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[Bob3terd]

really this is what its come to.....

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
The entire ME3 ending makes sense, when you try to think about it with clear mind. Just relax and try  

Oh, it makes sense... in a completely different game. Or movie. Or book. Just not Mass Effect.

Now, I will say that what you've come up with would make sense, if the following occured.
1) We see the end of the Final Battle
2) Epilogue states that new Relays were under development.
3) Same epilogue sets up a reason why it's the Normandy, why all the squaddies are on it, etc.
4) The Crucible energy wave is removed from the scene completely and something else added to explain why the jump failed horribly.
5) Some tech was mentioned that allows the crew to survive massive amounts of radiation as mentioned via codex.

This about covers it. Without these, your theory makes NO SENSE with what we have.

[RocketManSR2]

BioWare, look what you've done. Trying to make sense of the ME3 ending has caused the TC to lose their mind.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 05 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

I present this: Couldn't they just use a shuttle, those go FTL and they aren't massive tactical assets.

I think that reactivated relays should be tested on all possible types of ships, including frigates. I don't think it's as easy as "if a shuttle made it, then all other ships will be safe".

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Someone please take whatever substance the OP is using to come up with this nonsense and let this thread die. This makes about as much sense as Synthesis.

The entire ME3 ending makes sense, when you try to think about it with clear mind.

It will move mountains! It will mount movements!

[GLR-0053]

Remember? Speculations from everyone!!!

[dirtdiver32318]

Good or bad this thread os on fire lol

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Someone please take whatever substance the OP is using to come up with this nonsense and let this thread die. This makes about as much sense as Synthesis.

The entire ME3 ending makes sense, when you try to think about it with clear mind. Just relax and try  

I tried thinking about it with a clear head. I tried thinking about it on the finest drugs money can buy.  It still makes no sense.

[wantedman dan]

IndridColdx wrote...

this is garbage

this

[Abreu Road]

The ending was made to not make sense.

"Lot's of speculations", remember?

[LilyasAvalon]

Yyeeeaaahhh.... No. Just. No.

There isn't any great reasoning behind it. It was a cheap ass attempt to create a crappy reference to Adam and Eve. End of discussion.

[SackofCat]

Hey saurez,
If you had a point, don't you think you've made it? It's not healthy to take this thread so personally that you feel the need to flame the OP incessantly. If the OP or the OPer has offended you should just say so or, better yet, PM him/her.

I guess, maybe, you think what you are writing is clever but if it is, then it is difficult for me to notice. Or maybe this is some kind of passive aggressive tantrum? I am just speculating. It's too vague to say for certain until it is clarified.

[christrek1982]

in order for what you say to be the case (new form of FTL or new relay) a lot of time hast to of passed but you don't get that sense at all 2 if shep survives (red ending) why isn't he she with them? if what you say is true how much time has passed?

A good Idea but not possible with the info we get from the end.

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

My theory actually proves the scene is not a "cheap Adam & Eve allegory". You don't believe that crash-test was what BioWare really meant by the scene?

Why in the hell would the story change from "Everyone fighting the Reapers" to "Test launching a new relay" DURING the falling action, without exposition, and without basis?

It would be like the shootout at the end of Scarface, suddenly jump cutting to the medal ceremony from A New Hope, then jumping to Zoolander after the credits to Rocky IV rolled.

[Archontor]

Seival wrote...

Archontor wrote...

I present this: Couldn't they just use a shuttle, those go FTL and they aren't massive tactical assets.

I think that reactivated relays should be tested on all possible types of ships, including frigates. I don't think it's as easy as "if a shuttle made it, then all other ships will be safe".

 

They all work the same way so yes pretty much. 

[MadCat221]

Why would they be testing something so obviously untested and unsafe on the topmost of the line frigate in the entire galaxy? Why not some test article ship controlled by a VI?

This whole theory seems like some desperate attempt to make sense of the second most infuriatingly nonsensical part of the ending (the first being the whole color-coded space magic BS).

Modifié par MadCat221, 06 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[Seival]

MadCat221 wrote...

Why would they be testing something so obviously untested and unsafe on the topmost of the line frigate in the entire galaxy? Why not some test article ship controlled by a VI?

This whole theory seems like some desperate attempt to make sense of the second most infuriatingly nonsensical part of the ending (the first being the whole color-coded space magic BS).

Some very first tests really could be made using garbage ships controlled by IV. But test with the Normandy and full crew was not the very first one obviously. First we make some iterations of relay calibrating and disintegrate some empty ships in the process. And when relays start to work about fine, we can try some real ships with real crew...

...And the first ship with crew could be Normandy. The test-flight was not quite successful, but crew survived. And normandy was not  damaged too bad. It will need only engines replacement and some minor hull repairs.

Modifié par Seival, 06 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[SackofCat]

A problem I have is that if they did do VI manned ship testing first, then they would only send a living crew after if has worked safely numerous times. If the scene is showing that the relay responds differently to the Normandy, what would be the writer's point? To show that progress is slow?

I think the biggest problem is the continuity problem. There is no transition to indicate the crash takes place at any time other than during or just after the crucible fires. Are you proposing that it was just sloppy writing or design?

[Seival]

SackofCat wrote...

A problem I have is that if they did do VI manned ship testing first, then they would only send a living crew after if has worked safely numerous times. If the scene is showing that the relay responds differently to the Normandy, what would be the writer's point? To show that progress is slow?

I think the biggest problem is the continuity problem. There is no transition to indicate the crash takes place at any time other than during or just after the crucible fires. Are you proposing that it was just sloppy writing or design?

...Well, different ship, different payload, different mass effect core... a lot of different parameters in fact. Something could have gone wrong. The writers point could be that restoring mass relay network was a very difficult task.

[KiwiQuiche]

SEEMS LEGIT

[M Hedonist]

SackofCat wrote...

Hey saurez,
If you had a point, don't you think you've made it? It's not healthy to take this thread so personally that you feel the need to flame the OP incessantly. If the OP or the OPer has offended you should just say so or, better yet, PM him/her.

I guess, maybe, you think what you are writing is clever but if it is, then it is difficult for me to notice. Or maybe this is some kind of passive aggressive tantrum? I am just speculating. It's too vague to say for certain until it is clarified.

A message!
Ooh, ooh, what kind of message? A song? A summon? Wait, I know! A death threat written on the back of an Argonian concubine? Those are my favorite.

Now... to let the Greymarch come upon me for a second: You're taking things way too seriously. I was spouting Sheogorath quotes for the last dozen or so posts. Just some lighthearted poking at the madness that is going on here. But now you've forced me to become all Jyggalag.

[Jamie9]

Sauruz wrote...

A message!
Ooh, ooh, what kind of message? A song? A summon? Wait, I know! A death threat written on the back of an Argonian concubine? Those are my favorite.

Now... to let the Greymarch come upon me for a second: You're taking things way too seriously. I was spouting Sheogorath quotes for the last dozen or so posts. Just some lighthearted poking at the madness that is going on here. But now you've forced me to become all Jyggalag.

I knew you were quoting something! It was on the tip of my tongue.

Got it now. Tongue retracted.

[M Hedonist]

But I guess you're expecting me to post something that actually has substance to prove that what is going on here is, indeed, madness.
I am not going to argue that this theory makes no sense. Once you start making up a bunch of stuff (Joker's eyes and skin only sometimes being green) you can have all kinds of crazy theories make sense and it gets impossible to argue against it since one can always make up more stuff to explain what doesn't make sense yet.
It gives a possible explanation for what happened. Just as much as I could say that what we're seeing is a clone of Joker flying a perfect replica of the Normandy. It's as much of a possible explanation as this and I could prove it by making up just as much stuff as Seival made up stuff to prove his theory.

Now, the real question is: What is the probability that this is actually what Bioware had intended? Or, why would they show us something that is completely unrelated to the events that happened just before that? Even more importantly, why would they show the sequence in a way that clearly implies what we're seeing is connected to each other in a tight chronological order?
But Seival instead already dismissed those questions by saying you just have to have a "clear mind" to realize that all this is what Bioware had intended. Such ridiculous claims are empty unless you can prove that other persons who have never heard of this theory will make the same logical conclusion just by seeing the ending. However, that is highly improbable. This thread indirectly proves that. Only a minority of posters accept this logical leap after having it explained to them. Less will accept it before having it explained to them.

Modifié par Sauruz, 06 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

But I guess you're expecting me to post something that actually has substance to prove that what is going on here is, indeed, madness.
I am not going to argue that this theory makes no sense. Once you start making up a bunch of stuff (Joker's eyes and skin only sometimes being green) you can have all kinds of crazy theories make sense and it gets impossible to argue against it since one can always make up more stuff to explain what doesn't make sense yet.
It gives a possible explanation for what happened. Just as much as I could say that what we're seeing is a clone of Joker flying a perfect replica of the Normandy. It's as much of a possible explanation as this and I could prove it by making up just as much stuff as Seival made up stuff to prove his theory.

Now, the real question is: What is the probability that this is actually what Bioware had intended? Or, why would they show us something that is completely unrelated to the events that happened just before that? Even more importantly, why would they show the sequence in a way that clearly implies what we're seeing is connected to each other in a tight chronological order?

But Seival instead already dismissed those questions by saying you just have to have a "clear mind" to realize that all this is what Bioware had intended. Such ridiculous claims are empty unless you can prove that other persons who have never heard of this theory will make the same logical conclusion just by seeing the ending. However, that is highly improbable. This thread indirectly proves that. Only a minority of posters accept this logical leap after having it explained to them. Less will accept it before having it explained to them.

Why? Maybe because they wanted to make a game that requires a lot of thinking to understand (like a well-written complicated book). Maybe because a huge number of players complain that thay've got tired of non-instructive, standard, boring and completely predictable endings that 99.99% of games have nowdays?

[SackofCat]

I see. Then I apologize Sauraz an am a little embarrassed. I agree with most of what you last wrote but considering the state of the source material, it is probably not much more far-fetched as some other theories that may be more popular. Some of the people willing to make the logical leap(s) required to follow this hypothetical may be doing so to counterbalance those more popular but similarly illogical theories.

Once a person stops speculating about what is there and begins to speculate on what isn't, it ceases to be the original author's work. You are right. Once that happens, anything can be made to fit this new story rather easily.

I am clearly unfamiliar with what you were referencing before.