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[Seival]

CuseGirl wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

wrong, and even the pictorial evidence is grossly written.

Lolllll, "CLASTER channels"? WTF is a claster?

Claster is a "conglomeration" of star systems. Correct me if i'm wrong, but it should be written as a "Claster", but not a "Cluster".

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

wrong, and even the pictorial evidence is grossly written.

Lolllll, "CLASTER channels"? WTF is a claster?

Claster is a "conglomeration" of star systems. Correct me if i'm wrong, but it should be written as a "Claster", but not a "Cluster".

It's a cluster. 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Star_cluster

Corrected. 

[Archontor]

I feel kinda sorry for that Camaltoedi guy from a few weeks ago. He had to be stupid AND racist to get this many people indirectly calling him an idiot.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

wrong, and even the pictorial evidence is grossly written.

Lolllll, "CLASTER channels"? WTF is a claster?

Claster is a "conglomeration" of star systems. Correct me if i'm wrong, but it should be written as a "Claster", but not a "Cluster".

It's a cluster. 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Star_cluster

Corrected. 

Ok...

...I'm sorry, but english is not my main language, so some mistakes are possible

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm surprised how far can a troll thread get.

The internet at its best.

Seival's not a troll.
He just has a very, very strange perception of things. He has posted some refreshingly creative things in the past.

Or maybe I have constructive and positive perception of things? I think I have.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm surprised how far can a troll thread get.

The internet at its best.

Seival's not a troll.
He just has a very, very strange perception of things. He has posted some refreshingly creative things in the past.

Or maybe I have constructive and positive perception of things? I think I have.

No. Your perception is just odd.
Like thinking that DEMs are good literally devices.
It's like you always take the stance that less people agree with.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm surprised how far can a troll thread get.

The internet at its best.

Seival's not a troll.
He just has a very, very strange perception of things. He has posted some refreshingly creative things in the past.

Or maybe I have constructive and positive perception of things? I think I have.

No. Your perception is just odd.
Like thinking that DEMs are good literally devices.
It's like you always take the stance that less people agree with.

Disagree...

...And DEM is really very good literary device. It's a nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending.

Modifié par Seival, 09 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[legion999]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm surprised how far can a troll thread get.

The internet at its best.

Seival's not a troll.
He just has a very, very strange perception of things. He has posted some refreshingly creative things in the past.

Or maybe I have constructive and positive perception of things? I think I have.

No. Your perception is just odd.
Like thinking that DEMs are good literally devices.
It's like you always take the stance that less people agree with.

Disagree...

...And DEM is really very good literary device. It's a nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending.

@bolded No.

And by: "nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending" do you really mean an awful way to make a illogical and completely non-sensical ending?

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

...And DEM is really very good literary device. It's a nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending.

That kind of story telling is bad. If the ending is "completely unpredictable" and isn't connected to the rest of the story in any way it shouldn't even be there. It's what you do when you've written yourself into a situation that you don't know how to fix with the given characters and tools within your story. So you just suddenly invent some new crap. It leaves the reader with an unsatisfied feeling as none of the given characters and rules of the setting helped resolving the situation.
Seriously. Just ask anybody who knows anything about literature.

[Seival]

legion999 wrote...

@bolded No.

And by: "nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending" do you really mean an awful way to make a illogical and completely non-sensical ending?

ME3 Ending is logical, and has no "plot-holes" as many people believe... I also didn't understand the ending right away. The ending just needs more time to be processed. I'm sure that if you will want to understand it, you will. And EC will not be required for that... But since EC will be released, you can just wait and see detailed version of the ending.

...No offense.

Modifié par Seival, 09 juin 2012 - 11:21 .

[The Angry One]

Seival wrote...

legion999 wrote...

@bolded No.

And by: "nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending" do you really mean an awful way to make a illogical and completely non-sensical ending?

ME3 Ending is logical, and has no "plot-holes" as many people believe... I also didn't understand the ending right away. The ending just needs more time to be processed. I'm sure that if you will want to understand it, you will. And EC will not be required for that... But since EC will be released, you can just wait and see detailed version of the ending.

...No offense.

Okay. Seriously. You want to make up your own ending in your head?
Go right ahead, more power to you.

But the minute you start presenting your headcanon as fact and claiming the ending is logical and your fanfiction is how you "get it" I will point and laugh at you.

/point

/laugh

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

ME3 Ending is logical,

Catalyst presents logical fallacy.

Seival is proven wrong. 

[legion999]

Seival wrote...

legion999 wrote...

@bolded No.

And by: "nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending" do you really mean an awful way to make a illogical and completely non-sensical ending?

ME3 Ending is logical, and has no "plot-holes" as many people believe... I also didn't understand the ending right away. The ending just needs more time to be processed. I'm sure that if you will want to understand it, you will. And EC will not be required for that... But since EC will be released, you can just wait and see detailed version of the ending.

...No offense.

No it isn't, it has at least a dozen of them and for the thousandth time this is not an issue of not understanding. I refute your second point with the fact that I didn't believe the ending would be horrendous going in. Again this is not an issue of not wanting or not being able to understand. And I doubt Bioware's ability but we shall see.

[Taboo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

ME3 Ending is logical,

Catalyst presents logical fallacy.

Seival is proven wrong. 

More specifically, a logical fallacy known as an appeal to probability.

thread/

[Seival]

The Angry One wrote...

Seival wrote...

legion999 wrote...

@bolded No.

And by: "nice way to make an instructive and completely unpredictable ending" do you really mean an awful way to make a illogical and completely non-sensical ending?

ME3 Ending is logical, and has no "plot-holes" as many people believe... I also didn't understand the ending right away. The ending just needs more time to be processed. I'm sure that if you will want to understand it, you will. And EC will not be required for that... But since EC will be released, you can just wait and see detailed version of the ending.

...No offense.

Okay. Seriously. You want to make up your own ending in your head?
Go right ahead, more power to you.

But the minute you start presenting your headcanon as fact and claiming the ending is logical and your fanfiction is how you "get it" I will point and laugh at you.

/point

/laugh

I just presented my theory, and showed some support to BioWare. This thread is not a suggestion, and never was. This is just what I think BioWare meant by the Normandy Crash scene.

...I already understood that you are angry on anything that can support BioWare's work. You don't really need to repeat this again and again in each and every thread... No offense.

[The Angry One]

Seival wrote...

I just presented my theory, and showed some support to BioWare. This thread is not a suggestion, and never was. This is just what I think BioWare meant by the Normandy Crash scene.

...I already understood that you are angry on anything that can support BioWare's work. You don't really need to repeat this again and again in each and every thread... No offense.

That's not the problem, however outlandish a theory is.
The problem is when you start going on about how the ending is logical, it's just hard to understand and how you get what others don't.

[SackofCat]

Seival,
It might be a good idea to stick to discussing this scene (Normandy crash) of the ending only since talking about anything else will make it much harder to return to this subject. Many people have strong feelings and thoughts about the entire ending that are difficult to ignore. Sticking to just this scene may turn out to be more constructive.

I think this scene in particular is a good topic of discussion because very few people have been able to make sense of it in a logical or even hopeful way. Even though I have some problems with this scene, as well as your interpretation, I am open to the possibility that, through our discussion, I will find a better explanation than what I have come up with until now.

Sauruz,
I think it would actually mean that unless he is frightened or anxious, Joker is in a constant state of arousal. Do any of the other disembarking squadmates have similar symptoms following the synthesis ending?

[Seival]

Agree. We should discuss exactly the Normandy crash scene in this topic. That's why it was created after all.

[wh00ley 06]

Sorry if this has been raised before but why wouldn't they just slingshot rocks or Batarians through it to see if it works rather than a high-tech prototype ship full of the people who stopped the Reapers? As punishment for helping Shepard destroy the relays? Even push a dead Reaper through one. And I have no experience in mass relay technology as it doesn't exist, but if I crashed a spaceship at FTL speeds I wouldn't walk out grinning like a cretin.

[Grimwick]

Whooley, good point.
Why on Earth, if this was a test, would Joker be grinning at the failure of the test? 

1) He almost died.
2) It failed.
3) He's stranded.

Speculations, anyone?

Modifié par Grimwick, 10 juin 2012 - 11:12 .

[Seival]

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Sorry if this has been raised before but why wouldn't they just slingshot rocks or Batarians through it to see if it works rather than a high-tech prototype ship full of the people who stopped the Reapers? As punishment for helping Shepard destroy the relays? Even push a dead Reaper through one. And I have no experience in mass relay technology as it doesn't exist, but if I crashed a spaceship at FTL speeds I wouldn't walk out grinning like a cretin.

Yes, It was actually rised here many times:

(1) There were definitely some tests with empty ships prior to full-staffed tests.
(2) Full-staffed tests are also very important. A lot of them in fact.
(3) Normandy and its crew could perform the very first full-staffed flight test.
(4) Normandy itself and its usual crew are ready to extremal situations more then anyone else.
(5) They obviously could volunteer for such an important task.

...Please, do not treat Normandy crew like some kind of "Kings" who should never risk their lives performing some dangerous tasks. The hole game is about them risking their lives each and every day.

[Humakt83]

Good stuff.

Approved by space magic support thread.

Modifié par Humakt83, 10 juin 2012 - 11:41 .

[wh00ley 06]

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Sorry if this has been raised before but why wouldn't they just slingshot rocks or Batarians through it to see if it works rather than a high-tech prototype ship full of the people who stopped the Reapers? As punishment for helping Shepard destroy the relays? Even push a dead Reaper through one. And I have no experience in mass relay technology as it doesn't exist, but if I crashed a spaceship at FTL speeds I wouldn't walk out grinning like a cretin.

Yes, It was actually rised here many times:

(1) There were definitely some tests with empty ships prior to full-staffed tests.
(2) Full-staffed tests are also very important. A lot of them in fact.
(3) Normandy and its crew could perform the very first full-staffed flight test.
(4) Normandy itself and its usual crew are ready to extremal situations more then anyone else.
(5) They obviously could volunteer for such an important task.

...Please, do not treat Normandy crew like some kind of "Kings" who should never risk their lives performing some dangerous tasks. The hole game is about them risking their lives each and every day.

I'll make a tree for you. We'll call this the tree of logic. 

Unmanned tests are tried. If they don't work, they obviously won't try manned ships until it works to an acceptable standard. If it does work with unmanned ships and they do try with fully-staffed vessels, and those vessels crash, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. It is a bad thing, and bad things and smiles do not go together. They are not friends.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

...Please, do not treat Normandy crew like some kind of "Kings" who should never risk their lives performing some dangerous tasks. The hole game is about them risking their lives each and every day.

Shall I repeat myself and say we're simply treating them like real persons? With their own personalities and motives?
You're the one who treats them like naive children who drop everything they're doing just so they can get onto a Mass Relay test jump.
Your logic is so terrible and your arguments are so repetitive it's not even funny anymore.
Again, here's a nice list of all the baseless assumptions your theory makes.
With your theory, the Normandy Crash scene makes less sense than it does at the moment.

[CuseGirl]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
It's a cluster. 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Star_cluster

Corrected. 

Ok...

...I'm sorry, but english is not my main language, so some mistakes are possible

Lol...no worries, at least you know enough of English to make mistakes that look correct at first glance. I couldn't diagram anything in spanish or french or whatever....