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[CuseGirl]

As far as this being a test run through a rebuilt Mass Relay? That's not even a theory, it's just a made idea that is wrong. It is clear that the way the ending is setup, we are to believe Joker is flying the Normandy some time AFTER the Crucible fired. Not after a new relay has been designed. Not after some new teleportation technology was designed. After Shepard picked Control/Synthesis/Destroy, Joker is flying the ship to escape the wave of energy. This is not an opinion. It is FACT because it is LITERALLY happening on screen.

Now don't get me wrong, I've made up head canon that fits how I wanted the game end. But that head canon isn't supported by anything seen on screen:

In my version of the ending, there's no Starchild conversation and Shepard uses a console to open the arms and inputs the firing code to be used after the Crucible completes it's docking procedure. Then an emergency pod opens up in the center of the console room, Shepard tries to grab Anderson, but he's dead, so he leaves him, jumps in the escape pod and if your EMS is high enough, the escape pod crashes on Earth and you see Shep breathe.

Days later, he wakes up in a hospital bed with Chakwas/Michel and his LI over him (or if no LI exists, just the doctors). There's some auto-dialogue, then time is pushed forward until Shep can walk around on his own, he's on indefinite medical leave from the Alliance. At this point, he can go around getting the story on what happened to everyone that's worth hearing about.

But as nice as all this sounds, none it actually happened. So I can't go around saying "this is what it is" but it clearly isn't.

[SackofCat]

I was going to say they may have sent a few manned ships after the unmanned ones but before the Normandy. My reason would have been that the first teams haven't returned or reported back and the scientists and technicians don't know why it is not working as intended. However, that would require that the people building the relays not have the access or ability to build QECs. Such a reason, even if the QEC problem was explained, would have required more exposition it this is what they wanted to convey.

Then again, this scene may have come after the first successful tests and this is one where something went wrong. The planet may actually be close to their destination revealing that while humanity and aliens still had work to do, they were getting close to nailing it which is part of why Joker seems relieved after the crash. Still missing a scene or two in my opinion.

Seival,
If what the Normandy is traveling through is a relay, then it's intended destination would logically be another relay built in coordination with the transmitting relay. If the unmanned hips were not arriving at their destinations, then it does seem risky to try a manned mission. While the Normandy crew are not kings, they are heroes and under these circumstances it would seem too dangerous to send them, considering that they didn't even know if the unmanned ships were being violently disintegrated.

They would probably want to be certain that the heroes of the reaper war would at least have a chance to use their talents.

[Seival]

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Sorry if this has been raised before but why wouldn't they just slingshot rocks or Batarians through it to see if it works rather than a high-tech prototype ship full of the people who stopped the Reapers? As punishment for helping Shepard destroy the relays? Even push a dead Reaper through one. And I have no experience in mass relay technology as it doesn't exist, but if I crashed a spaceship at FTL speeds I wouldn't walk out grinning like a cretin.

Yes, It was actually rised here many times:

(1) There were definitely some tests with empty ships prior to full-staffed tests.
(2) Full-staffed tests are also very important. A lot of them in fact.
(3) Normandy and its crew could perform the very first full-staffed flight test.
(4) Normandy itself and its usual crew are ready to extremal situations more then anyone else.
(5) They obviously could volunteer for such an important task.

...Please, do not treat Normandy crew like some kind of "Kings" who should never risk their lives performing some dangerous tasks. The hole game is about them risking their lives each and every day.

I'll make a tree for you. We'll call this the tree of logic. 

Unmanned tests are tried. If they don't work, they obviously won't try manned ships until it works to an acceptable standard. If it does work with unmanned ships and they do try with fully-staffed vessels, and those vessels crash, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. It is a bad thing, and bad things and smiles do not go together. They are not friends.

Unmanned tests' success doesn't guarantee that fully-staffed ships of different type and payload will not have any problems with cluster-to-cluster jumps. Even some successful fully-staffed tests will not guarantee anything. I think galactic civilization will spend tens of years to reactivate/recalibrate all relays, so they will become working as before the war. No way they will avoid alot of full-staffed tests and numerous crashes to achieve this.

[Seival]

SackofCat wrote...

I was going to say they may have sent a few manned ships after the unmanned ones but before the Normandy. My reason would have been that the first teams haven't returned or reported back and the scientists and technicians don't know why it is not working as intended. However, that would require that the people building the relays not have the access or ability to build QECs. Such a reason, even if the QEC problem was explained, would have required more exposition it this is what they wanted to convey.

Then again, this scene may have come after the first successful tests and this is one where something went wrong. The planet may actually be close to their destination revealing that while humanity and aliens still had work to do, they were getting close to nailing it which is part of why Joker seems relieved after the crash. Still missing a scene or two in my opinion.

Seival,
If what the Normandy is traveling through is a relay, then it's intended destination would logically be another relay built in coordination with the transmitting relay. If the unmanned hips were not arriving at their destinations, then it does seem risky to try a manned mission. While the Normandy crew are not kings, they are heroes and under these circumstances it would seem too dangerous to send them, considering that they didn't even know if the unmanned ships were being violently disintegrated.

They would probably want to be certain that the heroes of the reaper war would at least have a chance to use their talents.

The jump part of the scene ended with Normandy's engines devastation. That part of the scene didn't show jump-exit and subsequent planetside crash. So we can't 100% confirm if there was a relay on the other side or not.

I prefer to believe there was a working relay on the other side. And even if the scene showed jump-exit without a relay nearby, that doesn't mean there was no relay on the other side. Jumps through uncalibrated relays might be not as precise, as jumps through completely calibrated relays... The ship could exit the jump miles away from planned destination.

...And I dont think Normandy's crew "was chosen". I believe they volunteered, and were happy to take part in such important task.

[The Angry One]

Seival wrote...

...And I dont think Normandy's crew "was chosen". I believe they volunteered, and were happy to take part in such important task.

Why would Javik volunteer to help these silly primitives fix the relays they blew up out of their own immense stupidity?
Why would they let James aboard volunteer or not?

You're taking grasping at straws to a whole new level.

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Seival wrote...

...And I dont think Normandy's crew "was chosen". I believe they volunteered, and were happy to take part in such important task.

Why would Javik volunteer to help these silly primitives fix the relays they blew up out of their own immense stupidity?
Why would they let James aboard volunteer or not?

You're taking grasping at straws to a whole new level.

Joker also volunteered because he wanted to test how long he could survive on an unnamed planet without meds.

[The Angry One]

Wee Joker's pretty gung ho, I could see him maybe volunteering. I'm not sure they'd let him though, it's not like they'd have a pilot shortage at Sol.

Not sure if this was brought up in all these pages. Probably has but.. the relays aren't destroyed in control. The Normandy still crashes. There goes this entire theory.

[The Night Mammoth]

The Angry One wrote...

Wee Joker's pretty gung ho, I could see him maybe volunteering. I'm not sure they'd let him though, it's not like they'd have a pilot shortage at Sol.

Not sure if this was brought up in all these pages. Probably has but.. the relays aren't destroyed in control. The Normandy still crashes. There goes this entire theory.

The Normandy doesn't need a pilot since EDI has been unshackled. 

And yeah, there goes the entire theory. 

[Joe Del Toro]

Seival wrote...

...And I dont think Normandy's crew "was chosen". I believe they volunteered, and were happy to take part in such important task.

Liara/Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ash: Of course, I'd be happy to be along for the ride on a ship formerly commanded by my dead lover.

[felipejiraya]

This thread gave me cancer.

[The Angry One]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Seival wrote...

...And I dont think Normandy's crew "was chosen". I believe they volunteered, and were happy to take part in such important task.

Liara/Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ash: Of course, I'd be happy to be along for the ride on a ship formerly commanded by my dead lover.

Also apparently the entire surviving ME2 cast are jerk asses for not volunteering.

[Grimwick]

Oh yeah - funny thing this but isn't volunteering the Normandy risking EDI's life too?

That's a ridiculous and unnecessary risk...

[The Angry One]

Grimwick wrote...

Oh yeah - funny thing this but isn't volunteering the Normandy risking EDI's life too?

That's a ridiculous and unnecessary risk...

Heavy risk...

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Oh yeah - funny thing this but isn't volunteering the Normandy risking EDI's life too?

That's a ridiculous and unnecessary risk...

Heavy risk...

With incest as the priiiiiiiiiiiiiize.

[FFZero]

Okay first of all, no offense, but I find this theory completely bat-s**t bonkers. I honestly cannot comprehend the logic you’ve used here...

1.) Why would they use one of the Alliances, possibly the entire galaxies, most advanced ships on a test run, and don’t say ‘well it’s not longer war time so there’s no reason why it wouldn’t be used’ On test runs that could potentially have dire ramifications you wouldn’t use one of your most valuable assets, war time or not.

2.) If (and it’s a bloody big if...) it is a test run, why have a crew at all? An entire ship can be controlled by a VI, or in the case of the Normandy, EDI. This has be proven many times both by in game events and codex entries.

3.) Why didn’t the Normandy crew didn’t evacuate the ship? I’m pretty sure standard procedure in the event that things go completely fubar on a test run of anything, much less a star ship, is to pretty much GTFO asap.

Modifié par FFZero, 10 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[Grimwick]

FFZero wrote...

Okay I first of all, no offense, but I find this theory completely bat-s**t bonkers. I honestly cannot comprehend the logic you’ve used here...

1.) Why would they use one of the Alliances, possibly the entire galaxies, most advanced ships on a test run, and don’t say ‘well it’s not longer war time so there’s no reason why it wouldn’t be used’ On test runs that could potentially have dire ramifications you wouldn’t use one of your most valuable assets, war time or not.

2.) If (and it’s a bloody big if...) it is a test run, why have a crew at all? An entire ship can be controlled by a VI, or in the case of the Normandy, EDI. This has be proven many times both by in game events and codex entries.

3.) Why didn’t the Normandy crew didn’t evacuate the ship? I’m pretty sure standard procedure in the event that things go completely fubar on a test run of anything, much less a star ship, is to pretty much GTFO asap.

Honestly, don't bother.

This thread is making me cry. 

[Seival]

FFZero wrote...

Okay I first of all, no offense, but I find this theory completely bat-s**t bonkers. I honestly cannot comprehend the logic you’ve used here...

1.) Why would they use one of the Alliances, possibly the entire galaxies, most advanced ships on a test run, and don’t say ‘well it’s not longer war time so there’s no reason why it wouldn’t be used’ On test runs that could potentially have dire ramifications you wouldn’t use one of your most valuable assets, war time or not.

2.) If (and it’s a bloody big if...) it is a test run, why have a crew at all? An entire ship can be controlled by a VI, or in the case of the Normandy, EDI. This has be proven many times both by in game events and codex entries.

3.) Why didn’t the Normandy crew didn’t evacuate the ship? I’m pretty sure standard procedure in the event that things go completely fubar on a test run of anything, much less a star ship, is to pretty much GTFO asap.

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Sorry if this has been raised before but why wouldn't they just slingshot rocks or Batarians through it to see if it works rather than a high-tech prototype ship full of the people who stopped the Reapers? As punishment for helping Shepard destroy the relays? Even push a dead Reaper through one. And I have no experience in mass relay technology as it doesn't exist, but if I crashed a spaceship at FTL speeds I wouldn't walk out grinning like a cretin.

Yes, It was actually rised here many times:

(1) There were definitely some tests with empty ships prior to full-staffed tests.
(2) Full-staffed tests are also very important. A lot of them in fact.
(3) Normandy and its crew could perform the very first full-staffed flight test.
(4) Normandy itself and its usual crew are ready to extremal situations more then anyone else.
(5) They obviously could volunteer for such an important task.

...Please, do not treat Normandy crew like some kind of "Kings" who should never risk their lives performing some dangerous tasks. The hole game is about them risking their lives each and every day.

[wh00ley 06]

Ok, you've brushed over the relays not being destroyed in Control so I'll rehash that. THE RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED IN CONTROL.

[M Hedonist]

Seival, you just don't get it.
Of course, we will never be able to prove that your theory is impossible. You've already made 12 completely baseless assumptions, there is virtually nothing from stopping you making even more of them. Your theory has gone off the rails and has taken on a whole new level of grasping at straws that has not been seen on these forums before. Even IT is more coherent than this mess.
There is only one problem with the scene without your theory, and that is Joker fleeing from the battle. With your theory, there are (at least) 12 problems with the scene. It's not even funny anymore.

[Seival]

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Ok, you've brushed over the relays not being destroyed in Control so I'll rehash that. THE RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED IN CONTROL.

They are at least heavily damaged. Watch carefully. Relays clearly lose some pieces during the blue explosion.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Ok, you've brushed over the relays not being destroyed in Control so I'll rehash that. THE RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED IN CONTROL.

They are at least heavily damaged. Watch carefully. Relays clearly lose some pieces during the blue explosion.

But they aren't destroyed.

So why is a test run needed using the galaxy's most advanced war-ship filled with heroes, none of which are actually qualified to be there, required? 

[Grimwick]

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Ok, you've brushed over the relays not being destroyed in Control so I'll rehash that. THE RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED IN CONTROL.

They are at least heavily damaged. Watch carefully. Relays clearly lose some pieces during the blue explosion.

On this I am inclined to agree.

Control relays look just as much destroyed as the other endings. It might simply be the blue colour distorting it slightly so we get a different effect.

*hides away because I just defended this ridiculous idea by a marginal amount* 

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Ok, you've brushed over the relays not being destroyed in Control so I'll rehash that. THE RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED IN CONTROL.

They are at least heavily damaged. Watch carefully. Relays clearly lose some pieces during the blue explosion.

But they aren't destroyed.

So why is a test run needed using the galaxy's most advanced war-ship filled with heroes, none of which are actually qualified to be there, required? 

I don't think that damaged relays will work as intended. Control ending just provides a little faster way to reactivate Mass Relay Network.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

I don't think that damaged relays will work as intended.

Conjecture. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 10 juin 2012 - 08:29 .

[The Angry One]

The relays start to explode in control because of sloppy editing. Really, I've seen fan edits that do a better job of implying the relays survive.