Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Name one example where a chronological jump that has no context and no reason to be happening in the final moments of a trilogy or series where it has never happened before has ever, ever worked.
Seival wrote...
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Name one example where a chronological jump that has no context and no reason to be happening in the final moments of a trilogy or series where it has never happened before has ever, ever worked.
Dark Tower by Stephen King.
Taboo-XX wrote...
Walters comic book writing is suited for just that. Comic books.
Jenonax wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
Walters comic book writing is suited for just that. Comic books.
Hey, man, don't drag comics into Walters' circle of fail.
Not all of them are terrible.
Snyder's doing a great job with the Caped Crusader.
o Ventus wrote...
Seival wrote...
Vox Draco wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
You are aware that this hiding from the surface and subtext forcing readers to think has directly lead to the birth of IT? But of course it is stupid because you don't believe it might be true...and rather come up with a theory of your own that is...well...more based on assumptions than that dream-trees from IT...?
Yeah...I like that...
No, I think that readers' laziness leaded to the birth of "IT" actually.
Reader laziness?
If digging back through the 1st and 2nd (and into the 3rd) games for any evidence or implications of Shepard maybe-possibly being indoctrinated by the end of the 3rd game is lazy, then I have no faith for the future of our species.
Really. The IT is the antithesis of a lazy audience. Hell, the outlandishness of the idea defeats the meaning of the word "lazy". For people to go through ALL THAT WORK to find evidence is NOT lazy.
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Name one example where a chronological jump that has no context and no reason to be happening in the final moments of a trilogy or series where it has never happened before has ever, ever worked.
Dark Tower by Stephen King.
Are you actually comparing Walters to Stephen King?
Mass Effect to Dark Tower?
Taboo-XX wrote...
Walters will never be Alan Moore.
You have to actually apply logic to your story for people to become enamored with it.
Oh god, are you gonna try arguing that a Deus Ex Machina is a good plot device again and that a DEM is better if it's unexpected?Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Name one example where a chronological jump that has no context and no reason to be happening in the final moments of a trilogy or series where it has never happened before has ever, ever worked.
Dark Tower by Stephen King.
Are you actually comparing Walters to Stephen King?
Mass Effect to Dark Tower?
Both stories have completely unpredictable endings. Both stories' endings shock the reader in the very similar ways...
...And Dark Tower has a lot of fans, actually.
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
Name one example where a chronological jump that has no context and no reason to be happening in the final moments of a trilogy or series where it has never happened before has ever, ever worked.
Dark Tower by Stephen King.
Are you actually comparing Walters to Stephen King?
Mass Effect to Dark Tower?
Both stories have completely unpredictable endings. Both stories' endings shock the reader in the very similar ways...
...And Dark Tower has a lot of fans, actually.
Sauruz wrote...
Oh god, are you gonna try arguing that a Deus Ex Machina is a good plot device again and that a DEM is better if it's unexpected?Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
And what does IT have to do with lazyness? There's a lot more effort put into it than your theory. Good luck trying to get somebody to do a one-and-a-half hour long documentary about the "it was a Mass Relay test jump" theory. You can say those people live in denial, but you can't say they are lazy.
Don't tell him that.o Ventus wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
Oh god, are you gonna try arguing that a Deus Ex Machina is a good plot device again and that a DEM is better if it's unexpected?Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
And what does IT have to do with lazyness? There's a lot more effort put into it than your theory. Good luck trying to get somebody to do a one-and-a-half hour long documentary about the "it was a Mass Relay test jump" theory. You can say those people live in denial, but you can't say they are lazy.
A DEM, by virtue of the meaning behind the trope, is unexpected. With that, the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina.
Vox Draco wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
Seival wrote...
Vox Draco wrote...
Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
You are aware that this hiding from the surface and subtext forcing readers to think has directly lead to the birth of IT? But of course it is stupid because you don't believe it might be true...and rather come up with a theory of your own that is...well...more based on assumptions than that dream-trees from IT...?
Yeah...I like that...
No, I think that readers' laziness leaded to the birth of "IT" actually.
Reader laziness?
If digging back through the 1st and 2nd (and into the 3rd) games for any evidence or implications of Shepard maybe-possibly being indoctrinated by the end of the 3rd game is lazy, then I have no faith for the future of our species.
Really. The IT is the antithesis of a lazy audience. Hell, the outlandishness of the idea defeats the meaning of the word "lazy". For people to go through ALL THAT WORK to find evidence is NOT lazy.
THIS! I know some people don't like IT for various reasons, and I resepect but don't understand it. But saying that IT is lazy...*laughs* No other theory, not even the justifications for Shepard's betrayal *coughs* (aka control/synthesis) are based on so much research and dedication from fans looking at the ending, and they try hard to actually base the theory on the GAMES and what happened before, and the lore, and trying to fit it into the narrative...
Lazy? It is lazy to simply accept what the starchild throws at you and ignoring everything you have seen and witness hundreds of hours prior....or just making something up from nowhere, as you did with your "theory" here
*chuckles again*...
Sauruz wrote...
Don't tell him that.o Ventus wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
Oh god, are you gonna try arguing that a Deus Ex Machina is a good plot device again and that a DEM is better if it's unexpected?Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
And what does IT have to do with lazyness? There's a lot more effort put into it than your theory. Good luck trying to get somebody to do a one-and-a-half hour long documentary about the "it was a Mass Relay test jump" theory. You can say those people live in denial, but you can't say they are lazy.
A DEM, by virtue of the meaning behind the trope, is unexpected. With that, the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina.
He'll say a DEM you can expect to happen just isn't a proper DEM and therefore has less literary worth. Seriously, that's what he said when he tried to prove that Deus Ex Human Revolution had a DEM.
Seival wrote...
Research? No real research was involved in "IT". Some people are just too lazy to think, but not too lazy to talk about it. And when the topic becomes very popular in masses, it leads to some side work, that has nothing to do with attempts to understand... They just want to keep talking about it. Even through BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option.
Seival wrote...
Research? No real research was involved in "IT". Some people are just too lazy to think, but not too lazy to talk about it. And when the topic becomes very popular in masses, it leads to some side work, that has nothing to do with attempts to understand... They just want to keep talking about it. Even through BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option.
Modifié par ArikadOdakirA, 06 juin 2012 - 10:50 .
Wow. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.Seival wrote...
Research? No real research was involved in "IT". Some people are just too lazy to think, but not too lazy to talk about it. And when the topic becomes very popular in masses, it leads to some side work, that has nothing to do with attempts to understand... They just want to keep talking about it. Even through BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option.
Seival wrote...
Research? No real research was involved in "IT". Some people are just too lazy to think, but not too lazy to talk about it. And when the topic becomes very popular in masses, it leads to some side work, that has nothing to do with attempts to understand... They just want to keep talking about it. Even through BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option.
Sauruz wrote...
Don't tell him that.o Ventus wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
Oh god, are you gonna try arguing that a Deus Ex Machina is a good plot device again and that a DEM is better if it's unexpected?Seival wrote...
Actually quite opposite... If you hide something moving it from the "surface" deep into the "subtext", forcing readers to think, then you are excellent writer.
...BioWare has excellent writers team.
And what does IT have to do with lazyness? There's a lot more effort put into it than your theory. Good luck trying to get somebody to do a one-and-a-half hour long documentary about the "it was a Mass Relay test jump" theory. You can say those people live in denial, but you can't say they are lazy.
A DEM, by virtue of the meaning behind the trope, is unexpected. With that, the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina.
He'll say a DEM you can expect to happen just isn't a proper DEM and therefore has less literary worth. Seriously, that's what he said when he tried to prove that Deus Ex Human Revolution had a DEM.
Jenonax wrote...
Seival wrote...
Research? No real research was involved in "IT". Some people are just too lazy to think, but not too lazy to talk about it. And when the topic becomes very popular in masses, it leads to some side work, that has nothing to do with attempts to understand... They just want to keep talking about it. Even through BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option.
And I thought my jokes were bad.
Sorry, dude, but your theory is nothing but wishful thinking. Its nothing but your personal headcannon and if, if, if its the truth then somehow the ending has been made even worse with years worth of content hacked and slashed out of it.
Sorry, man.
Seival wrote...
My theory is just a theory. We will see if it's true or not in EC
...But right now I prefer to support Normandy crash scene.
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