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[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

No, I think that you literally didn't want to understand all my arguments. Why? Because you don't like the scene, and want it to be removed more, then to try to understand it.

BECAUSE IT'S BAD SCENE. 

There's nothing else to understand! Normandy flees without reason, team teleport on board, and it crashes somewhere to strand the crew, leaving at least two people to die. 

It's just stupid. I can understand you're f*cktastically moronic 'theory', how do you think I know it's f*cktastically moronic?

You why you made that post? Probably because you realized you actually don't have any basis for this, and it's not a theory, just nonsense. 

Your arrogance offends me. People disagree, so it means they 'don't want to understand'. No, it means you haven't stumbled upon something brilliant like you thought. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

No, I think that you literally didn't want to understand all my arguments. Why? Because you don't like the scene, and want it to be removed more, then to try to understand it.

BECAUSE IT'S BAD SCENE. 

There's nothing else to understand! Normandy flees without reason, team teleport on board, and it crashes somewhere to strand the crew, leaving at least two people to die. 

It's just stupid. I can understand you're f*cktastically moronic 'theory', how do you think I know it's ****tastically moronic?

You why you made that post? Probably because you realized you actually don't have any basis for this, and it's not a theory, just nonsense. 

You clearly don't want to analize the Normandy crash scene from different points of view. You can think about it only as about a shameless retreat, and thus scene is only insulting you. Try to relax and get a new perspective of the scene, otherwise you will not be able to be any constructive about it.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

You clearly don't want to analize the Normandy crash scene from different points of view.

I do, and have.

Your point of view is stupid. Sorry for not agreeing like a mindless idiot. I have my own opinion, like it or not. 

You can think about it only as about a shameless retreat,

Your arrogance offends me. I don't think about it like that. 

and thus scene is only insulting you.

For various other reasons which I haven't actually disclosed, your arrogant and incorrect pressumptions amuse me. 

Try to relax and get a new perspective of the scene, otherwise you will not be able to be any constructive about it.

*looks around* 

Was I trying to be constructive? 

Nope. I was tearing down a needless show of arrogance and idiocy ie. your nonsense 'theory'. 

If I wanted to be constructive I would detail what reasons I have for wanting it removed. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[Kurremurre]

Seival, from where I'm standing, it looks more like you're the one unwilling to even take the creative process into account. Yes, it would be nice if the scene could be made sense of, but this can only be done if we assume that the developers involved were so incompetent that they couldn't convey the intended meaning with even a shred of clarity. From a narrative point of view, the scene is entirely out of place.

In the end, either interpretation leads to the conclusion that there was a great deal of incompetence involved in the creative process. If you want to ignore this and pretend that the events in the game are somehow coherent and consistent, that's your choice. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously and then try to imply that you're the reasonable one.

[MeldarthX]

MarchWaltz wrote...

How do you explain the teleporting squaddies? Or Edi stepping out in the destroy ending?

*Coughs* Casper the Harby ghost is lieing?  Noooo he wouldn't do that.......*coughs again* It was a dream.......and we're left with a cliff hanger.....

[Aetas Mutuo]

Kurremurre wrote...

Seival, from where I'm standing, it looks more like you're the one unwilling to even take the creative process into account. Yes, it would be nice if the scene could be made sense of, but this can only be done if we assume that the developers involved were so incompetent that they couldn't convey the intended meaning with even a shred of clarity. From a narrative point of view, the scene is entirely out of place.

In the end, either interpretation leads to the conclusion that there was a great deal of incompetence involved in the creative process. If you want to ignore this and pretend that the events in the game are somehow coherent and consistent, that's your choice. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously and then try to imply that you're the reasonable one.

Very well said. That is really the crux of the issue.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

That's why it called a theory. I have my own vision of the scene, and I share it with the others. I'm not here to tell everyone that "I know the final truth"

This seriously made me laugh out loud.
If this thread is just about a theory, why is the thread title called "It makes sense [Normand crash scene support thread]"? That implies that you have found out how the scene makes sense. But all you found is a theory that makes the scene even more nonsensical than it was before.

Seival wrote...

No, I think that you literally didn't want to understand all my arguments.

Oh, I understand all of your arguments. None of them are based on evidence.

[Seival]

Kurremurre wrote...

Seival, from where I'm standing, it looks more like you're the one unwilling to even take the creative process into account. Yes, it would be nice if the scene could be made sense of, but this can only be done if we assume that the developers involved were so incompetent that they couldn't convey the intended meaning with even a shred of clarity. From a narrative point of view, the scene is entirely out of place.

In the end, either interpretation leads to the conclusion that there was a great deal of incompetence involved in the creative process. If you want to ignore this and pretend that the events in the game are somehow coherent and consistent, that's your choice. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously and then try to imply that you're the reasonable one.

The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers were just "incompetent". It's so much easier to blame someone for "bad writing", than try to relax and analize.

Modifié par Seival, 11 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers were just "incompetent". It's so much easier to blame someone for "bad writing", than try to relax and analize.

Occam's Razor then. 

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

How has this thread reached 30 pages? How could people spend so much time discussing a theory that is so clearly insane?

*suddenly remembers IT*

Never mind.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

What exactly are you supporting?


Edit: Had to read page 2 to get an idea of it, you're crazy OP.

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 11 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

How has this thread reached 30 pages? How could people spend so much time discussing a theory that is so clearly insane?

*suddenly remembers IT*

Never mind.

It's not discussing it, really, it's lots of pages of misguided people telling the OP he is wrong. 

I'm one of them. 

[iorveth1271]

This thread is still page one?

Troll did a good job.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers were just "incompetent". It's so much easier to blame someone for "bad writing", than try to relax and analize.

Most people got tired of speculating after three months.
There is a virtually endless amount of possible explanations for everything at the endings. The fact that almot everything about the endings must be solved through own conjecture shows how incompetent the writers were. Not even the consequences of the endings are clear. Knowing one possible answer really doesn't get you any further.
Especially if the answer is as improbable as the one you're proposing. Again, you're refusing to make any kind of argument why your theory is more probable than any other theory. While people in this thread have brought up the many, many plot holes your theory has of which none you can answer with any kind of ingame evidence or proof.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

iorveth1271 wrote...

This thread is still page one?

Troll did a good job.

I think this page is only 0

[Aetas Mutuo]

Seival wrote...

Kurremurre wrote...

Seival, from where I'm standing, it looks more like you're the one unwilling to even take the creative process into account. Yes, it would be nice if the scene could be made sense of, but this can only be done if we assume that the developers involved were so incompetent that they couldn't convey the intended meaning with even a shred of clarity. From a narrative point of view, the scene is entirely out of place.

In the end, either interpretation leads to the conclusion that there was a great deal of incompetence involved in the creative process. If you want to ignore this and pretend that the events in the game are somehow coherent and consistent, that's your choice. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously and then try to imply that you're the reasonable one.

The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers were just "incompetent". It's so much easier to blame someone for "bad writing", than try to relax and analize.

You have a type of fanaticism and aversion to logic that I usually only see in religious circles. So deeply invested in your idea that any reasonable challenge of your "theory" is only met with deepening conviction. The more you are presented with facts and information that challenge you, the more you want to scream that you are right. All in the name of "New Ideas."

Maybe you should 'relax' and ponder the idea of why creative speculation is a ill conceived replacement to a incomplete or illogical narrative.

Modifié par Aetas Mutuo, 11 juin 2012 - 05:00 .

[Kem1995]

Seival wrote...

No, I think that you literally didn't want to understand all my arguments. Why? Because you don't like the scene, and want it to be removed more, then to try to understand it.

Your arguements you say? I remember earlier me and someone else pointed out where the green colour explosion came from (if it was a test run) and all you had to say was, there MAY be a green colored relay? Really? At the end of the trilogy, we have finished the game and the only relays there are is blue ones, and one red one which focussed mainly on the entirety of a game. If there was a green relay, it would not be hidden, it would be publicly talked about

[Kurremurre]

Seival wrote...

Kurremurre wrote...

Seival, from where I'm standing, it looks more like you're the one unwilling to even take the creative process into account. Yes, it would be nice if the scene could be made sense of, but this can only be done if we assume that the developers involved were so incompetent that they couldn't convey the intended meaning with even a shred of clarity. From a narrative point of view, the scene is entirely out of place.

In the end, either interpretation leads to the conclusion that there was a great deal of incompetence involved in the creative process. If you want to ignore this and pretend that the events in the game are somehow coherent and consistent, that's your choice. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously and then try to imply that you're the reasonable one.

The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers were just "incompetent". It's so much easier to blame someone for "bad writing", than try to relax and analize.

As far as I've been able to tell, you're right: there are those that are so intent on blaming BioWare for their disappointment that they won't even listen to those who try to make sense of it. The problem I see is that you seem to have gone the other way entirely, shutting and locking that door. Ruling out the possibility of incompetence on BioWare's part on the outset is equally erroneous.

The simple truth is this: if you take the storytellers and their storytelling techniques themselves into account, the simplest explanation is that the Normandy crash is concurrent with the rest of the ending. Any other interpretation raises more questions than it answers.

Furthermore, I could just as easily say something similar about your position. Observe:

"The problem is exactly in that some players just block their own attempts to try to understand with thinking that the writers couldn't possibly mess up. It's so much easier to deny the possibility of bad writing, than try to relax and let it go."

[Seival]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

How has this thread reached 30 pages? How could people spend so much time discussing a theory that is so clearly insane?

*suddenly remembers IT*

Never mind.

Interesting, but  BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option. And they said nothing about the Normandy crash scene... Moreover, they didn't say anything about removing some particular parts of the ending. So, the scene will remain in the game most likely. You should prepare yourself for that. And the best way to do so is to try to understand this scene.

Modifié par Seival, 11 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[Kem1995]

Seival wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

How has this thread reached 30 pages? How could people spend so much time discussing a theory that is so clearly insane?

*suddenly remembers IT*

Never mind.

Interesting, but  BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option. And they said nothing about the Normandy crash scene... Moreover, they didn't say anything about removing some particular parts of the ending. So, the scene will remain in the game most likely. You should prepare yourself for that. And the best way to do so - is to try to understand this scene.

They never said it's not an option, they just gave a very vauge answer that dismissed the idea that they intentionally planned the IT theory. They could end up using it, we won't know until the DLC comes out.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

How has this thread reached 30 pages? How could people spend so much time discussing a theory that is so clearly insane?

*suddenly remembers IT*

Never mind.

Interesting, but  BioWare already stated that "IT" is not an option. And they said nothing about the Normandy crash scene... Moreover, they didn't say anything about removing some particular parts of the ending. So, the scene will remain in the game most likely. You should prepare yourself for that. And the best way to do so is to try to understand this scene.

Like every other post you write, you have literally no piece of proof or evidence to prove anything you're saying.
It's getting boring, Seival. It was funny the first dozen times you did it, but now you're just spreading false information.
Other than that they wouldn't remove scenes. No sh*t, Sherlock.

Modifié par Sauruz, 11 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[Kem1995]

And of course the scene is going to stay in the game, its an EXTENDED CUT DLC. They even said their going to be, you geussed it, EXTENDING on the ending we already have. That means evreything stays, but we get more.

I'd like to quote AngryJoe here, there basically explaining why there sh*t stinks.

[Ryuukishi]

Or... This is actually a scene from a movie, "The Adventures of the Normandy." It takes place 10 years after the end of the game. They found actors who look JUST LIKE the actual crew members. They took some liberties with the script though. Which is why the scene doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the game, because we're watching part of a fictionalized movie version, being projected on a movie screen years later.

Yeah, there's absolutely no in-game evidence to support any of that. But it makes exactly as much sense as the theory in the OP.

[The Night Mammoth]

Ryuukishi wrote...

Or... This is actually a scene from a movie, "The Adventures of the Normandy." It takes place 10 years after the end of the game. They found actors who look JUST LIKE the actual crew members. They took some liberties with the script though. Which is why the scene doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the game, because we're watching part of a fictionalized movie version, being projected on a movie screen years later.

Yeah, there's absolutely no in-game evidence to support any of that. But it makes exactly as much sense as the theory in the OP.

I support this theory. 

[Daniel_N7]

This thread is beyond my IQ range.