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[M Hedonist]

SackofCat wrote...

I added that it could be an autonomic response. That when he is frightened or anxious it is not visible but when he is calm or horny it comes out...

Are you saying what I think you're saying?

[Erield]

Sauruz wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

I added that it could be an autonomic response. That when he is frightened or anxious it is not visible but when he is calm or horny it comes out...

Are you saying what I think you're saying?

I think he's saying that if the scene had lasted another 15 minutes, Joker and EDI would be doing the horizontal tango.

[Erield]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Why do you treat Normandy's crew like some kind of "Kings" that should never risk their lives to perform some important tasks?

No. We treat them like real people who have better things to do than volunteer as test dummies. Remember how Liara acted towards you in ME2 when you asked her to join you on your mission? That's how sane people react to somebody asking them whether they want to risk their life on a suicide mission.
Contrary to "F*CK YEAH MASS RELAY TEST JUMPS" which you naively assume to be the common reaction of several different persons with varying personalities and motives.

Just...just had to quote this for the lolz.  Dear Bacon, save me, the lolz are so awesome.  This thread is so much win.  Just...so...much...win. 

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Why do you treat Normandy's crew like some kind of "Kings" that should never risk their lives to perform some important tasks?

No. We treat them like real people who have better things to do than volunteer as test dummies. Remember how Liara acted towards you in ME2 when you asked her to join you on your mission? That's how sane people react to somebody asking them whether they want to risk their life on a suicide mission.
Contrary to "F*CK YEAH MASS RELAY TEST JUMPS" which you naively assume to be the common reaction of several different persons with varying personalities and motives.

Mass relays network reconstruction is one of the most important things to do after the war...

...And please, don't call all modern test-pilots "test-dummies". They are the heroes, who risk their lives to move civilization's progress forward. And their training makes them the best pilots in the world. They are true aces. They are VERY valuable... and still their job is the constant risk of death...

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Mass relays network reconstruction is one of the most important things to do after the war...

...And please, don't call all modern test-pilots "test-dummies". They are the heroes, who risk their lives to move civilization's progress forward. And their training makes them the best pilots in the world. They are true aces. They are VERY valuable... and still their job is the constant risk of death...

This has nothing to do with modern test pilots. You're the one who dragged them into this asinine discussion.
None of the squad members do any piloting. Most of them can't provide any help at all. And every sort of help they could provide trained professionals could do much better. They're literally test dummies.

[M Hedonist]

Your theory has to make too many baseless assumptions to make any sense.

- Mass Relays change color depending on the ending you chose for no apparent reason
- Javik suddenly doesn't want to kill himself any more, again, for no apparent reason
- Bioware decided to intentionally f*ck with us by completely botching up the narrative structure for no reason other than to "make us think"
- Liara, the Shadow Broker, drops everything she's doing at the moment and risks her life just because she has experienced a ship crash before (which is an extremely ridiculous reason to do this)
- Ashley/Kaidan have no more reason to be on this ship than Liara
- Garrus might be able to callibrate guns, but nothing suggest he possesses any more expertise on Alliance space ships than just that
- James Vega, an Alliance soldier with the IQ of a monkey interrupts his N7 training just so he can risk his life for no reason; he can't provide any help at all for this, he might as well be a test dummy
- Javik isn't even accustomed to Alliance space ships and can provide even less help than everybody else on this list; he, too, might as well be a test dummy
- They do Mass Relay test jumps with fully manned space ships for no apparent reason
- They use the Normandy for the test jump for no apparent reason
- Joker and the others are completely calm about the failed Mass Relay test jump and the subsequent crash on an unknown world
- Every single one of the ME3 crew volunteer for this test jump, but none of the ME2 crew do
- They rebuild the Mass Relays in all of the endings
- They need to rebuild the Mass Relays in the Control ending even though the cutscenes imply that the Mass Relays stay intact in that ending
- In Synthesis, people's skin and eyes only glow green during special occasions
- The devs just suddenly decide to change their mind

There is no reason to assume most of these other than to make your theory make sense.
Edit: Added another one.
Edit2: Added one more. Thanks to the Angry One for bringing that up.
Edit3: And another one, just for the hell of it.
Edit4: One more indirectly brought up by the Angry One. Thanks again.
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Edit8: Most important one yet.

Modifié par Sauruz, 15 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mass relays network reconstruction is one of the most important things to do after the war...

...And please, don't call all modern test-pilots "test-dummies". They are the heroes, who risk their lives to move civilization's progress forward. And their training makes them the best pilots in the world. They are true aces. They are VERY valuable... and still their job is the constant risk of death...

This has nothing to do with modern test pilots. You're the one who dragged them into this asinine discussion.
None of the squad members do any piloting. Most of them can't provide any help at all. And every sort of help they could provide trained professionals could do much better. They're literally test dummies.

Each and every Normandy crew member has skills that could help if something had gone wrong during the test-flight. Each member has his/her own talents. As a team they can handle any force-major situation.

[Cyruge]

Xellith wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

this is garbage

seconded.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Each and every Normandy crew member has skills that could help if something had gone wrong during the test-flight. Each member has his/her own talents. As a team they can handle any force-major situation.

They're not the experts on flying space ships through Mass Relays and ship crashes. Some of them have little idea how space ships work and the inner workings of such things. Javik, and James possibly, too. Why would they need a meathead like James on their mission? He's just good for shooting stuff.
Your theory makes too many blind, baseless assumptions that make little sense.

[DJBare]

None of it makes sense, the Normandy crew abandoning Shepard?, stepping off smiling and calm(who cares what happened to Shepard), but most importantly is the distance to the Charon relay, the closest relay to earth is 5 hours away at light speed, the closest Pluto comes to earth is 28.7 AU, that's approximately 28.7*92,000,000,000 (2,640,400,000,000) miles, at the speed of light(186'000 M/s, 669,600,000 mph) that's between 4 to 5 hours travel time.

Those are rough estimates, but still shows the Normandy would have to leave earth orbit at least 4 hours before the events on the citadel to reach the Charon relay in time to make the jump.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Each and every Normandy crew member has skills that could help if something had gone wrong during the test-flight. Each member has his/her own talents. As a team they can handle any force-major situation.

They're not the experts on flying space ships through Mass Relays and ship crashes. Some of them have little idea how space ships work and the inner workings of such things. Javik, and James possibly, too. Why would they need a meathead like James on their mission? He's just good for shooting stuff.
Your theory makes too many blind, baseless assumptions that make little sense.

They don't have to be an experts in physics. They just have to be a good team that act effectively in extrime situations. That's why test-pilots are testing modern planes, not scientists.

...Tests with full crew are needed (after the tests with no crew) to complete restored relay calibrations. And someone has to be the first. And why not use the Normandy and its skilled crew for that? Especially through they all will be happy to perform such test-flight.

Modifié par Seival, 09 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[The Angry One]

Hey you know what James Vega does in stressful situations involving complex technology?

www.youtube.com/watch

[Joe Del Toro]

OH MY GOD.

[M Hedonist]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

They don't have to be an experts in physics. They just have to be a good team that act effectively in extrime situations. That's why test-pilots are testing modern planes, not scientists.

Your comparison to test pilots doesn't make sense. They use test pilots because they're good at piloting and are trained professionals. You're proposing that they instead use people who have survived a plane crash as test pilots.
I'm starting to doubt your sanity.

[The Angry One]

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

No no, it's the bees! OH GOD NOT THE BEES!!

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

They don't
have to be an experts in physics. They just have to be a good team that
act effectively in extrime situations. That's why test-pilots are
testing modern planes, not scientists.

Your comparison to
test pilots doesn't make sense. They use test pilots because they're
good at piloting and are trained professionals. You're proposing that
they instead use people who have survived a plane crash as test pilots.
I'm starting to doubt your sanity.

Also, test flights on larger planes are crewed by specialists required for whatever they're testing. Not just pilots.
You do not put soldiers onto a test flight for no reason.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[Joe Del Toro]

The Angry One wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

No no, it's the bees! OH GOD NOT THE BEES!!

GARRRRBAGE DAY

[Taboo]

OH GOD. OH MAN. OH GOD. OH MAN. OH GOD.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[The Angry One]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

No no, it's the bees! OH GOD NOT THE BEES!!

GARRRRBAGE DAY

YHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[M Hedonist]

The Angry One wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

No no, it's the bees! OH GOD NOT THE BEES!!

GARRRRBAGE DAY

YHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, LISA

[Joe Del Toro]

The Angry One wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

OH MY GOD.

They're eating her, and then they're going to eat me?

No no, it's the bees! OH GOD NOT THE BEES!!

GARRRRBAGE DAY

YHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Roll Fizzlebeef.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

They don't have to be an experts in physics. They just have to be a good team that act effectively in extrime situations. That's why test-pilots are testing modern planes, not scientists.

Your comparison to test pilots doesn't make sense. They use test pilots because they're good at piloting and are trained professionals. You're proposing that they instead use people who have survived a plane crash as test pilots.
I'm starting to doubt your sanity.

You just forget one important thing. A ship is a combat unit, consisting of many different parts. If you place only a pilot into the Normandy for special flight tests, then it will not be a test a fully staffed ship. And using Normandy's usual crew for such tests makes sense, because the crew is ready and trained for extremal situations. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

You just forget one important thing. A ship is a combat unit, consisting of many different parts. If you place only a pilot into the Normandy for special flight tests, then it will not be a test a fully staffed ship. And using Normandy's usual crew for such tests makes sense, because the crew is ready and trained for extremal situations. 

Nice of you to not actually answer the point. 

Your theory is sinking. 

[The Angry One]

Seival wrote...

You just forget one important thing. A ship is a combat unit, consisting of many different parts. If you place only a pilot into the Normandy for special flight tests, then it will not be a test a fully staffed ship. And using Normandy's usual crew for such tests makes sense, because the crew is ready and trained for extremal situations. 

For such a thing as this, they would use a dedicated test ship.
If for some reason they need the Normandy, then the Normandy would be refitted and repurposed to be a test ship.
It would have pilots, scientists and engineers on board. It would not have marines, archaeologists and Javik.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

You just forget one important thing. A ship is a combat unit, consisting of many different parts. If you place only a pilot into the Normandy for special flight tests, then it will not be a test a fully staffed ship. And using Normandy's usual crew for such tests makes sense, because the crew is ready and trained for extremal situations.

But almost none of your squadmates actually do anything on the Normandy. They just wait to get onto missions. They are in no way experts on the ship simply because they were on that ship for some time.
Javik has no idea about the inner workings of an Alliance ship. Having him on that Mass Relay test jump simply makes no sense. James has likely little experience, too.