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[mauro2222]

Shajar wrote...

Nope, cant believe she could suddenly turn to bi. I can understand that Kaidan is, he was always a kinda wuss.

Btw, whats this about making every character bi? No need Unique characters in game? turn them  to Skyrim/DA style trash "souless" character?

How does being bi equates to "souless"... you like characters because of their sexuality?

And liking men makes you a wuss? there are gay men more manly than the usual macho-guacho heterosexual dude, in the same way that there are "sissy" men who usually sex every women they meet.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juin 2012 - 09:57 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

FemShep is a total chick-magnet, dunno how Ashley managed to resist her charms. I would have liked Ashley to be a f/f option purely because I'd like to see her romance arc but I don't like playing as BroShep. But I could have forgiven her not being a f/f option if her friendship arc had been fleshed out. In ME1 she was perfect as FemShep's best friend, in ME3 they barely speak.

[Skullheart]

Nope, mainly because she is a religious person. We don't know her religion, but most of them don't have a good view of homosexuality.

Jack and Miranda could be better new bisexual romances in ME3 than Ash. We know that Jack is, well has an open mind regarding sexcual partners (she should have been a bisexual LI in ME2). And Miranda, well, you just have to see how Miranda interacts with a femShep during the game (it seem like they are flirthing each other).

[Fox In The Box]

Shajar wrote...

Nope, cant believe she could suddenly turn to bi. I can understand that Kaidan is, he was always a kinda wuss.

Btw, whats this about making every character bi? No need Unique characters in game? turn them  to Skyrim/DA style trash "souless" character?

Oh, dear. Bisexual men are wusses now?

Also, sexual orientation does not a "unique" character make, whatever you put in that term. I don't think Skyrim has much in the way of character development, but the DA2 love interests had plenty of soul. Did you even speak with them, or are you dismissing everything about their characters simply because they share a sexual orientation? Would you do the same if they were all heterosexual?

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 04 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[Foxhound2121]

I thought she was bi for the longest time after reading this

www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5411/article/bioware-institutes-zero-tolerance-policy-on-communit%20y-forums/

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Sperizer wrote...

But the thing is, Ashley wouldn't be defying stereotypes. In ME1, she's the biggest tomboy in citadel space!

Yeah I can see how you could argue that way too. But often times I see people say she wouldn't be bi because she's appears to be a (socially) conservative individual.

[CptData]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Sperizer wrote...

But the thing is, Ashley wouldn't be defying stereotypes. In ME1, she's the biggest tomboy in citadel space!

Yeah I can see how you could argue that way too. But often times I see people say she wouldn't be bi because she's appears to be a (socially) conservative individual.

She still could be a covert bisexual. I mean, being conservative or religious doesn't mean one can't have this sexual allignment, but usually, those persons remain heterosexual and go after their "other" preference.

However, it would come out of nowhere. If Ash admits she has something for fem!Shep, it simply would feel like "WTH"? Covert bisexuals simply don't do that outing stuff ...

So in short: no bi!Ashley. It does not break her character but it's also unlikely. It won't get added via DLC. Actually, I'd like to see something different for her ...

[Terrorize69]

Also, when it comes down to who you save in ME1, as it is now, all it basically means is, for MShep no matter who you save, you got a LI, for FemShep, you'll have drastically fewer options if you pick between the two.

[MegaBadExample]

Grimez7 wrote...

No. Having her bi would be really out of character for her.

Considering everything.... this.

Kaidan and Ashley were never intended to be bisexual either. It was only briefly considered when the lines were recorded.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 04 juin 2012 - 10:38 .

[CptData]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Also, when it comes down to who you save in ME1, as it is now, all it basically means is, for MShep no matter who you save, you got a LI, for FemShep, you'll have drastically fewer options if you pick between the two.

Well known fact. If you're not into male aliens, you can only have Kaidan. And if you're into male aliens, you only can have Garrus. Jacob cheats on Shepard and Thane dies. And all other romantic options for fem!Shep are female ...

[Sperizer]

Padt wrote...

Sperizer wrote...

But the thing is, Ashley wouldn't be defying stereotypes. In ME1, she's the biggest tomboy in citadel space!

I think what people are referring to when they say that making Ash a same-sex romance option would be "defying stereotypes" is that Ashley generally comes across as a fairly conservative person, and she's also the only human character whom we know is devotedly religious. So, assuming Ashley is a Christian (not an unreasonable assumption, given how she speaks about her religious beliefs in ME1) it would be rather notable, I think, if it also turned out that she is a queer person.

(I suddenly wonder if that would've driven any Christian groups to protest, even on top of the controversy that cropped up over the sexual nature of the romance)

Well I certainly wouldn't protest, since I'm gay and a Christian, because it is possible, you know.

But you do know that. And the sad truth is, there would be a lot of protest from the ignorant side of the religion. And more from FOX. Oh joy.

[Made Nightwing]

They didn't even have plans to make her bi in the first game. It was discussed during the earliest stages of development, then discarded because they felt it didn't fit with her character, likewise with Kaidan. The dialogue is there because both Hale and Meer read from the same script.

Didn't make any sense to shoehorn Kaidan being bi in at the end, wouldn't have made any more sense with Ash.

[Russalka]

Made Nightwing wrote...
It was discussed during the earliest stages of development, then discarded because they felt it didn't fit with her character, likewise with Kaidan.

What are you basing this on?

[AmyMac]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

I thought she was bi for the longest time after reading this

www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5411/article/bioware-institutes-zero-tolerance-policy-on-communit%20y-forums/

Hah that made me lol.

[Made Nightwing]

Russalka wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...
It was discussed during the earliest stages of development, then discarded because they felt it didn't fit with her character, likewise with Kaidan.

What are you basing this on?

Back on the old Twitter thread the question got asked and they answered it. They also felt that they had a good balance with the Love Interests. Pity they threw that balance out the window in ME3.

[Russalka]

If a discount lesbian somehow balances things, then sure.

[mauro2222]

Skullheart wrote...

Nope, mainly because she is a religious person.

Why does everyone get this wrong? She's not religious, she just believes in a higher entity, it has nothing to do with following dogmas.

[justafan]

I don't think so.

It seems people want the VS to be basically mirror images of each other plus or minus an X chromosome. I think having Kaiden bi does not mean Ashley should be bi as well, and I personally don't see it as fitting to her character. Having one be bi and one not further separates the two from being clones of each other. I think this is a good thing and adds to the consequences of the original Virmire decision, if you kill Kaiden, thats one less LI for your femshep.

Also, I don't see it as outside her character because she is religious, I see her as a traditionalist.  She just struck me as the type who wants to serve like her family before her, then have a family of her own.  The way she talked about her family told me that what she wanted was kids of her own, which is why I don't see her as bi.

Modifié par justafan, 05 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[MACharlie1]

It seems that all the answers I'm seeing are that she is too conservative or religious....which makes absolutely no sense for a game 100 years in the future.

Conservative/Liberal are terms for the time period. Conservative 100 years ago meant women were only to wear skirts and raise the children. Liberal meant they could cut their hair short. Think about it: how many short haired women were on the Titanic?

Religion: I hate to break it to any religious guys here but ... the churches are starting to break down when it comes to this. Even the Catholic church is getting pretty wishy-washy with this. 40 years ago, it was absolutely forbidden. Now it's...tolerated. Society is changing for it to be accepting as that happens, the church will continually lose members thus lose money and it's own staff will have been replaced by individuals who think differently. I think the churches by 2194 will have realized that they were losing ALOT of money by opposing homosexuality and the staff would have been replaced by a FAR younger generation....

[Yuqi]

I honestly can't see it.
I was dissapointed that the freindship path with femshep was not better.

[Quething]

Made Nightwing wrote...

They didn't even have plans to make her bi in the first game. It was discussed during the earliest stages of development, then discarded because they felt it didn't fit with her character,

Wrong.

They noticed the possibility late in development, after hearing the Meer and Hale lines and noticing that they worked pretty well, but ultimately discarded it because they felt the romances, as already written, didn't suit a s/s spin, particularly Kaidan's, which spends a lot of time comparing you to his ex-girlfriend (you know BioWare and their Carths), and it would have taken more work than they had time to add and record new lines and build new animations for the kiss and sex scenes. It had absolutely nothing to do with it being "out of character," quite rightly, as "character" - a set of opionions, likes and dislikes, past behavior and future hopes - has nothing whatsoever to do with what sort of genitals turn your crank.

And yes, OP, Ash should have been bi. But like others have said, I would probably have settled with at least a tight subtexty friendship like femSheps could have with her in ME1, as opposed to her chilling in a hospital for the first half of the game and then having all the vitality and social interaction of a lump of melted plastic for the second. 

Modifié par Quething, 05 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[gearseffect]

YES I think BW should have made Ashley bi, they did so with Kaidan, they planed to make them both that way back in ME1. By not doing so with Ashley in ME3 and doing so with Kaidan is another way BW just took another giant dump all over their female fanbase, and basically said to hell with you.

[Aurora313]

No. She and Kaidan should have remained straight characters like was established in the first game.

[MegaBadExample]

gearseffect wrote...

YES I think BW should have made Ashley bi, they did so with Kaidan, they planed to make them both that way back in ME1. By not doing so with Ashley in ME3 and doing so with Kaidan is another way BW just took another giant dump all over their female fanbase, and basically said to hell with you.

They didn't plan to make her bisexual. "It was never part of the plan." - that was the statement. Again, it was only briefly considered once their lines were recorded (like all major characters, I imagine).

And no, they shouldn't just decide to re-write a part of her character to please some fans so late. Besides, most female players want a straight-only human guy to romance in ME3 (which they never got) not ANOTHER girl.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 05 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[Aurora313]

Unless it was Kaidan, and he takes some getting used to anyway. It's someone I had to learn to like.