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[Terrorize69]

As the title states, should ash of been bi in ME3? If one VS LI is open to both sides then shouldnt both be?

Modifié par Terrorize69, 04 juin 2012 - 05:59 .

[TrulyInnovative]

You're using "of" instead of have? Seriously?

[Fox In The Box]

It would have been nice.

[Terrorize69]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

You're using "of" instead of have? Seriously?

I'll take that as a no from you then.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I say yes. It's nice when you have characters that defy the sterotypes. For example, everyone's like "Jack is an obvious candidate for bi/les" and in the end, she's straight. It's even made clear that she's tried both, but she has a preference, and it's not the one that most would expect from someone like her. I like that.

So I think it would have been cool to see bi Ash, I might have 

[DiebytheSword]

We have a compelling coming out story for BroShep and Kaidan, but not the reverse for Femshep and Ashley.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't dissapointed.

Ashley has always been planned then scrapped on this, and they should have just done it. More LI options is (almost) always better, than not having them.

[Hvlukas]

 Yeah, maybe if not Ashley, then someone else in stead. I'd like the game to try to even out the options for men and women.

I wonder if they looked at how many female characters were bi and concluded Ashley was one too many? Even though Ashley was unique in the sense, that she could possibly have been one of the few love interests to see you through the entire series (which is a notion I like).

That I personally dislike Ashley with a passion is an entirely differnt story. 

[Terrorize69]

The way I see it is both VS's should get the same treatment, so should of been only fair Ash was opened up to both, even more so given how few options Femshep actually gets (Which is like 2? From a non-imported save in ME3)

Modifié par Terrorize69, 04 juin 2012 - 06:16 .

[Apathy1989]

I suppose making Kaiden bi was meant to compensate for Liara being a 'bi' female relationship.

That said though, I always support more romances for everyone.

[Ushanka]

No. Can't imagine her bi.

[Padt]

I always thought it was supremely bizarre that they didn't do it. I would have expected to see it in ME3 for the sake of...inclusivity, if nothing else.

[BP93]

No.

Would have been very out-of character for her. Not everyone has to swing both ways, you know. Characters are allowed to be straight.

[AmyMac]

Yes.
But it's just one of many things that was terribly wrong with ME3.

[Sperizer]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 I say yes. It's nice when you have characters that defy the sterotypes. For example, everyone's like "Jack is an obvious candidate for bi/les" and in the end, she's straight. It's even made clear that she's tried both, but she has a preference, and it's not the one that most would expect from someone like her. I like that.

So I think it would have been cool to see bi Ash, I might have 

But the thing is, Ashley wouldn't be defying stereotypes. In ME1, she's the biggest tomboy in citadel space! I played an entire game (without proper knowledge of her character preference) believing my Femshep could seduce the obviously queer chick. Even in ME3, I played 20 hours into it before coming across an article stating that Kaiden was bisexual, but Ashley wasn't. You have no idea how much I hate that. I had a small private breakdown, because I'd invested so much time into her, and turned Liara and Traynor down, for false hope that both Virmire Squadmates would be bisexual. 

So in that, shame on BioWare. Even if they dolled her up to be more feminine in ME3, there are such things as feminine girls into girls. They're called 'femmes'. 

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes. The idea that any character is romanceable if and only if Shepard is male is just plain silly. If you don't agree, look up the meaning of "if and only if".

[Russalka]

Maybe. I can't see how exactly it is out-of-character for her not to be though.

[AmyMac]

Sperizer wrote...
So in that, shame on BioWare. Even if [EA] dolled her up to [appeal to teenage boys because they'e a huge percentage of the gaming community], there are such things as feminine girls into girls. They're called 'femmes'. 

Fixed that for you.

[Grimez7]

No. Having her bi would be really out of character for her.

[dekkerd]

No. Doesn't fit what we know of the character.

[Sperizer]

AmyMac wrote...

Sperizer wrote...
So in that, shame on BioWare. Even if [EA] dolled her up to [appeal to teenage boys because they'e a huge percentage of the gaming community], there are such things as feminine girls into girls. They're called 'femmes'. 

Fixed that for you.

You don't know that it was EA (even though I hate them and would love to blame it on them). Though I agree it pretty much just applies to boys.. because I liked her better when she wasn't Miranda-fied.

At least they didn't give us conversations with her boobs like the ones I had with Miranda's bum.

Modifié par Sperizer, 04 juin 2012 - 08:34 .

[krukow]

... this again. Awesome.

Short answer, no. She's an established character. She's straight. That's part of her character. If they made a ME 4, I wouldn't demand that Traynor be made bi, because that's her character. This whole "everyone should be bi" thing is such a childish understanding of human sexuality.

And just because Kaiden does something doesn't mean Ash should. They're two different characters. Bioware shoehorning them into the same thing is a disservice to both of them.

[Celtic Latino]

The VS (both Ashley AND Kaidan) were planned as bi options from the first game but taken out in favor of just Liara (could you imagine Fox News if graphic scenes were done for Man Shep/Kaidan and FemShep/Ash?). So from that alone, I'd probably say yes.

However, FemShep has FAR more f/f options than ManShep had for m/m. There's Liara, Asari Consort, Kelly Chambers, flirtatious dialogue with Shiala and Samara, Traynor...whereas ManShep didn't get those options until ME3, which included a retcon of a character back to an original concept design and a side character. However, FemShep really got trashed in the realm of heterosexual options (one dies, one dumps her, and the other may not have even lived) while ManShep has his share of available ladies in all three games.

Me personally I couldn't see Ash as bi. Not because of her beliefs, but she really seems to have a strong interest in men and none in women (in fact she really doesn't seem to trust other women in general). It's the same way I felt about the likes of Kaidan and Anders being retconned into 'bi' just for the fans (even if Kaidan was originally planned as bi, he should've been from the start and not until the final game of the trilogy where he decides he likes men), and the implementation of Garrus and Tali as romanceable in general.

I think they really had their options out of balance for ME3 in hopes of pleasing everyone. The continued romances from ME2 alone were...okay at best, Traynor and Allers were mostly fanservice (though Traynor at least was fleshed out and a cool character, Allers not so much), and Vega turned out to be a real tease.

My thing is, if a character is planned to be bisexual, make him or her so from the start. If they are straight, don't retcon them to please the fans. If they are gay, don't make them into straight options either. If they aren't romanceable, don't make them suddenly romanceable, especially when it doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Celtic Latino, 04 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[Padt]

Sperizer wrote...

But the thing is, Ashley wouldn't be defying stereotypes. In ME1, she's the biggest tomboy in citadel space!

I think what people are referring to when they say that making Ash a same-sex romance option would be "defying stereotypes" is that Ashley generally comes across as a fairly conservative person, and she's also the only human character whom we know is devotedly religious. So, assuming Ashley is a Christian (not an unreasonable assumption, given how she speaks about her religious beliefs in ME1) it would be rather notable, I think, if it also turned out that she is a queer person.

(I suddenly wonder if that would've driven any Christian groups to protest, even on top of the controversy that cropped up over the sexual nature of the romance)

[AmyMac]

@Celtic Latino...

...lol the consort and Shiala now count as F/F romances because Shepard can say one or two flirty lines?
And everyone who argues Ashley was established as a straight character needs to explain why Kaidan "turned bi" in ME3 when there's just as much evidence (read: very little) of him having a defined sexual orientation in the previous two games.

And just because Kaiden does something doesn't mean Ash should. They're two different characters. Bioware shoehorning them into the same thing is a disservice to both of them.

Lol, you mean like how they had the exact same dialogue on Horizon, exact same role on Mars, and exact same response when you confront them with Udina?

[Shajar]

Nope, cant believe she could suddenly turn to bi. I can understand that Kaidan is, he was always a kinda wuss.

Btw, whats this about making every character bi? No need Unique characters in game? turn them  to Skyrim/DA style trash "souless" character?

Modifié par Shajar, 04 juin 2012 - 09:46 .