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[Grimwick]

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

this is garbage

seconded.

Thirded

Fourthed.

I'm sorry OP, it's a nice idea to make this thread and all but that scene is outright disgusting and is an insult to the ME series.

I will not accept the idea that ME turns into some cheap Adam & Eve allegory.

My theory actually proves the scene is not a "cheap Adam & Eve allegory". You don't believe that crash-test was what BioWare really meant by the scene?

Honestly. No.

The scene takes place during the time in which all the mass relays are exploding. The music is still playing and absolutely no indication was given that this is an epilogue scene.

Furthermore, the scene depicts Joker as scared and frightened - that would not be the case in an organised 'crash-test'. Also, why is a crash-test necessary at all?

[WhiteKnyght]

You're working on a theory I proposed months ago.



If you notice, the Normandy was already damaged while Joker was trying to run. He was dealing with systems failures and had fires on the deck before the beam even made contact. Which makes sense because the Normandy rejoined the battle in space after dropping Shepard off on Earth. I wouldn't expect it to be spotless after that.

There was also an inexplicable gap in the beam behind the Normandy. It never actually made contact with the beam.

Not to mention, look at the crash site for the SR1 and look at the SR2. Other than a few burns to the hull and the thrusters being destroyed, the thing is in remarkably good shape for a frigate that crashed at 1000x FTL speed during a relay jump. And there's no sign of impact on the area around it. Not so much as a crater, as if the ship was just set down.

Plus, if you have an EMS below 1700 and choose destroy, everything the beam touches is instantly incinerated. You even get an extra scene showing Earth being burned clean. Yet even with this circumstance, the Normandy is largely intact, although they don't show the crew getting out.

The theory, there is more going on than what we're paying attention to. One possibility is that the Normandy being the fastest frigate in the galaxy and was being pushed to its limit during a relay jump tore open a wormhole which it got sucked into and was transported to that planet. Which might be in the Milky Way, might be in another galaxy, or might even be in another universe.

And going by the calm and somewhat happy attitude of the crew, they might have been there awhile by the time that scene showed.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 04 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[ArchDuck]

Leafs43 wrote...

anorling wrote...

So if it was some "test jump/launch" long after the actual ending. Would that mean that the crash scene suddenly made sense?

No! It would make the scene even more out of place, nonsensical and absurd!

Not to mention if Shepard chose synthesis, why isn't joker a cyborg in the Normandy?

And... new "theory" debunked.

[Seival]

Leafs43 wrote...

anorling wrote...

So if it was some "test jump/launch" long after the actual ending. Would that mean that the crash scene suddenly made sense?

No! It would make the scene even more out of place, nonsensical and absurd!

Not to mention if Shepard chose synthesis, why isn't joker a cyborg in the Normandy?

Joker is actually not a human in the crash scene in case of Synthesis:

[Pottumuusi]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

You're working on a theory I proposed months ago.



If you notice, the Normandy was already damaged while Joker was trying to run. He was dealing with systems failures and had fires on the deck before the beam even made contact. Which makes sense because the Normandy rejoined the battle in space after dropping Shepard off on Earth. I wouldn't expect it to be spotless after that.

There was also an inexplicable gap in the beam behind the Normandy. It never actually made contact with the beam.

Not to mention, look at the crash site for the SR1 and look at the SR2. Other than a few burns to the hull and the thrusters being destroyed, the thing is in remarkably good shape for a frigate that crashed at 1000x FTL speed during a relay jump. And there's no sign of impact on the area around it. Not so much as a crater, as if the ship was just set down.

Plus, if you have an EMS below 1700 and choose destroy, everything the beam touches is instantly incinerated. You even get an extra scene showing Earth being burned clean. Yet even with this circumstance, the Normandy is largely intact, although they don't show the crew getting out.

The theory, there is more going on than what we're paying attention to. One possibility is that the Normandy being the fastest frigate in the galaxy and was being pushed to its limit during a relay jump tore open a wormhole which it got sucked into and was transported to that planet. Which might be in the Milky Way, might be in another galaxy, or might even be in another universe.

And going by the calm and somewhat happy attitude of the crew, they might have been there awhile by the time that scene showed.

[Leafs43]

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

anorling wrote...

So if it was some "test jump/launch" long after the actual ending. Would that mean that the crash scene suddenly made sense?

No! It would make the scene even more out of place, nonsensical and absurd!

Not to mention if Shepard chose synthesis, why isn't joker a cyborg in the Normandy?

Joker is actually not a human in the crash scene in case of Synthesis:

He is human before the blast hits the Normandy.


 

Check @ 3:16

Modifié par Leafs43, 04 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[jijeebo]

Swing and a miss there, sorry.


It's good to see people coming up with different interpretations of events but Joker not being Synthesised until after the crash sort of kills it dead.

[Alchema]

Leafs43 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

anorling wrote...

So if it was some "test jump/launch" long after the actual ending. Would that mean that the crash scene suddenly made sense?

No! It would make the scene even more out of place, nonsensical and absurd!

Not to mention if Shepard chose synthesis, why isn't joker a cyborg in the Normandy?

Joker is actually not a human in the crash scene in case of Synthesis:

He is before the blast hits the Normandy.

That's because, it's BEFORE. It makes sense that he's still 100% human before the blast hits him.

[Wulfram]

A pretty good parody of IT

[Seival]

Leafs43 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

anorling wrote...

So if it was some "test jump/launch" long after the actual ending. Would that mean that the crash scene suddenly made sense?

No! It would make the scene even more out of place, nonsensical and absurd!

Not to mention if Shepard chose synthesis, why isn't joker a cyborg in the Normandy?

Joker is actually not a human in the crash scene in case of Synthesis:

He is before the blast hits the Normandy.

These glowing eyes could be visible only in some special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black.

[The Night Mammoth]

Oh god............ my ribs............... you.........can't be serious.


Your alternative makes even less sense and would be a worse addition to the story that what we have. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 juin 2012 - 10:22 .

[NoSpin]

No.


The Normandy scene makes no sense, and your explanation of mass relay "test jumps" makes even LESS sense.

[Lookout1390]

NoSpin wrote...

No.


The Normandy scene makes no sense, and your explanation of mass relay "test jumps" makes even LESS sense.

He could get a job as the lead writer on a project over at Bioware.

[Pottumuusi]

Lookout1390 wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

No.


The Normandy scene makes no sense, and your explanation of mass relay "test jumps" makes even LESS sense.

He could get a job as the lead writer on a project over at Bioware.

Doubtful. He doesn't posess the neccesary amount of speculation.

[Ticonderoga117]

...This is the worse theory I've ever read. Of all time.

[Seival]

Grimwick wrote...

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

this is garbage

seconded.

Thirded

Fourthed.

I'm sorry OP, it's a nice idea to make this thread and all but that scene is outright disgusting and is an insult to the ME series.

I will not accept the idea that ME turns into some cheap Adam & Eve allegory.

My theory actually proves the scene is not a "cheap Adam & Eve allegory". You don't believe that crash-test was what BioWare really meant by the scene?

Honestly. No.

The scene takes place during the time in which all the mass relays are exploding. The music is still playing and absolutely no indication was given that this is an epilogue scene.

Furthermore, the scene depicts Joker as scared and frightened - that would not be the case in an organised 'crash-test'. Also, why is a crash-test necessary at all?

Why is a crash-test necessary at all? Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

[Grimwick]

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

this is garbage

seconded.

Thirded

Fourthed.

I'm sorry OP, it's a nice idea to make this thread and all but that scene is outright disgusting and is an insult to the ME series.

I will not accept the idea that ME turns into some cheap Adam & Eve allegory.

My theory actually proves the scene is not a "cheap Adam & Eve allegory". You don't believe that crash-test was what BioWare really meant by the scene?

Honestly. No.

The scene takes place during the time in which all the mass relays are exploding. The music is still playing and absolutely no indication was given that this is an epilogue scene.

Furthermore, the scene depicts Joker as scared and frightened - that would not be the case in an organised 'crash-test'. Also, why is a crash-test necessary at all?

Why is a crash-test necessary at all? Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

That's not really how the majority of mass relays work. The major relays do not require calibrations like that because they are linked pairs. 
Can't speak for the minor ones but that is still a large amount of speculation.

Also that doesn't answer the first two points which are arguably more important to your theory.

[Pottumuusi]

Seival wrote...

 Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Which is why you take the most technologically advanced ship you have available, fill it with esteemed war heroes and send it through.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Oh god............ my ribs............... you.........can't be serious.


Your alternative makes even less sense and would be a worse addition to the story that what we have. 

How exactly a clue for the possibility of Mass Relay reconstruction/reactivation can make the endings worse?

[Unholyknight800]

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Why is a crash-test necessary at all? Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Okay, why does the colour change, why is the outcome different if you choose synthesis, why is Joker worried and clearly trying to escape it, why send the already damaged Normandy, why send the Normandy with Shepard's squad in it, why don't we see Shepard if she survives destroy, how does the Normandy crash, were does it crash, why is it an obvious continuation from the scenes before it indicating that no significant time has past, why does your crew walk out and look at the horizon to symbolize new beginnings?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 juin 2012 - 10:28 .

[Lookout1390]

Congratulations on dumbest thread of the day award

[Seival]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Seival wrote...

 Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Which is why you take the most technologically advanced ship you have available, fill it with esteemed war heroes and send it through.

Yes. The ship and its crew are well known for completing very dangerous tasks.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Oh god............ my ribs............... you.........can't be serious.


Your alternative makes even less sense and would be a worse addition to the story that what we have. 

How exactly a clue for the possibility of Mass Relay reconstruction/reactivation can make the endings worse?

Why? 

Because it's a random, unrelated epilogue scene with no context, makes no sense, isn't explained at all and has literally no meaning or worth to the story. 

At the very least BioWare tried to connect this scene with the rest of the events, adding in their own idiotic brand of symbolism, but your alternative is just an even bigger mound of irrelevant, nonsensical bullsh*t. 

[mauro2222]

Uhmmm OP, the engines are destroyed because well... they work with mass effect tech, with an eezo core, just like the relays.