfire017]

^So true about the bear and dog analogy. In its essence its really a purely political statement, not a statement on race. Have you people not studied or read a damn history book!!! The "bear and dog" having been recurring throughout our history, ever since civilization began to form. Its like saying the USA will always look to their own interest when the chips are down and their security is threatened. It is the definition of classical realism.

[Apathy1989]

Grimez7 wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

3) Also I find it comical that atheists are so sensitive to Ash mentioning shes religious. Perhaps they were interested in her until that point, and immediately lost interest from that conversation. Says more about them than Ash though.

I'm an athiest and that didn't bug me at all. Ashley is still one of my favorite characters in mass effect. Her mentioning a religion once or twice shouldnt turn her into some religious fundamentalist.

Yeah sorry I was referring to some atheists, clearly not you.

I am curious though, the only outspokenly atheist character I've seen in a recent bioware game was Morrigon. Did religious people get angsty about her? I didn't, it fit with her character, but am curious all the same.

[MegaBadExample]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Grimez7 wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

3) Also I find it comical that atheists are so sensitive to Ash mentioning shes religious. Perhaps they were interested in her until that point, and immediately lost interest from that conversation. Says more about them than Ash though.

I'm an athiest and that didn't bug me at all. Ashley is still one of my favorite characters in mass effect. Her mentioning a religion once or twice shouldnt turn her into some religious fundamentalist.

Yeah sorry I was referring to some atheists, clearly not you.

I am curious though, the only outspokenly atheist character I've seen in a recent bioware game was Morrigon. Did religious people get angsty about her? I didn't, it fit with her character, but am curious all the same.

From my knowledge, no. Morrigan seemed to be a very popular character, and still is. Of course there was the odd hater calling her a b*tch, though.

[BP93]

Honestly, as a Christian, it's embarrassing to see those who abuse their faith and try to force it onto others. However, an atheist trying to force their ideals onto those who are religious are equally embarrassing. Nobody is wrong with believing for what they do. I just don't understand why some can't seem to grasp that concept.

People who call Ashley a bible-thumper, racist..etc. are only embarrassing themselves by displaying their ignorance. So I say let them.

[CptData]

Well, I'm an atheist, BP93. I don't care if someone believes in God or not - it's not my business. It kinda becomes my business with those fundamentalists - regardless if those guys are christians, jews, moslems or atheists ...

No one is right and no one is wrong. But it's definitely wrong to believe one is right and everyone else is not.
- fictional comment of Ash ^^

[DirtySHISN0]

Because it is a condemning action to make the character that (subjectively) has race issues kill another species. Anyone else could have done it, which means it was just goof on Biowares part or is more indicative of Ashley's intended nature - she doesn't decline.

I just calls 'em how i see 'em.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 05 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[Apathy1989]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Because it is a condemning action to make the character that (subjectively) has race issues kill another species. Anyone else could have done it, which means it was just goof on Biowares part or is more indicative of Ashley's intended nature - she doesn't decline.

I just calls 'em how i see 'em.

Kaiden is such a softie, I can't see him doing it unless he was romancing femship.

Maybe Garrus could have pulled the trigger instead?

[DirtySHISN0]

All of them could have done it, but most of them would'nt have wanted to.


Also @ PMC65
Thats why i hate all the characters equally.No preferential treatment here.